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Colour accuracy
- Thread starter Will
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. . . . and there's me, trying to protect you.
I'm very disappointed in you cam . . . very disappointed
but i dubbed you out of love...
helenhill
Senior Member
Hi BRIAN
Just some Visual Thoughts behind your Great Work.....
I thought in the 'TULIP ' series the Dp1 Shot Looked Fantastic
however only you would know which was the most dead on in HUE .re: the tulip
The bamboo Fence certainly did NOT fare well with the olympus but came to Life in definition with the DP1
As for the 'Countryside Scene' Series
the Oly looked 'Nice' /Beautiful but Ordinary
whereas the second shot /DP1 was Fantastic /that edge of surreal/hint of Drama
Thank You for keen Eye & taking the Time to Post these cameras
TRES FUN !!
Cheers ! :grin:Helen
Just some Visual Thoughts behind your Great Work.....
I thought in the 'TULIP ' series the Dp1 Shot Looked Fantastic
however only you would know which was the most dead on in HUE .re: the tulip
The bamboo Fence certainly did NOT fare well with the olympus but came to Life in definition with the DP1
As for the 'Countryside Scene' Series
the Oly looked 'Nice' /Beautiful but Ordinary
whereas the second shot /DP1 was Fantastic /that edge of surreal/hint of Drama
Thank You for keen Eye & taking the Time to Post these cameras
TRES FUN !!
Cheers ! :grin:Helen
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helenhill
Senior Member
THANKS WILL
for the Correction /changed the above name
Long Day and delirium has set in......
Best - H
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Brian Mosley
New member
Hi Helen, I think the Oly is generally more accurate with colours but the DP1 has more latitude for pushing around in PP - I find myself going for the drama with the DP1 more, whereas the Oly's are more subtle and naturally beautiful.
The fence was affected by the difference in apertures (sorry, these were snapshots)
Thank you for commenting
Kind Regards
Brian
The fence was affected by the difference in apertures (sorry, these were snapshots)
Thank you for commenting
Kind Regards
Brian
Brian Mosley
New member
OK, I popped out again with the Olympus E-420, E-400 and DP1 just now... here's another set - the Olympus cameras just on Auto W/B, the DP1 on Sunlight (as recommended by experienced Sigma users)
Olympus E-400
1/800s f/4.0 at 12.0mm iso100
Olympus E-420
1/800s f/4.0 at 14.0mm iso100
Sigma DP1
The Sigma is great... provided you don't shoot it side by side with an Olympus for Colour
Seriously, I have a way to go yet before I'm happy with my colour management for the Sigma DP1.
Kind Regards
Brian
Olympus E-400
1/800s f/4.0 at 12.0mm iso100
Olympus E-420
1/800s f/4.0 at 14.0mm iso100
Sigma DP1
The Sigma is great... provided you don't shoot it side by side with an Olympus for Colour
Seriously, I have a way to go yet before I'm happy with my colour management for the Sigma DP1.
Kind Regards
Brian
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Brian,The Sigma is great... provided you don't shoot it side by side with an Olympus for Colour
Seriously, I have a way to go yet before I'm happy with my colour management for the Sigma DP1.
i often shoot in Sunlight and then tame down the yellow cast with CS3's AutoColor (which i then fade to the appropriate level -- by eye) or pull down/up the individual levels in Hue/Saturation and can damned near the "natural" look (not that i'm really ever after that
). it's minor tweaking and i think you'd be happy with it.speaking of which, when are you going to send the sun my way? i'm off to check out the R-D1S and it's pissing -- again!
jonoslack
Active member
The Sigma is great... provided you don't shoot it side by side with an Olympus for Colour
Seriously, I have a way to go yet before I'm happy with my colour management for the Sigma DP1.
Kind Regards
Brian
Hi Brian
That's the problem stepping away from Olympus - I'd stopped thinking about colour accuracy since the E1. Nothing else is the same.
I've stopped using AWB with the D3 when outdoors - it does wierd things which seem very difficult to correct, and it's always too warm anyway. Much easier to shoot in Daylight - at least they're all wrong the same way then!
At least we have good enough tools to put it right these days.
I think the DP1 looks fascinating, but I won't touch anything which doesn't work in Aperture. Mind you, can you convert the files to .dng in the Adobe converter?
Brian Mosley
New member
Hi Jono,
the DP1 is definitely worth adding to your arsenal in due course - when 3rd party RAW support arrives (nope, no .dng conversion available) and the price drops below £350
In the meantime, I'm happy to be the crash test dummy for you, this time
By the way, I *very* nearly bought a D3 + 14-24mm f2.8 a couple of days ago (saw the dpreview 30% discount tip) - but pulled back from the brink, when I considered the long term view... it would be just as much of a niche camera as the DP1 for me.
There's just nothing to compete with 4/3rds for the long term serious photographer imho... when you consider the time & expense of collecting the right glass - the sensors will catch up with FF performance (but with dust protection that works!)
I didn't really feel like lugging something the size of a car battery around again either!:ROTFL:
On the bright side, I felt great - saved myself a £3000 expense
Kind Regards
Brian
the DP1 is definitely worth adding to your arsenal in due course - when 3rd party RAW support arrives (nope, no .dng conversion available) and the price drops below £350
In the meantime, I'm happy to be the crash test dummy for you, this time
By the way, I *very* nearly bought a D3 + 14-24mm f2.8 a couple of days ago (saw the dpreview 30% discount tip) - but pulled back from the brink, when I considered the long term view... it would be just as much of a niche camera as the DP1 for me.
There's just nothing to compete with 4/3rds for the long term serious photographer imho... when you consider the time & expense of collecting the right glass - the sensors will catch up with FF performance (but with dust protection that works!)
I didn't really feel like lugging something the size of a car battery around again either!:ROTFL:
On the bright side, I felt great - saved myself a £3000 expense
Kind Regards
Brian
jonoslack
Active member
Well - I've 'standardised' on Aperture now - having spent the last two years fiddling about. Which means no Aperture, no Camera as far as I'm concerned. Actually, I don't mind as long as the RAW files can be converted to DNG as Aperture now does a grand job with standard dng files.Hi Jono,
the DP1 is definitely worth adding to your arsenal in due course - when 3rd party RAW support arrives (nope, no .dng conversion available) and the price drops below £350
In the meantime, I'm happy to be the crash test dummy for you, this time
I'm still smarting a little from that offer - did anyone actually get one from them? (that price was far below cost). It would have been worth my while driving there - but I'd already shelled out.
What tipped me over the edge was the D3x prospect and those two new lenses - the lenses really are very good. I have some wedding stuff to do this summer, and the low light capabilities will do that well. Assuming there is a D3x in the autumn (or even better, a D10 with the same sensor as the D3x in a case the size of the D300); then I'll sell the D3 and get that.
I was going to get a Mamiya AF with a ZD back (like Guy), but I realised that although I'd like MF resolution, it just wouldn't suit my style of shooting.
Well, if Olympus can make 4/3 sensors work like FF, then I'd guess that Nikon will be able to make dust protection that works
Still, I take your point and don't disagree (My Olympus stuff isn't going anywhere).
Actually, I don't mind that so much - what I DO mind is how people respond when you point a car battery at them - we had a dinner party the other night, and as usual I was allowed the camera for 1 minute and 15 seconds. I grabbed the D3 first, and everyone basically hid under the table . . . took the M8 and everyone relaxed and forgot about me.
Now you can afford an M8 :ROTFL::ROTFL:On the bright side, I felt great - saved myself a £3000 expense
Brian Mosley
New member
Hmmm... I'm not sure that I could get used to the rangefinder - I do like TTL OVF, and AF being available - even if I don't always use them!
Has your E-420 arrived yet Jono? I'm keen to see some shots from the funkmaster(tm)
Kind Regards
Brian
Brian Mosley
New member
Hi Will, Carl Rytterfalk has a fantastic Sigma promotional site here :
http://www.rytterfalk.com/2008/04/07/new-spp-due-soon-first-preview/#more-410
If he can't convince you to upgrade, there's no hope! lol
Kind Regards
Brian
http://www.rytterfalk.com/2008/04/07/new-spp-due-soon-first-preview/#more-410
If he can't convince you to upgrade, there's no hope! lol
Kind Regards
Brian
Brian Mosley
New member
Cam, while you're waiting for the sun, would you mind if I sent you the X3F file... having a go at bringing these reds under control? I'd love to see what you can do?Brian,
i often shoot in Sunlight and then tame down the yellow cast with CS3's AutoColor (which i then fade to the appropriate level -- by eye) or pull down/up the individual levels in Hue/Saturation and can damned near the "natural" look (not that i'm really ever after that
Kind Regards
Brian
no problemo.
two quick notes before i dash off (the rain has let up a bit): first, it seems you shot this Shade rather than Sunlight (at least the file i got). secondly, a quick change to Auto WB (yes, using it after) (on Auto setting for base) without doing much else brings it damned close to the Oly colours. (sending this FYI for you try in case i'm longer than expected).
ta.
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Brian Mosley
New member
Hi cam,
I took the shot in Sunlight white balance... the file I sent you had been set to shade as I wrestled to get something like the red tulips which came straight out of Auto white balance on the Oly cams.
Please post some red tulips from the DP1, and the settings you used! I'm eager to get to the bottom of this!
Kind Regards
Brian
I took the shot in Sunlight white balance... the file I sent you had been set to shade as I wrestled to get something like the red tulips which came straight out of Auto white balance on the Oly cams.
Please post some red tulips from the DP1, and the settings you used! I'm eager to get to the bottom of this!
Kind Regards
Brian
in my brief play with the file, this was my conclusion.
it leaned toward cyan at the expense of the reds.
it leaned toward magenta at the expense of the greens.
and it slightly leaned toward blue at the expense of the yellows
there was a bit of this in everything, to a varying degree -- shadows, midtones, and highlights.. this can NOT be fixed in SPP. it needs Photoshop or the like for more advanced colour balance capabilities than what SPP can give you.
that's not to say that i couldn't make a perfectly lovely image out of what you gave me. but if the Oly was spot on and you're after what you saw, it will take more than a little bit of grunt work.
i will try again tomorrow to get it close (i had an emotional day today). i am speaking as an anal graphic designer here, not as a photographer, in the above comments. in many ways, i preferred what i was getting from the file vs. you Oly example. but that's a personal preference, not what the client wanted
it leaned toward cyan at the expense of the reds.
it leaned toward magenta at the expense of the greens.
and it slightly leaned toward blue at the expense of the yellows
there was a bit of this in everything, to a varying degree -- shadows, midtones, and highlights.. this can NOT be fixed in SPP. it needs Photoshop or the like for more advanced colour balance capabilities than what SPP can give you.
that's not to say that i couldn't make a perfectly lovely image out of what you gave me. but if the Oly was spot on and you're after what you saw, it will take more than a little bit of grunt work.
i will try again tomorrow to get it close (i had an emotional day today). i am speaking as an anal graphic designer here, not as a photographer, in the above comments. in many ways, i preferred what i was getting from the file vs. you Oly example. but that's a personal preference, not what the client wanted