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nei1
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Absolutely none is my guess:shocked:
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asabet
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The D-LUX 2 cost more than the D-LUX 3. IIRC, my dad paid about $800 for his. The other good thing about buying the Leica version is that the resale value tends to be pretty good. That doesn't make up for the cost difference, but it narrows the gap.
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Ruhayat
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The price difference is absolutely worth it if you're a sucker for design like me. My D-Lux 3's skin feels so smooth and sexy, just like my Powerbook 12-inch.:angel: Love the clean, minimalist lines, too. Wish I'd gotten the silver one, though... on hindsight, it looks a lot more classic than the black.
Other than that, I've read that Leica tweaks the firmware differently. Dunno if that's true; the yellows and blues still pop with a little too plasticky look to me. Not like the Digilux 2 at all, I must say, although it does appear close to those from Minilux samples I have come across.
Other than that, I've read that Leica tweaks the firmware differently. Dunno if that's true; the yellows and blues still pop with a little too plasticky look to me. Not like the Digilux 2 at all, I must say, although it does appear close to those from Minilux samples I have come across.
Expensive Red dot! and expensive extra hand grip addon! Like other have said, only for JPG images, will you most likely notice the difference between LX3 and D-Lux4.
Also design wise, the D-Lux4 looks a whole lot cleaner than the LX3. One has to wonder, whether anyone has made knock off external cases for the LX3. Since the button positions, and LCD, and lens are in exactly the same position, there would be no reason why we could not retrofit a LX3 to look like a D-Lux 4.
Mazor
Also design wise, the D-Lux4 looks a whole lot cleaner than the LX3. One has to wonder, whether anyone has made knock off external cases for the LX3. Since the button positions, and LCD, and lens are in exactly the same position, there would be no reason why we could not retrofit a LX3 to look like a D-Lux 4.
Mazor
Well they may be different cameras.
Apparently, according to respected UK magazine AP, Leica has said the D-Lux 4 has a different processing engine to its Panasonic counterpart and has a "unique colour matching, contrast and picture definition profile" capable of delivering images comparable to those produced by M-series film models. Some statement.
AP recently tested the LX-3 and gave it 34/40 for picture quality against 25/40 for the Ricoh GX200.
Then there is the price. Typical LX-3 prices are around £320 in the UK whereas the D-Lux 4 is going to be £590.
I have several Panaleicas but this time I'm probably going for The D-Lux.
NR
Apparently, according to respected UK magazine AP, Leica has said the D-Lux 4 has a different processing engine to its Panasonic counterpart and has a "unique colour matching, contrast and picture definition profile" capable of delivering images comparable to those produced by M-series film models. Some statement.
AP recently tested the LX-3 and gave it 34/40 for picture quality against 25/40 for the Ricoh GX200.
Then there is the price. Typical LX-3 prices are around £320 in the UK whereas the D-Lux 4 is going to be £590.
I have several Panaleicas but this time I'm probably going for The D-Lux.
NR
think the "unique color matching ... etc" only applys to JPGs, and so if you are a RAW shooter this advantage over the LX3 may be omitted.
But the D-Lux4 does look real good and much more distinguished and classy, whereas the Panasonic has advertising all over the camera showing off Mega OIS, etc, and the built in hand grip looks a bit cheap and tacky.
MAzor
But the D-Lux4 does look real good and much more distinguished and classy, whereas the Panasonic has advertising all over the camera showing off Mega OIS, etc, and the built in hand grip looks a bit cheap and tacky.
MAzor
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VladimirV
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The real Leica can be seen in the much higher pricing, the missing handgrip and the overcharging for accessories (like 70€ for the handgrip
). Aside from that, the firmware will probably have minor differences for JPGs and of course you have the snob value of the "red dot" which will keep the re-sale value slightly higher. SSDL .IMHO, all Leica branded Panasonic cameras are a rip-off (not that the other Leica cameras are any more realistically priced
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nei1
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But at least the others are leica products,people actually think they are buying a leica product with the d-lux which it isnt,its the start of a franchise where leicas only contribution has been a tick to approve a design change.All a con trick if not explained to the general public in full.
The firmware is indeed different. The menus in the D-Lux 4 actually look like the menus in the M8, not a panasonic. The color rendering is different as is the noise reduction, which is less aggressive on the D-Lux 4. The warranty is 2 years versus 1 year. The D-Lux 4 comes with Capture One v4.1, the panasonic does not. Additionally, the RAW files are different. C1 will read and convert the D-Lux 4 RAW file, but will not recognize the Pana file (and never will).
So there are your differences. FWIW I've played with the D-Lux 4 and like it better than the G10 or the P6000, both of which I handled today.
Hope this helps.
David
So there are your differences. FWIW I've played with the D-Lux 4 and like it better than the G10 or the P6000, both of which I handled today.
Hope this helps.
David
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nei1
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Im sure youre correct,my point is that panosonic do all of this,leica just says ok and rakes in the money,its a franchise not a product.I have no idea if this is true,its just what I think. regards Neil.
p.s.I honestly hope that Im wrong.
p.s.I honestly hope that Im wrong.
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Cindy Flood
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I always shoot raw, so the jpeg engine means nothing to me. I had a D-Lux3 and still have an LX-2. I did appreciate the design of the D-Lux3 and when I sold it, it was worth more than the LX-2 was. I saw no difference in my Raw files.
I am going for the LX-3 this time. If money was no object, I'd go for the pretty body with the red dot.
I am going for the LX-3 this time. If money was no object, I'd go for the pretty body with the red dot.
Cindy,
You brought up a very valid point that I forgot to make.
The D-Lux 3 was an anomaly in digital cameras. The camera was introduced last Photokina, 2 years ago. In our store, demand stayed consistent for the camera over two years and still continued after the replacement was announced. We sold off some used D-Lux 3 cameras (with Leica CPO warraties) on Ebay and were quite shocked when the bidding ended up being higher for the used cameras than new ones.
The Leica compact cameras hold their value much better than the Pana equivalents. So, you may pay more up front, but you will end up paying less over the long run. Does this make sense?
David
You brought up a very valid point that I forgot to make.
The D-Lux 3 was an anomaly in digital cameras. The camera was introduced last Photokina, 2 years ago. In our store, demand stayed consistent for the camera over two years and still continued after the replacement was announced. We sold off some used D-Lux 3 cameras (with Leica CPO warraties) on Ebay and were quite shocked when the bidding ended up being higher for the used cameras than new ones.
The Leica compact cameras hold their value much better than the Pana equivalents. So, you may pay more up front, but you will end up paying less over the long run. Does this make sense?
David
Cindy Flood
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I totally agree with you David. The cost of ownership over the long run is probably not more and you get the benefit of the more stylish body and the more robust software. I will probably move up to the Leica version at some point in the cycle, but at the moment, I've got some other irons in the fire, and I would rather have the panny than no P+S (in my purse) at all. If this was my only camera, I would go for the red dot.
Tim
Active member
David,
I am interested to know is the Capture One supplied with the D-Lux4 a full normal version? Is it knobbled in any way? Would it handle RAW files for say a GRDII or Nikon SLR for example.
Tim
johnastovall
Deceased, but remembered fondly here...
I understand that Leica's role in the Panosonics is to have each one as it comes off the assembly line for an asperger with water from the river Lahn to be shaken over it . :angel:
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nei1
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David you are quite rightly looking at this from a sellers point of view,but from a buyers viewfinder its not quite cricket,all thats rosy,Neil.
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