This model has been discontinued for almost a year. It kept on selling until stocks are exhausted. It hasn't been available in this part of the world for quite a while now. Next question: when will be the turn of the A900?
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.....Now, if only it gets replaced by a full frame NEX,.....PLEASE Mr SONY!!
A full frame SLT with a pro-class body, 25-ish megapixels and great low-light would be a great replacement.
No wonder the prices have held up in the used market.
I do not need iso higher than 6400, huge mp counts, video, live view, gps, alarm clock, Internet browser, espresso machine... Etc. If they could concentrate on the above mentioned issues instead, areas where I feel important improvements can be done, I would be more than happy.
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Yes, that's a funny thing Edward: I did a model shoot for a brochure on the weekend and, somehow, the images were fantastic!
And I agree with all of your points, too, and 6400 ISO (like the D700) would be great. I love the fact that the A850 is a simple camera rather than a computer.
The A900 does work terribly well - mine's been sleeping recently whilst I've been play ing with new toys. I must wake it up and give it a shake!
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If you want one in the UK then Warehouseexpress still have them in stock.
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I guess one good thing about a FF SLT...it should have an on-board flash.
I know I'm the exception to the rule, but I like having that capability.
I like mine a lot but may have to sell it for other purchases so does this mean more value. LOL
Mine will most likely be up for sale. Let me know
Great camera - love it. If the A900 is replaced with an EVF I suspect the OVF cameras will creep up in value, since then the only alternatives to a used 900/850 will be the D3X or 5D2. And those are of no use if you have a cabinet full of Sony/Minolta glass...
Everyone here is making the assumption that the EVF will be terrible. This is not something we know at all. If the specs on the A77 are correct, the EVF will be like no EVF we've ever seen. Just for perspective, the 3mp viewfinder of the A77 will have more resolution than the HD tv in your living room. I'm sure that the next FF offering even with evf will be something close to "real life" resolution....
The voice of reason :-)
Second, it's not entirely about spatial resolution. There are also issues like response speed, color accuracy, etc.
That's not to say that I think it's impossible for an EVF to ever match an OVF -- but it is to say that 3MP alone doesn't guarantee that it'll be an improvement (or even anywhere close to as good). It might well be -- Sony certainly did a fine job in designing the 900 -- but it's not anywhere close to guaranteed (their current EVF cameras hardly seem like they even came from the same planet as the 900, not to mention the same company).
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I am hoping that there is one more OVF pro camera coming before the jump to EVF.
Canon would always introduce improvements in the consumer cameras first (Anyone remember the T-50, T-70, T-80 and T-90? All development predecessors to the EOS line of cameras and not all successful cameras, but the T-90 was fantastic, and a great workhorse camera for me, along with my older New F-1's), and after working out the details, would introduce them in the pro cameras (EOS-1 built on the success of the T-90). I seriously hope that Sony takes this approach with the a900/a850 replacement camera. Unfortunately, I have a feeling they will jump in with EVF before it's ready for prime-pro-time.
I switched from Canon (after having used Canon for close to 30 years!) because the OVF of the a900 was superior to any camera that Canon currently had, or has had as an offering for over a dozen years. What a refreshing camera to use (a900).
If Sony doesn't realize that many pros consider that to be one of the greatest differentiators of that camera, they may lose all the converts back to other systems by proving that the Sony solutions in the a900/a850 was a flash in the pan rather than the first in a line of consistent quality pro level products that builds on previous models. I believe that is fundamental to the success of a pro camera line from Canon or Nikon, (and previously Pentax and Minolta).
a900, a7r, FE 16-35, FE 70-200 Leica R lenses: 35 f/2, 50 f/2, 60 macro, Minolta 24mm, 35-70 f/4, Sony G 70-300
Too many people are willing to say "No ovf, I'm done" without giving the technology a chance. Personally, I'm optimistic.
Of course, I have a a900 so I can hedge my bets....
1. Colors, brightness of the EVF not true to reality
2. Disturbing lot of "idiot-lights"
3. Most importantly, just moving the camera left-right up-down gently when framing would result in double blurry view until the camera came to rest again.
I am not against EVF per se, but its present incarnation has little that I like. Looking through the A900 VF is a pure joy and stimulates me wanting to take a certain view and concentrate on looking carefully at details, with the A55 it was just the other way round I wanted to get it over as quickly as possible. But maybe I did not have enough time to benefit from some of the positive things. One thing for which it might be interesting, but I did not need it on my test-afternoon, is very critical focusing?
While I haven't held the a77 or looked through the viewfinder, I know (or at least it's rumored) that the resolution of the EFV is 3 times that of the a55. So right there is a significant difference between the cameras.
While it sound's like you might not like them, things like an artificial horizon, real live view (based on camera settings), and as you mention, critical focusing are things that no OVF can do.
As primarily a landscape shooter, a artificial horizon is something that I'm really looking forward to.
The "live view" of a EVF is of real benefit when working in low light situations.
As far as colors, brightness and "reality" with the amount of post processing that goes on these days, what's "reality" anyway? However, this is an entirely different topic....
I'm pretty good at keeping my camera horizontal and with most raw converters there is an easy way to straighten horizons without loosing anything significant (if it is just a small amount). But critical focusing, certainly of people, that is something that really interests me.
As far as critical focusing is concerned with OVFs, I've tried Nikon, Canon and Sony with adapted lenses, and Sony had the best out-of-the box viewfinder by FAR. I can actually manually focus with the stock focusing screen. The others were dismal failures...
My whole Sony system maybe up for sale come this week. If your thinking about buying 850 , 24-70, 200 High Speed 2.8 Minolta that is killer good. Flash and acessories. Keep you posted but eventually I have no oPtions but to sell it. New back is coming sometime but this does pain me as I think the best user cam out there.
Which do you prefer and why? A900 versus A850
Also I am considering the evf new camera. For how I like to use the Sony system I feel it may have an advantage for my work. I am a multi-hybrid user so the new technology I do welcome. If I was only using Sony system I would prefer the ovf camera.
Buying a Phase IQ 160 back so it's a money thing, my delta to upgrade is very high. I really like the Sony's a lot . Thinking for the occasional use maybe a 580. The Phase gear has to play a bigger role in my PR work type stuff but I do have the occasional need for just grip and grin stuff. My problem is i can't have both right now. The good news is i can do almost anything with my Phase gear and sensor plus in this area but sometimes it is just too massive and slow. My other issue is I NEED optical finders. The EVF stuff just does not work well for me. I'm in a catch 22 here. LOL
Now in all truth i personally think Sony in overall look of files is above the rest. I really like the Zeiss glass on it and love the rendering of the files . It's not crunchy like some others. The one big issue i see is sony getting away from optical finders and this will take out a lot of Pro shooters IMHO. The 850 to me represents the best ergo SHOOTERS cam out there. Very simple and logical layout that fits a shooters mind without a lot of BS going on.
I hope Sony is not giving up the OVF.
Even though I havent used much the A900 I admit that of all DSLRs (besides MF) its the one which delievers the best IQ for my taste.
I am still considering selling all my Nikon stuff and get some more lenses for the A900 (which I bought with a 24-70 used some time ago).
I prefer the handling of the Nikon and all those lens options. But pure IQ of the A900 and also the Zeiss 2470 is really strong .
Of course, they have been known to get it wrong, but not usually on stuff like this.
Like Quentin, mine's been in terrible conditions and always come up trumps.
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From Guy:After running the A850 alongside the D700 bodies and the D3s, and comparing files, that is the view I came to, as well. Dare I say it: more 'film like'—not in a tone curve kind of way, but in a 'I am looking at an image I really find appealing' kind of way. Shooting the same subjects in the studio with both cameras at the same time lets you say this kind of thing, I think.Now in all truth i personally think Sony in overall look of files is above the rest.
Now, could I tell images apart, if different subjects were shot with different bodies, and I didn't do the shooting? No, I don't think so, because pixel peeping is not how I see images (though, perhaps, that kind of inspection might reveal those differences).
When we 'see', it is a gestalt process; there are a huge number of variables being considered—some at the conscious, rational, compare this with that level, and a great many that are not at that surface level (like how one colour is reproduced compared to another in the same scene). A close comparison can reveal that neither camera reproduced the scene perfectly (we all see this all the time), but nonetheless, we prefer one over the other.
to etrigan: an articulated LCD can be weather sealed, to the best of my knowledge. I can't think of a specific example, but I am sure someone will, and the Olympus E-5 has one, and is 'water resistant' and I have seen videos of one being shot in a torrential downpour without any water entering).
Cheers to all, KL
I've seen the A850 listed as not weather sealed a few places, but I've yet to see any tests to confirm it, and I've yet to see or hear of any A850s having weather issues. I'd say both the A900 and A850 do well in bad weather.
I don't recall seeing Sony stating A900 as seal camera either or did Sony say that?
Sealed viewfinder optics and rubber gasket surrounds on all buttons, dials, and switches help resist the entry of dust and moisture into the camera, and allow for safe use in a wide range of environments."