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Sigma sd Quattro H

biglouis

Well-known member
Prediction & porn -



That's sort-of what I meant by my comment 'be careful what you wish for' - Sigma have listened to feedback from customers (possibly even this forum) and produced a mirrorless interchangeable camera with inbuilt EVF, just like we dreamed of.

But we weren't specific enough about size!

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Malina DZ

Member
SA-only lenses was a deal-breaker for me when I was considering Foveon in form of SD1M. Quattro sensor, though in APS-H size, makes it even less appealing. No in-body stabilization to help us with poor high iso performance? C'mon. I can understand the brand's desire to feature an updated body in Sigma lens ads, but I see nothing valuable in this proposition to photographers who don't own SA-mount lenses and have no desire to. Interesting body design though. I sincerely wish Sigma good luck with sales as I do like the brand.
 

iiiNelson

Well-known member
SA-only lenses was a deal-breaker for me when I was considering Foveon in form of SD1M. Quattro sensor, though in APS-H size, makes it even less appealing. No in-body stabilization to help us with poor high iso performance? C'mon. I can understand the brand's desire to feature an updated body in Sigma lens ads, but I see nothing valuable in this proposition to photographers who don't own SA-mount lenses and have no desire to. Interesting body design though. I sincerely wish Sigma good luck with sales as I do like the brand.
I agree that this camera in E-mount with the option of having the MC-11 adapter included would've been more interesting to me. It would make more sense for Sigma to stick to making lenses and developing sensors for others than to continue making cameras.
 

etrigan63

Active member
I can only guess at this, but maybe the reason for no IBIS is because they have 15 lenses with OS (Optical Stabilization). This is because they sell lots of lenses to Canon and Nikon shooters who do not have IBIS either. Again, just a guess.

But, as I mentioned before, Sigma needs to get on the Adobe/Phase One bandwagon and become supported by software that professionals use if they want to be taken seriously.

I was playing around with Camerasize and the Leica SL with the 50mm is actually smaller than the sd Quattro H + 50mm f/1.4 Art lens!

Compact Camera Meter
 

UHDR

New member
From my observation, i feel sigma is pitching this as an alterative to medium format system. That explains the low iso, no OS approach. Plus the new 50-100mm f1.8 on aps-H (assuming crop 1.3) gives 80-130mm pretty much has studio portrait written all over it.
 
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swartzfeger

New member
wow....my pentax k-1 money suddenly got frozen!!
Yep, same here! Here's an excerpt of what I just posted at the 'other' forum:

D750 owner and long time Nikon user here... not too deep in Nikkor glass. The 50 1.4G, the 24-120, and two old manual lenses I grabbed from KEH. I really do love my D750 and have had a blast shooting with it.

Increasingly, I was getting frustrated by the output. Don't ask me how or why, but I started to get into shooting church artwork and iconography. Guess I walked into a dark church one day to test my D750's low light focusing and ISO, grabbed some incredible shots and got hooked. But again, was becoming increasingly more particular as I improved my technique and peeped the final output.

Which led me to Sigma, which I had flirted with the last few years.

After doing the Merrill or Quattro tango for awhile, I settled on the DP2Q. And I love it. I knew the caveats going -- SPP is hog slow, don't shoot over ISO 100, tripod, no OVF, etc. I'm a tripod shooter anyway, have a fast MBP, so the caveats didn't scare me away. I've been loving my DP2Q the last few months and haven't touched my Nikon.

But the Quattro's shortcomings have irked me, which are different than the D750's. The recent Quattro firmware update improved things, but it's left me wanting a better, more robust solution than the Quattros... even though I've been VERY tempted, I've held off on getting a DP0Q.

So... here comes the Pentax K-1 a few days back and I think perfect, my wait is over. K-1 it is!

And now this... damn you, Sigma. Seriously. I was going to invest in some Art lenses for my Nikon anyway, so buying some Sigma glass isn't a downside for me.

My pennies were already saved for a K-1, thinking Sigma had nothing to offer. Boy, was I wrong.

I have a lot of long, hard thinking to do. I'm probably leaning Quattro-H 51%/49% vs the K-1 at this point. I really want Pentax's pixel shift and in-body shake reduction, but their lens lineup concerns me.

Probably the only thing keeping me from buying the Q-H is price. If it's under $2000 USD, I'm in. If it's more, then I'll go K-1. My concern, based on their history, is that Sigma will price this too high. I hope they have the balls to play rough with Pentax on price.
 

Michiel Schierbeek

Well-known member
Yes, the price for the H should be just under € 2000 to be a serious contender otherwise it will have the same selling problem as the SD1 had.
 

ptomsu

Workshop Member
After having seen the size comparisons, I am definitely out.

This thing is even larger than the Leica SL ...
 

Hulyss Bowman

Active member
After having seen the size comparisons, I am definitely out.

This thing is even larger than the Leica SL ...
This is understandable. The only serious parameter who can sold me will be the rendering of the H. If it is not mesmerizing then I'll pass too. I think it is a transitional camera. The next DPs might be APS-H too and in this case not need to invest into lenses.
 

The Ute

Well-known member
This is an exciting development.
Always been in love w Foveon image quality (the Merrill version).
Some of the finest captures I have ever taken were made w these cameras.
The combination of either the 18-35 Art or 24 Art plus the H might work extremely well together for Landscape work.
They've added an EVF which was a huge complaint.
I anxiously await the pricing info. hoping as others do that it comes in under 2K.
The focus stacking option should take care of dynamic range issues.
I have a really fast computer so I don't care about file size although I hope the new version of SPP is greatly improved and they get w the program on w Adobe, etc.
Since my move away from the Sigmas I have become invested in the latest Sony gear.
I would gladly give up my RX1R for the H if it checks out.
 

etrigan63

Active member
They stole at least one good idea from Sony: The battery grip adds two batteries in addition to the internal one for three batteries in total.

This accessory boosts the battery capacity of the camera by holding up to two dedicated batteries. In combination with the battery inside the camera, this accessory makes it possible to enjoy up to 200% more shooting time. Offering outstanding usability in both the horizontal and vertical positions, the grip incorporates an ON/OFF button, two command dials, an AF/AEL button, and a FUNC button. It is designed for an exceptionally comfortable grip and is dust-proof and splash-proof.
This is how the A99 does it.
 

retow

Member
This is understandable. The only serious parameter who can sold me will be the rendering of the H. If it is not mesmerizing then I'll pass too. I think it is a transitional camera. The next DPs might be APS-H too and in this case not need to invest into lenses.
Let`s hope Sigma listens and is already working on DPs with APS-H sensor and EVF.
 

ggibson

Well-known member
One thing that concerned me about the H model was how fast the camera could handle those even larger files, but it appears Sigma has beefed up this model a bit:

In addition, by using two separate TRUE III engines, the camera is able to process data from the Foveon X3 Quattro direct image sensor at extremely high speed.
The DDR III high-speed, high-volume memory is approximately twice the capacity of that of the SIGMA dp Quattro.
So 2 CPUs and double the buffer should help quite a bit. The DP2 Q in my experience was reasonably responsive to handle, but previewing images took a while and the camera was obviously using a huge buffer already to process its large files.

On the thought of a new "DPs" or DP H" with a larger sensor, I would love to see a new version. Just redesign the thing so it more resembles the old DP lineup, and not this weird J-shape that they've concocted. Oh, and hopefully they tack on that 30/1.4 lens while they're at it. :grin:
 

AndyPtak

Member
I must admit that if this was a real Merrill I'd be all over it, warts and all, but as a Quattro??

I'll have to think long and hard and see quite a few samples first.
 

Michiel Schierbeek

Well-known member
Still curious which zoomlenses will cover the H sensor. Sigma has some interesting new APC size zoomlenses, but do they cover the H sensor!
 
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