Don't get it, what on earth does this camera have to justify that price? The competition are light years ahead on features at that price range and have true 14 megapixels worth of detail.
I am not a painter, nor an artist. Therefore I can see straight, and that may be my undoing. - Alfred Stieglitz
There are some samples from the SD15 posted on the Sigma site here http://www.sigma-sd.com/SD15/sample-photo/index.html
Have a look at this particular one http://www.sigma-sd.com/SD15/sample-...6_SDIM2689.jpg
IMO this is exceptional DR range from a digital camera, no HDR here. I think this camera has a niche that only it occupies.
Should work fine with R lenses. Pity that Foveon doesn't make a FF sensor.
DR or whatever can be great, issue is the files are not easily to be handled. Not like all the other DSLRs.
Tried the DP2 and was NOT satisfied. And I am not even talking about speed and features, but more about IQ.
Maybe some people see some magic I cannot see
I recently bought a dp1s for not much money. For a small camera, living with its peculiarities, it was probably worth buying. No other camera at that size comes near it (dp2 excepted) wrt iq, afaik.
However, for the D15 slr - it is far too pricey for the performance - 3pfs, (then wait how long for it to write to sd card?), few af points, etc., imho. If you cut through the marketing garbage, you find the performance/specification is very poor - probably equivalent to bottom end of canon slr from 5 or 6 years ago - but I expect the build quality may be better ) The sensor is the same size as the dp2, just 2mm wider than a four thirds camera. If iq is important, then it would be better to buy a second hand Canon 5d, and that will take a far wider range of lenses than the Sigma. However, the actual D15 street price may be less than the £899, but probably not much.
There are not many raw converters that handle the foveon sensors, and for me, the Sigma software - pp4 - does not run properly under windows xp, and although I have been in virtually daily contact with Sigma Japan, they have not yet sorted it out.
The foveon sensor has special characteristics, which the average consumer probably does not appreciate. I think Sigma should not bother with a below average slr, but do something more specialised.
AND - the images are 5MP - PERIOD. Whatever is calculated out of that is done in SW. Can do the same with any other DSLR.
AND - please try the IQ of a D700 or D3S or 5D2 - for me the outcome is far superior. And these RAW converters are supported by all available SW packages on the market, of course also by the top ones like Aperture, Lightroom and C1.
here's the amazon price, which they guarantee. looks like they expect it soon.
if the euro keeps dropping, they'll end up about the same!
yes, it would be interesting to try r lenses on it.
i'm the first to admit sigma faults, however there can be something endearing about them.
the dp sigma forum full of info, the pains and pleasures.
i enjoy using the dp's more than my other cameras, including 5 dslrs with 2 5d's. i'm finding simplicity works better for me. i don't get sidetracked by equipment fever, which i've had for most of the past 8 years. the point is to get photos which are unique.
ps. just read this dpr thread. it really shows you have to work with your specific camera. that's the reason many don't like sigma. it is different.
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I did not at all want to compare price ranges of different DSLRs. So the price is NOT the argument for me to buy such a camera. Because I would never buy a "cheap" camera (what is cheap????) if the camera would not fulfill my needs.
For me a DSLR needs to fulfill certain basic stuff, like support by the most popular RAW converters and if this is not the case then I am (and this is my personal thing, so others might of course disagree here) not willing to consider it further. No matter how great the IQ is (which is to be shown in my opinion WRT the Foveon sensor - I was not so much impressed by the samples I got from a DP2).
I also found the DP2 VERY slow in working, would thus need to understand how fast the SD15 is and if it comes close to the other mass of existing DSLRs.
WRT IQ - as I already mentioned I did not really get the difference. Not in terms of resolution nor in terms of DR, color, WB etc. For me the D700 or D3S (even if the "only" output 12MP resolution, but the original resolution of the SD15 is 5MP, everything else is just nice SW, which can be done as well with any other RAW output) are the clear winners in the field of DSLRs. And BTW they are fast and are supported by all RAW converters.
Again - my personal opinion. Would love to see that Foveon (Sigma) is coming out with broader RAW support and faster state of the art cameras as well as FF sensors. But I guess it is quite some time needed till this will be achieved.
When printing from these files, most of my Canon and Nikon shooting friends are very impressed with the 12 x 18" prints that I crank out---they like the edges and quality better than their 5D's and D700's. It could be that I'm just a fabulous photographer, but there are real differences in the files ability to capture contrast and edges.
Anyway, I had an opportunity to shoot a 'nearly production' SD15 a few weeks ago. My summary is here: http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/re...ssage=35555183. The bottom line is that the IQ is of the DP2s type (so it gets incrementally better, but nothing revolutionary). The body is similar to the SD14, but there's a much larger buffer (21 shots), so you'll be less likely to hit the limit. Battery life is much better and more reliable than the SD14. LCD is much better. And I didn't see one lockup with the camera: the SD14 has always been a bit glitchy (may have something to do with the battery/power levels). I would have been on the fence about upgrading because I see it as an incremental improvement, but after shooting it I definitely want one.
With regards to RAW converters, Sigma gives away their one, which is (IMO) the best for handling the files. I've never been fond of the Adobe interpretation of the Foveon files. SilkyPix and RawDeveloper are alternatives (and there are others). My favorite software doesn't support the x3f raw (Lightzone), and I've had a bunch of discussions with the guys over there and it's simply a market decision as well as a resource issue (it's a very different processing pipeline than a CFA sensor). But I still seem to be able to crank out prints. The files are easily handled in SPP, and in fact I find it much easier to get to a final print with x3f files than I do with either Canon or Nikon stuff.
It's a nice camera, and they're pricing it 'reasonably' in the US at least ($850). I can't wait to see what the next gen Sigma/Foveon chip will bring...
Sigma needs to focus on improving both basic performance and software stability. I bought yet another DP1s to try and give it another go and again I am frustrated. Very good IQ from the Foveon sensor, but even though I know it is slow and thought I could accept it the camera's shot to shot performance still bugs me. But more than that SPP4 really sucks on my Mac. It is crashing constantly. I also tried RAW Developer, which now handles Foveon files, and though better it still has quirks with the X3F files. I gave up, again. I'll wait for the 29mm A12 for my Ricoh GXR.
These can be great cameras - Sigma has a small family of cameras and if Sigma would focus on the software fundamentals they could be an awesome set. But they don't seem to be willing to make the effort, and in the meantime many other camera manufacturers have joined the serious compact category and are quickly moving forward.
thank you very much for your comments and the review. it's the first first-hand account i've read. i tried the sd9 and didn't like it much. the sd15 sounds much more appealing. is there an adapter for leica r lenses? that would make it worthy of at least a trial. using the dp's, i'm getting more and more away from using dslr's. maybe this will win me back.
ps. did find this: http://cgi.ebay.com/LEICA-R-MOUNT-RE...QQcmdZViewItem seems like there might be something simpler out there.
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yes, jim, dp interchangable, perfect.
there is another way to go. the m42 adapter. it's very cheap. and hundreds of high quality lenses for a lot less than af ones. i've already got several i can use and several adapters (check ebay).
How is manual focusing with the SD15?
Manual focusing was fine for me, but I have good eyes. When I put on the 70 mm macro (a loaner) onto the body and looked through the viewfinder, I could tell that this was the sharpest lens I had used...
Thank you Jim. How about 21mm to 50mm lenses? I need a special focus screen with the 5D for instance. Is it the same with the Sigma?
For me, manual focusing with the 50 mm and 24-70 mm (as well as the 10-20 mm) were all fine. But as I mentioned, I have 20-12 vision so I see changes against the focus screen pretty well.
Thank you Jim.
seriously considering one, if i can contemplate carrying a dslr. just bought another lense i'd been wanting on ebay.
PENTAX SCREW MOUNT 85-210MM F1:4.5 TELE ZOOM LENS
it's a helios lens. made in russia. cost including mailing from the uk: $57.00. i'm a sucker for these lenses that go for so little. can use it on my canons and fuji and on the sd15, if...
ps. the adapter for the sigma will cost you about $6 from hong kong via ebay.
pss. AN IMPORTANT QUESTION. for canon i need a confirmation adapter. however for the fuji no confirmation connector needed, the little green dot lights up when it's in focus. will it do the same for the sd15? I've several m42 to sigma adapters, but none of them have the confirmation connectors. the confirmation light makes manual focusing a snap.
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Better avoid cheap adapters with heavy lenses FWIW
The Sigma recommended price for the USA is considerably less than for the UK.
thanks, lct, for the tip. i'll heed it.
Maybe you need to speak with Dave Coffin. Afaik, lightzone and many others rely on dcraw.My favorite software doesn't support the x3f raw (Lightzone), and I've had a bunch of discussions with the guys over there and it's simply a market decision as well as a resource issue (it's a very different processing pipeline than a CFA sensor).
Lightzone only depends on DCRAW to read the file, it doesn't use Dave's code to do the demosaicing. And that's where the problem lies.
I also have to take back my comment about SPP 4.1 being less crash prone. I've had a crash-fest session with it a few nights ago.
is there a 4.1. i checked online. i've never had 4.0 crash on pc since it came out.
thanks. mine's a 64 pc. on the sd15, did the focus confirmation light work with your adapter? that makes manual focusing a breeze.
I've never used my adapter on the SD15 (or on the SD14 for that matter). I've never bothered to get into the alt-lenses.
thanks, jim. i can't help trying everything.
here's the sd15 users' group:
so far i don't see the dp nature. they seem more ordinary.