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    Quote Originally Posted by k-hawinkler View Post
    Great shot, terrific sky!
    You can slightly see the Sandias again, this one was shot in Rio Rancho.
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    Thanks, yup!

    I can see the Sandias from my house in White Rock. :-)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lucille View Post
    This is terrific, can you share a little about your workflow? Is this shot handheld?

    Thanks for sharing - have you tried the mk IV yet? This is my first RX100, and I was attracted by the possibility of 16fps / electronic shutter + advanced bracketing controls for handheld hdr bursts.

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    Straight conversion using Capture One 8.3.3

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    Working the heather
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    Sony Rx100 mIII



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    Re: Fun with RX100M4

    Quote Originally Posted by Brian Mosley View Post
    This is terrific, can you share a little about your workflow? Is this shot handheld?

    Thanks for sharing - have you tried the mk IV yet? This is my first RX100, and I was attracted by the possibility of 16fps / electronic shutter + advanced bracketing controls for handheld hdr bursts.

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    Yes sir this is hand held. Not much to share, I always tend to underexpose my shots, then bring them up in post and add contrast. I have not tried the mk IV, I used to own the original Rx100 but gave it to my son. Not enough upgrades for me to jump from the MIII to the IV though I believe with the latter you can get a faster shutter speed.
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    Re: Fun with RX100M4

    Still having fun!

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    I'm much happier with this rendition...
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    I like the tones in this shot. It goes into "looks a bit painted" without having that nasty "98% of all HDR shots" I dislike so much.

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    Hi Jeff,

    I've always been looking for the optimum balance between image quality, useability and portability... this feels like it's almost at the sweet spot.

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    I always keep looking for that with a bias to small. I tried the Canon G7X recently... it's funny - in some areas it's not as bad as the reviews say. But the lens.. meh. I mean it's not useless but has this ... haze depending on which focal length... like macro mode wide open is pretty blah. Glamour filterTM built in, because it's smeary-blurry. :-)

    Get the impression the Sony (particularly the MKIII/MKIV) do better (much better) here. I considered these types of camera again because of the freedom to carry something with you at all times, choose focals like primes.

    My #1 problem always is, I like to shoot at night and that's where it's tougher for me to use these. But man in daylight they sure are nice.

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    the tiny Rx100 mIII is my goto body for my coin Photography, it does a better job for me then all my full frames.





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    Re: Fun with RX100M4

    So I figured out how to trigger a burst of 9 shots at 16fps at the same exposure level.

    This is useful for producing sets of RAW files to process with PhotoAcute for super-resolution (almost 78Mp resultant image, with greater colour tonality)

    I expose to the right at base ISO using the zebra line display to avoid blowing the highlights.

    Here's an example - both images reduced to 1200 on the long edge.

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    The trick is to set the Auto ISO limits both to ISO 125, and use the Manual Exposure mode with 9 shot HDR, including a 2 second delay before HDR burst.

    This way, I set aperture and shutter speed manually using the zebra line display as a guide to expose to the right. I press and release the shutter release button, and steady the camera for the 9 shot burst which occurs after a 2 second delay.

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    From a 9 shot burst at ISO 125, f4.5, 1/1000s - shadows lifted.
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    From 9 shot burst at ISO 125, 1/1000s, f4.5
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    Hi, just confirming, the 9 burst shot mode on the RX100 iv is for HDR?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mazor View Post
    Hi, just confirming, the 9 burst shot mode on the RX100 iv is for HDR?
    Yes, that's the intention - but it can be used to produce a burst of 9 identically exposed shots at 16fps handheld, after a 2 second delay to brace the camera.

    I'm using Capture One Pro to generate tiffs which I process with PhotoAcute to stack the 9 shots, followed by LightZone to do the tone mapping and colour adjustments.

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    This afternoon, we had a brief visit to Tideswell and the Cathedral in the Peak - always have the RX100 m4 with me these days.

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    I used my now standard approach for best quality stills, expose to the right, 9 shot burst, process using Capture One Pro -> PhotoAcute -> Lightzone.

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    ...and an internal view.

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    Re: Fun with RX100M4

    Quote Originally Posted by Brian Mosley View Post
    Yes, that's the intention - but it can be used to produce a burst of 9 identically exposed shots at 16fps handheld, after a 2 second delay to brace the camera.

    I'm using Capture One Pro to generate tiffs which I process with PhotoAcute to stack the 9 shots, followed by LightZone to do the tone mapping and colour adjustments.

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    Brian, I am interested in PhotoAcute software. Are you able to hand-hold the camera totally steady for nine shots? It looks like one would need the pro version to do what you are doing. Is that correct?

    Your result is amazing!
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    Re: Fun with RX100M4

    Quote Originally Posted by Cindy Flood View Post
    Brian, I am interested in PhotoAcute software. Are you able to hand-hold the camera totally steady for nine shots? It looks like one would need the pro version to do what you are doing. Is that correct?

    Your result is amazing!
    Hi Cindy, I'm afraid you will need the pro version - but before you purchase, please note that development may have ceased (or hopefully just paused) of this software. I've raised a support request, and will report back before recommending it to purchase.

    To be clear, PhotoAcute works perfectly well for all models of the RX100 provided that you export to tiff from a decent RAW converter - import these tiff files into PhotoAcute and then export to tiff for final tone mapping / pp.

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    Just a quick update on PhotoAcute - I'm still trying to reach the developer (Eugene Panich) to see whether there's any chance of continuing given the latest cameras so well suited to super-resolution treatment.

    I'll report back when I've reached him.

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    I got around to doing a screenshot to show how processing 9 shot bursts with PhotoAcute gives more dynamic range and resolution.

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    Can't let you have all the fun Brian :-)

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    Fantastic to have company Ricardo!

    It will be fascinating to see what you make of this camera for your needs.

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    Fantastic to have company Ricardo!

    It will be fascinating to see what you make of this camera for your needs.

    Cheers

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    I can tell you already a lot if you are curious- I think the RX100 MKIV (and MKIII) are surprisingly one of the best "all in one can do it all" cameras out there that fit in a pocket. I never liked the RX100 MK1, but this one clearly has some photographic evolution.

    What surprised me the most is that the lens is actually good! As in "this thing has blue crystals from the moons of Saturn" good in terms of capturing light and having this weird "magical light glow and micro contrast" with things. I think this was the biggest surprise. If only Sony did this level of quality with all their lenses *cough* - they have way too much QA variation in their ILC mounts.

    My problem though is always at night. I found I can do some reasonable shots at wide / F1.8 but moving people I have to be much more careful. So I am looking at this as my carry at all times "sketch book" camera- like what the Pentax Q was in many ways though the Q had that wonderful super tele photo lens you could put in.

    With that said, I feel having an electric zoom while having the win of carrying several focal lengths with you, has the issue of feeling a bit "disconnected." I think in the ideal would I would love if this zoom could be made mechanical, like say the Fuji X30's. One thing I notice I miss from Q/Nikon1 is that "Turn on and ready" because there's no lens to extend.

    But, it fits in a pocket and that's also a big win to me. I like small size.

    The other thing I have found "ok" is the AF. Sometimes it tends to miss or take longer that I would like. I don't know why Sony has not put phase detection on this line at this point. I can only suspect is one of the improvements in line for the MKV version. The Nikon 1 here does exceptional, though the Nikon 1 AF squares are a bit big and depending on the distance it may focus behind the subject. But it's predictable once you make sure the AF square fills your target.

    I have been wondering if I would rather carry my OMD EM5 MKII with the lens cap and "arm/disarm" as I need, but I don't think it's the same experience, and since this camera is like one level smaller, you are that much stealthier. I have been able to document some things that have been some rather nice shots and if a "camera gets me shots" as I say, it's probably worth keeping at least for a while.

    What's the other thing? Ah yes, that R1XR MKII. Been thinking about that one as you know. Mainly because it's a compact camera that should have superb "better than I had ever" low light performance, so for street night life that's attractive. Still trying to find more info on it particularly if Sony will enable the Smart Telecon when shooting in RAW mode (doubt it though :-( ).

    So I would say, whether I keep or not I am pretty impressed with this camera. I never expected the lens to be as good as it is, particularly in this small size.

    - Ricardo

    PS: More shots to come soon.

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    As I expected, interesting insights and great images thanks Ricardo.

    Only having the 12-40mm f2.8 pro and similar quality lenses with which to compare the Rx100 m4 zoom, I'm happy the lens gets anywhere close - and with PhotoAcute image stacking gets amazingly close!

    I have the rear wheel, left push to 'save memory slot' so that I can assign current settings to a memory slot.

    I then power up in 'MR' mode and the zoom lens automatically returns to the saved focal length (eg 35mm equivalent for me). That saves time - unfortunately it doesn't retain the focus setting.

    Good luck, and please keep your thoughts and images coming.

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    Re: Fun with RX100M4

    Sony have released a firmware update (v1.2) for the RX100 m4 here :
    http://www.sony.co.uk/support/en/pro...reAndDownloads

    Unfortunately, only a single benefit :

    Release date: 27/10/2015
    ◾ Benefits and improvements ◾This update resolves the focus loss issue while recording in HFR (High Frame Rate) mode

    I'm pleased to see that Sony are issuing updates, and hope they will bring the 'uncompressed RAW' option to the RX100 m4 also.

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    We were in Rochester, MN this week. It was not a photo trip, but it was fun to have the little RX100 in my purse. I had a few chances to pull it out. My A7rII and A7II were along, but they never came out of the camera bag.
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    I need to go to Rochester- MN to visit some friends. I worked there ages ago. It was also my first winter... BRRRR :-)

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    And one by my wife, Karen...
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    If she keeps pinching it, I may need to get the RX1RII

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    We really are blessed in this part of the country...
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    Cindy,
    Lots of detail in your pics. It's such a fun little toy, isn't it.
    Brian & Karen-lovely landscapes.
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    That's a torture test for the sensor + lens, tricky exposure!

    Great fun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lucille View Post
    the tiny Rx100 mIII is my goto body for my coin Photography, it does a better job for me then all my full frames.
    I think this may be because of the smaller sensor.
    I found my GRD IV (2/3 sensor)does macros really well and is easier that the GR which is APS-C

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian Mosley View Post
    That's a torture test for the sensor + lens, tricky exposure!

    Great fun.

    Brian
    I have one with the light area exposed properly, but the subjects are not where I want. The shadow ranger of the Sony sensors is pretty amazing and I could make it work. It's the kind of DR one doesn't expect to see in this camera class.

    - Brian- there's a shot you posted in another website I like/find interesting.. its as sort of B&W with some rectangular thing in near the center of the shot? Forgot what it was.

    - Ricardo

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    Thanks Ricardo,

    was it this one?

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    Taken in woods, shooting into sunlight through the trees. It was a HDR shot from a 9 shot burst.

    The platform is an overgrown rock.

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    Another view of Burrowlee House...
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    Re: Fun with RX100M4

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    Thanks Ricardo,

    was it this one?
    Yes! That one. This has a very strong style and tones.. hard to explain.. like a Chinese ink pen illustration and looks very interesting. If someone said "Brian took that shot" I would have said "what? Really?" - not what I expected to see from you! :-)

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    Re: Fun with RX100M4

    Ah, that's very interesting feedback Ricardo thank you.

    I must try for more of those 'huh?!' reactions.

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    Re: Fun with RX100M4

    And now for something different from me, though I do shoot more abstract stuff from time to time.



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    Re: Fun with RX100M4

    This is a hair stylist / hair cut place whose glass was covered in dew from the cold... and it looked like frosted, kinda nice. Taken tonight when I was having dinner on the way home.



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