NEX FS100 $4.500
removable display lens
NEX FS100 $4.500
removable display lens
Last edited by Terry; 26th March 2011 at 15:28.
I was just checking this camera out. It is incredible! Super 35mm CMOS is amazing.
Here is more info http://crews.tv/blog/2011/03/22/sony-fs-100-enters/
Was the music video on the same page shot with it?
It's actually called FS-100 and I believe the retail price is $5850.
hmmm ... depends from model with/without lens .. $ 4500 seems wrong :-|
Now SONY TX100 is available .. $399 ... takes FullHD/60p videos also with 28 Mbps :-)))
And no built-in ND.
... and no built-in micro wave oven ...
Aye, this seems to be the main disadvantage of such a short registration distance on a video mount. They should've at least included a digital ND variant.
>hey should've at least included a digital ND variant.
Does this exist?
>Maybe they were desperate to hit a price point, and have shaved off everything they thought weren't necessary.
I think it has more to do with the form factor and also the E-Mount is larger in size. For indoors and low light NDs don't matter though. The try to compete with the HDSLRs (e.g. 5DII).
>Yes, some people believe: there is no life without such things ...
Yes, so much that most pro cameras have them builtin.
ustein, from what I understand, there has been some kind of digital ND option on other cams, but it certainly isn't a good as a real ND.
hot, for a camera in this range, leaving off ND filters is very strange. Now people are gonna have to load up matte boxes, which isn't ideal. For semi/professional video makers shooting at wide apertures, ND is a necessity. How many professional movies have you made in bright sunlight at f2 without an ND filter?
>there has been some kind of digital ND option on other cams, but it certainly isn't a good as a real ND.
If they would find a solution with good quality this would work with all HDSLRs. An optical ND is hard to create in these small bodies (maybe slide in solutions).
Regarding ND filtering: Isn't there a filterthread or a way to put a compendium in front of the lens?
>Isn't there a filterthread or a way to put a compendium in front of the lens?
1. Compendium makes camer bulky (e.g. for nature documentaries)
2. Screwing in filters is no fun either (changing lenses of filter strength)
All slow and tedious for certain styles of filming. I have the AF100 and find it a key feature.
I know, I know. My question was more like a statement. You guys make it sound this camera is supposed to be professional tool that is seriously flawed... What did you expect for this kind of money?
Which 'pro' is going to shoot / follow focus @ f2.0 with a sensor this big, with lenses of E-mount quality as mentioned above? (adapted HQ lenses? Might just as well hang them in front of a pro camera) Productions that have the ambition to make pro-looking video aren't going to buy this nice little enthusiast camera. Professional videos are made in a slow and tedious manner.
Some of the remarks above sound a bit snobbish to me. Just my 2 cents, no offence intended, just trying to put this in perspective, of course you guys have a point, an ND-option would have been nice. So is an Alexa :-)
>Productions that have the ambition to make pro-looking video aren't going to buy this nice little enthusiast camera. Professional videos are made in a slow and tedious manner.
But those productions use Canon 5DII cameras (e.g. Dr. House).
>with lenses of E-mount quality as mentioned above?
No problem, there are many adapters available.
Last edited by ustein; 25th March 2011 at 04:41.
...adapted HQ lenses? Might just as well hang them in front of a pro camera...
I guess we have different ideas as to what kind of equipment comes into play when making professional video.
Kind regards, Peter
I think the point is that this camera is aimed at the Panny AF100, which has many of the features missing in this new Sony. The lack of ND is a major annoyance to those I've talked to, but, who knows, maybe the output will be good enough to ignore the omissions?
The ability to shoot with a shallow DOF has also been welcomed by many as a great opportunity. That doesn't mean that it has to be used all the time for any purpose, but when it's needed, now it's at least available, also for film makers that are on a limited budget.
What exactly is "lenses of E-mount quality"? The Zeiss Compact Primes (CP.2) are all available in m4/3 mount, and I'm sure there will be options available in NEX mount as well. At least if professional users don't find that the lack of ND filter (and possible other omissions that we haven't heard about yet) makes the Panasonic or other video cameras superior alternatives. And adapted lenses isn't always a bad alternative. They have been used in the movie industry more or less since the beginning of time.
>I guess we have different ideas as to what kind of equipment comes into play when making professional video.
Ok. What about this film?
They used HDSLRs for some scenes (had Philip Bloom as advisor)?
To me 'pro' in the movie industry (cinema, television drama, serious documentaries, etc) in general refers to 35 mm, 16 mm or high end video. Shallow DOF does not automatically mean a ticket to 'pro' level filming.
I just wanted to convey that this Sony, to me, looks nice considering the price level.
You're right, and IMHO nowadays there are not many high end productions either
Panasonic probably sees more potential in the m4/3 system than Sony does in the NEX, on all levels from snapshot holiday cameras to professional movies. While Panasonic has placed all bets on one mount, Sony, as usual, develops a whole little forest of alternatives. That in itself is a good reason to go with m4/3.
>Sony, as usual, develops a whole little forest of alternatives. That in itself is a good reason to go with m4/3.
Yes, but the FS100 is something interesting at least. The VG10 is really disappointing.
- If the sensor is better (seems to use the sensor of the F3). As said if and we don't know. This is very much all about the sensor.
- smaller form factor
- Codec to be seen
Overall to early to tell. This camera aims at the AF100 and the Canon HDSLRs at the same time. HDSLRs are only used because:
- cheap (for video)
- larger sensor with more filmic look
Last edited by ustein; 26th March 2011 at 20:14.
>It is nice that they still sell matte boxes with filter holders.
I can stack a few ND filters on front of the lens.
Yes. For me a matte box would be too much of a hassle (nature documentaries).
I think, if anything, this camera solidifies Sony's commitment to e-mount.
As for E lenses, while the current ones aren't world class, the quality of the upcoming primes may be. Besides, this video sensor is very low resolution, so how important is the sharpness? Plus, the mount is so adaptable that just about any lens will work.
>I think, if anything, this camera solidifies Sony's commitment to e-mount.
THink so too, pushed by Panasonic m43 and Canon 5DII. Sony loves to play the feature game. They give you just as much as they think they need to (protecting their higher end models). But then they can create cool designs.