what do you mean by the safest device?
what do you mean by the safest device?
I have talked to a Nokia specialist recently and he said that Symbian as an opensource system which is now so very well documented does not have any "KNOWN" backdoors as iOS or Android or Win8 do have (as we all know now thanks to Snowden).
So the N808 also has a removable Battery (which the new Phones don´t have anymore) which helps to keep your privacy when you have it switched off and don´t want to betracked (as with the other smartphones the NSA can switch them on remote and spy on you, no matter what you do, without battery -NO WAY !).
So for now I will keep my N808. I also do have the feeling that the larger N808 sensor has a tad less noise than the 1020 samples I have seen.
Greetings from Germany
Stefan. How to I get camera Pro on 808? I download it through nokia website?
FOUND IT. thanks
It´s in the Nokia Store, as you already found out.
you will see it really has great options. Some not even to be found in really expensive DSLR´s.
I needed a new phone, so I had to buy it before it disappeared. The 1020 isn't nearly as cool, oversharpened and oversaturated. The 808 has a fantastic sensor, great colour, amazing detail... D800, eat your heart out
Nokia 808, heavily cropped
very nice Picture, Jørgen!
Yes I'm about considering it myself. The Lumia 1020 is bigger, clumsier, and can't take pictures in low light. This one seems to still be the leader of the gang.
And yes it’s about getting hold of it before it disappears.
Nokia 808, cropped
Nokia 808, cropped
The 1020 is bigger, but it also sports a much larger higher resolution screen. The phone thickness is considerably thinner than the 808. I think both form factors are clumsy, as there is no dedicated sculpted hand grip, but that is the compromise one has to make in order to have a phone and a camera in one.
The 1020 can take pictures in low light, and will be better than the 808, as it handles higher ISO better than the 808, plus it has optical stabilizer. Where the 1020 fails is at low ISO, where the larger sensor 808 pulls ahead with far better detail, resolution, and low noise.
Yes please get an 808, before they become a rarity. Just love the IQ of the 808, check out these pipes I captured today
no cropping, just conversion to black and white, enjoy the pure pixel resolution and superb corner sharpness!
But an expectation of 1600 or 3200 iso is fare out of the game for either of them, I guess?
Nokia 808 @ f/2.4, 1/8s and ISO 640
Thank you Carl, they are good and very usefull!
But perhaps is the 808 less bulkier in the pocket, even thought its thicker.
Could anyone post 800/1600/3200 from the 808 too?
Nokia 808 @ f/2.4
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She cannot figure out this Symbian OS either...
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I finally received a Nokia 808 yesterday. Still trying to get familiar with the new phone, but so far no major problems. I still have the 1020 as well, but will most likely keep the 808 for the better IQ.
A handheld garden shot of some fall crocus. Didn't see the hopper munching on one of the blossoms until after I processed the image. Used Camera Pro at 41 mp and 90% setting.
Can someone tell me what the slot near the bottom of the camera module is for?
Nokia 808 with flash
Carl, could you be persuated to do 800/1600/3200iso shots with the 808 too, just to compare with the 1020?
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Thank you Carl! But now I'm just a bit more confused, while here the 1020 seems to handle colours better, and perhaps more correct?, and handle the high iso better too..hhmm....
on the other hand Jorgens B&W of the little boy(#66) is so clear that it could have been taken with a M9.
Jokes aside, this is some amazing technology, and I keep wondering how it would work with a larger sensor, like m4/3, and with RAW output. That would mean roughly 80MP and clean, sharp images of 30-40MP... if the lenses can resolve that much.
Or will the development go the other way, and produce tiny cameras, Like the Pentax Q? I wouldn't mind a camera with all the lenses I need weighing less than a kilogram
Come to that...and all the other hard dicisions in ones camera-life, buying a cell-phone with a splendid camera inside, and leave your GR at home is perhaps at matter of deciding your pocket-strategy and bunch-of-key strategy in your right pocket: leave all the 15 different keys from your right pocket in the car, and just go with your private front door key in your left pocket and the carry your GR ALL time totally unprotected in your right pocket (knowing that if you ruin the tiny lensblades, you just buy a new GR while its almost same Price as a 1020 or 808), and then perhaps just leave a primitive small Nokia 3010 or 510 cellphone that doesn't care for scrathes in your left....(I love my GR...and its still some notches better than a 808!)...the freedom of being totally even-small-size-bag-free could be a very tempting goal.
nah, actually it is a laser canon, to take out un cooperative subjects
Actually it is a speaker slow. Cover it up ,and you will find ring tones, or media playback muffled. Guess it is best to keep that port clear.
scho, love your ISO 800 and 1600 comparisons between the Nokia 808 and the Nokia 1020.
Really like the performance of the Nokia 1020 at ISO 800, and even more at ISO 1600. It is as if the jump between ISO 800 and 1600 is not affecting the signal to noise of the sensor! If I had a 1020, I would probably skip ISO 800 all together in favor of 1600, just to get that extra light, without compromise.
You have proved what many sites have done with regards to comparing the 808 and the 1020. The 808 has better pixel performance at low ISO, and the overall frame is super sharp, with excellent detail and minimal noise. The 1020 comes to it's own past ISO 800, where it clearly outclasses the 808 with ease, and it is if the performance gets better at ISO 1600 based on the image we see.
It is as if the 808 was designed for daylight landscapes and portraits, anything that uses ISO 50 to 200, and the 1020 was designed for low light, and possible more street like photography.
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The 1020 output JPG does have increased saturation, contrast, and the color is enhanced to look like a postcard. The nokia 808 output JPG is very accurate and true to the scene being captured. The colors are very neutral which makes it receptive to post process adjustments.
It seems that more mobile phone consumers prefer a more complete image look straight out of camera rather than a natural true image. True to life images only work well if the subject is very interesting, and or the composition of the scene is remarkable. Pushing colors, contrast, can make boring scenes more interesting, and hence a high success rate of sharable images.
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scho, why would you prefer a 35mm equivalent instead of a nice wide 26mm in the current models? I thought the idea was if you want to change the focal length you can do easily using the lossless pureview zoom. If you already start at 35mm, we cannot reverse zoom to get 26mm.
Also if they do bring out another model. I would like to see a 20mp sensor in place of the 41MP sensor, so that the default pixel micron would be larger, to improve overall performance to the next level.
Plus if they could re incorporate pureview 8mp it would be great, since 5mp at times is a bit low resolution for todays standards.
Here is a shot I took a while back using maximum pureview zoom using pureview 8mp mode on my 808.
scho, the 808 can maintain optical quality across the frame and that has a 26mm f2.4 lens. It is just the new redesigned thinner optics in the 1020 that seems to have issues, assuming you only use the pureview 5mp mode on the 1020, and no "zoom reinvented" post cropping into the corner of the frame, the 1020 performance across the frame is adequate but will not be as good as the 808. I suspect if the 1020 had the drop in aperture ring, the corner softness even at full resolution should be less again, but then you have to counter the effect of diffraction, which will diminish the entire frame IQ uniformly.
As for pureview zoom. You should try it on the 808 in good light. It is surprisingly good. Quality degradation is apparent with each step of zoom applied, but the details are still very good. I cannot say the same from what I seen from the 1020, as the lens quality seems to be less with the new design, and applying pureview zoom would be the same seeing a full res image, and any defects will be magnified.
Lovely photos, Carl. Did the blue sky look like that out of the camera?
Thanks Jorgen. Yes, that is exactly how it looked OOC. One of those very rare deep blue sky days that we don't see that often in this area. No polarizer mazor, but I'm wondering if Nokia slipped in a polarizer instead of an ND.
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this camera just got better. Check out GSM arenas comparison charts, select the 808, and select the 1020. The lower noise higher detail, sharper image from the 808 is plainly clear, and this is not even comparing corners of the image