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Same for me - enough programs already!Really not interested in learning yet another Post program like DXO
-Marc
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Same for me - enough programs already!Really not interested in learning yet another Post program like DXO
-Marc
I'm not so sure about that, Edward. 2009 has been the busiest year for the Sony DSLR division by far. 6 new camera bodies, and 6 new lenses (not including the shown tele prime) have become available this year. We all wish there were more Zeiss primes, but we mustn't forget that it's been three years since the first two were released, and Sony has done a lot since then.The way things are quickly developing, I can see Sony introducing their first full-frame evil camera soon. From there, the remaining days or years of Dslr are numbered. It was really weird that Sony coming so strong in the market would suddenly stop introducing new lenses for Dslr, does not announce an upgrade for the A700, even Zeiss must have been busy designing lenses for the new evil format. Now it is all starting to make more sense.
The noise problem isn't firmware fixable. It's a result of the denser CFA and better color separation that the A900 has over its competitors. Canon is trading color for high ISO. They say as much when mentioning their "more transparent color filters" in their 1D 1V and 5d ii press releases.I wish there will be a firmware upgrade for A900/A850 to solve the noise problem, but a newer FF body should be no surprise to everyone. I also hope there will be a sport camera like 1D IV or D3s with tele lens. I really hate myself going for a 7D and 1D IV simply because of delayed Sony telephoto lens.
Absolutely right, Douglas, but I have in mind a few things about noise that they can fix with firmware, but only affects jpgs of course.The noise problem isn't firmware fixable. It's a result of the denser CFA and better color separation that the A900 has over its competitors. Canon is trading color for high ISO. They say as much when mentioning their "more transparent color filters" in their 1D 1V and 5d ii press releases.
Well, this is very true, even though Sony did not address the increasing demand to fill in the gaps in their lens line up, Zeiss or not, preferring to introduce APS-C lenses and a rebadged Tamron.I'm not so sure about that, Edward. 2009 has been the busiest year for the Sony DSLR division by far. 6 new camera bodies, and 6 new lenses (not including the shown tele prime) have become available this year. We all wish there were more Zeiss primes, but we mustn't forget that it's been three years since the first two were released, and Sony has done a lot since then.
Mark, I've found that in actual practice the A900 not only delivers better color out of the camera than any of my Canon's did, or current Nikon's do ... I've also mostly overcome any noise issue up to and including 1000. when evaluated in print form ... not pixel peeping on a 30" computer monitor.I wish there will be a firmware upgrade for A900/A850 to solve the noise problem, but a newer FF body should be no surprise to everyone. I also hope there will be a sport camera like 1D IV or D3s with tele lens. I really hate myself going for a 7D and 1D IV simply because of delayed Sony telephoto lens.
Same observations from my side - if it comes to color, then this is my ranking:
1) Sony
2) Nikon
3) Canon
Agreed.Same observations from my side - if it comes to color, then this is my ranking:
1) Sony
2) Nikon
3) Canon
What I was referring to was color separation. Sony still uses a rather dense CFA for today's standards, which results in better resolution in certain colors, but at the cost of needing more amplification to gain up for high ISO. Outside of the CFA, part of the camera's software programming also affects this, but that is a bit outside of my understanding. Iliah Borg, who does profiles for RPP, tests this stuff exhaustively with spectrophotometers (his tests are independent of lenses,) and he's found the A900 to be about as good as it gets in this regard (outside of MFDB.) Like Marc, he often chooses to use the A900 over the D3x because of this.What do you guys use as RAW converters to get to this conclusion?
And i mean respectively for Sony, Nikon, Canon.
And do you use the same lenses brand (say, Zeiss) or are we talking here just about lens results (and not bodies/sensors)?
(in my limited experience, "colour" characteristics (range, density, CA) are much more lens than body dependent, at least on DSLR).
While lenses do play a role, the main color characteristics come from the film used. That's why we chose different films for different applications. But wait, we are in the digital age now The film nowadays has been replaced by the camera sensor, the color charactersitics depend on the depth of CFA used as well as the balance between its RGB components, and many other factors that I really do not nor want to understand(in my limited experience, "colour" characteristics (range, density, CA) are much more lens than body dependent, at least on DSLR).
Not far... as i can judge comparing my own shots with those from Minolta users. But i would say I prefer ZA 135 colours, contrast and details and it hardly loose to STF in terms of bokehI am kinda believe the next gen of FF will be in reality soon
After all, I am still using Photoshop...and has been troubled by all these colour noise
As for the colour, I am really really attractive to Minolta's 135/4.5 STF.. and I bet Sony's version is not far away.
Fully agree!As Sony's FF flagship model you can be sure Sony will be pushing the envelope for bragging rights. The bread and butter are the cheaper DSLR's they make but no one will buy them if Sony is not seen on the same level as Canikon. The top end Alpha is where they measure themselves against the established players they are trying to steal market from. As the new guy they need to really outperform to get credibility.
So I expect the ALPHA 900 v2 will raise the bar significantly on all fronts.
:shocked::shocked:Expect something between 30 - 35MP, 16bit color depth, no AA filter and significantly improved high ISO all combined with a very reasonable speed and an attractive price.