Lili
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The result is millions of technically perfect, but creatively boring images.
so not fun!
would far rather be creative
many of my favorite shots are not 'perfect'
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PMFJI Lili, but commercial photography is exactly opposite, as I'm sure you know.
Just to add, since I express myself better musically, and I feel that music is a much more expressive artform than photography, I might as well try to make some money with my photography. My creative/ expressive needs are satisfied.
Just to add, since I express myself better musically, and I feel that music is a much more expressive artform than photography, I might as well try to make some money with my photography. My creative/ expressive needs are satisfied.
Lili
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LOL, oh yes. Sad but true.
Thats where all the cliche's of starving artists come from
Still you gotta do what you gotta do to stay housed, fed and living
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Generally speaking Lili, yes. In my case, and this is going to sound arrogant even though it's just the truth, it's more an embarrassment of riches. I was a creative type of photographer before I ever took up music, but I was always disillusioned with the one-dimensional aspect of photography. Even though I felt I was expressing myself with pictures, most people would just look at a picture for a couple seconds and put it aside. Even though photography has been accepted an an artform, it's incredibly rare that anyone is moved or touched by a picture in a powerful way. In fact, the pictures that have stopped me in my tracks are war photographs and disaster pictures. Edwin Weston's Pepper just doesn't do it. Plus the message, since photography is based in reality, is not always clear. When was the last time you were brought to tears by a photograph? How about a song?LOL, oh yes. Sad but true.
Thats where all the cliche's of starving artists come from
Still you gotta do what you gotta do to stay housed, fed and living
Bottom line is that I enjoy taking pictures, but I'd rather express myself through music. You can reach a wider audience with a greater impact. I don't exactly see people lining-up at the galleries and museums to view a photographic exhibition, mostly just other photographers. Photography always left me creatively unfulfilled and frustrated, but to be able to continue taking pictures and earn some money seems totally win-win, but only because music is so gratifiying and appreciated as an artform. An embarrassment of riches, the best of both worlds.
Sorry, I never intended to travel this road, but you got me started. See Lili, it's your fault.
this question of making money with photography is interesting. i've known university and school photographers who have to turn it out. it's a job. they look run ragged! wedding photographers the same.
i went to a richard misrach show at a gallery in san francisco. older b&w prints maybe 2 feet by 2 feet of desert cactus at night, shot with either car headlights or a flash. these were printed by misrach with a technique he could no longer use cause the paper discontinued. they sold for $20,000 each. i asked the gallery person if they were selling and she said yes.
there's no substitute for establishing yourself as a name!
as for stock, take a look at www.jimzuckerman.com (his book on making money in photography worth browsing thru. lots of good ideas. but it's his sole work.) i admire stock photography but the pictures need to be without the imprint of the photographer's personality so meaning can be added by others in many different ways. rather like song lyrics. they can't be complete as poetry or there's no room for the music.
wayne
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i went to a richard misrach show at a gallery in san francisco. older b&w prints maybe 2 feet by 2 feet of desert cactus at night, shot with either car headlights or a flash. these were printed by misrach with a technique he could no longer use cause the paper discontinued. they sold for $20,000 each. i asked the gallery person if they were selling and she said yes.
there's no substitute for establishing yourself as a name!
as for stock, take a look at www.jimzuckerman.com (his book on making money in photography worth browsing thru. lots of good ideas. but it's his sole work.) i admire stock photography but the pictures need to be without the imprint of the photographer's personality so meaning can be added by others in many different ways. rather like song lyrics. they can't be complete as poetry or there's no room for the music.
wayne
www.pbase.com/wwp
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Wayne, speaking for me only, my photography would be more gratifying if I earned some money doing it. I've done the creative/ art photography thing long enough to know that it leaves me wanting. For the first time in years, I'm motivated about photography again. And it's not that I have to earn money with photography, but if that's what it takes to keep me motivated and active instead of giving it up, then I think that's a great thing, and the avenue I should pursue. And it's not to say that you can't earn money from art photography, but I need to keep my artistic/ expressive pursuits innocent of money to feel good about what I'm doing. To me, money corrupts absolutely.
BTW, thanks for the link!
BTW, thanks for the link!
Lili
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Player,
Music is indeed a powerful medium
I listen and Dance to it, it moves through me when i do
Cannot sing, sadly
My photography too is important to me at least
to quote Roy Batty from Blade Runner
"If only you could see what I've seen with Your Eyes"
Much of my work will not go on the web
as it is too personal
sorry to sound so pretentious, just the long week and some Jack talking
Music is indeed a powerful medium
I listen and Dance to it, it moves through me when i do
Cannot sing, sadly
My photography too is important to me at least
to quote Roy Batty from Blade Runner
"If only you could see what I've seen with Your Eyes"
Much of my work will not go on the web
as it is too personal
sorry to sound so pretentious, just the long week and some Jack talking
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i don't object to commercial photography at all. it's interesting that the fashion work of david bailey and guy bourdin much better (in my opinion) than the work they call 'personal.' various jobs can call up all kinds of creativity. i look at a lot of fashion work, especially from the 80's and 90's. another book to browse:
http://www.amazon.com/Moment-Clicks...bs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1214618793&sr=8-1
i've gone thru it several times. (i spend a lot of time in the barnes and noble coffee shop, browsing thru all kinds of photo books, magazines, etc.) lots of good tips. great professional photographer.
wayne
www.pbase.com/wwp
http://www.amazon.com/Moment-Clicks...bs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1214618793&sr=8-1
i've gone thru it several times. (i spend a lot of time in the barnes and noble coffee shop, browsing thru all kinds of photo books, magazines, etc.) lots of good tips. great professional photographer.
wayne
www.pbase.com/wwp
helen,
this has gotten outrageously expensive, but maybe you can find it in the library:
http://www.amazon.com/Helmut-Newton..._bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1214632517&sr=8-1
player,
i've been savoring this leonard cohen video the last several evenings:
http://www.amazon.com/Leonard-Cohen...ef=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1214632679&sr=1-1
enjoy,
wayne
this has gotten outrageously expensive, but maybe you can find it in the library:
http://www.amazon.com/Helmut-Newton..._bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1214632517&sr=8-1
player,
i've been savoring this leonard cohen video the last several evenings:
http://www.amazon.com/Leonard-Cohen...ef=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1214632679&sr=1-1
enjoy,
wayne
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Nothing "pretentious" about that Lili.Player,
Music is indeed a powerful medium
I listen and Dance to it, it moves through me when i do
Cannot sing, sadly
My photography too is important to me at least
to quote Roy Batty from Blade Runner
"If only you could see what I've seen with Your Eyes"
Much of my work will not go on the web
as it is too personal
sorry to sound so pretentious, just the long week and some Jack talking
I hope I was clear enough that I was just speaking for myself.
One thing you said reminded me of a guitar teacher I had. He said that he wrote songs just for himself, and he didn't care if no one heard them. I disagree with that so strongly: to me, music, and photography, is about communication, and if no one hears or sees an artist's work, what's the point really. Then I was a wiseguy and blurted-out, "What, you're just going to communicate with yourself? I'm not schizophrenic, I am."
pjphoto59
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I submit a lot of pictures to Alamy and to two other stock agencies.
Alamy requirements are 48MB (open) images, (say 4800 x 3600 px) they must be sharp, (but unsharpened) free of chroma noise and interpolation artefacts.
I use Olympus 8MP and 10MP dslr's and also a GX100. I have had a lot of GX100 pictures accepted by Alamy.
I know that many people have had Canon G9 pix accepted also.
Peter