Can we see some long shots, full size at f/3.5?
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NEX-7 problem with CZ85
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Vivek
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That is a long shot uhoh. I do not post full size pictures anywhere. You have to look for any images that I might have posted or post.
You seem to be stirring the pot on this, here and dpreview. Having used Canon and Nikon DSLR lenses in the past, my expectations for corner sharpness are not as high. I don't see this issue with Alpha lenses on the NEX being that big of a deal, which it appears everyone who are experiencing this are using. Luckily, I mainly use E lenses on my NEX-7 so this whole thing is a non-issue for me. Most buyers of the NEX-7 probably do not own Sony Alpha DSLRs so they probably will never experience this issue. Again, this appears to be a non-issue for most people. You can always wait for the NEX-7 with microlenses on the sensor.Nex-7 a bridge too far....
I had one ordered twice! TY god they were delayed. First time i just got a 5n. Second delay i just got cold feet
This issue is about to explode.
Samples which clearly show the issue would sure be nice.....
douglasf13
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I don't think Charlie is stirring the pot. We're all just trying to determine what and how bad the issue is. Initially the NEX-7 issues seemed to be with rangefinder lenses, but now Photozone is having issues with both Alpha and E-mount lenses on the NEX-7, so it applies to you as well.
Again, I have no problem with anyone being satisfied with their NEX-7 performance, but I think it's valid to investigate the difference between "excellent" and "good enough" in regards to the NEX-7's corner performance.
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Vivek
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I looked at the links you posted, Douglas.
Amusing.
Waardij: My suggestion to you is to stay out of that place. It was amazing to see how you were convinced that the 85/1.4 behaves poorly on the NEX-7. Your experience of the 8-16 Sigma zoom on the NEX-7 was just ignored.
Those threads read like some voodoo stuff.
Amusing.
Waardij: My suggestion to you is to stay out of that place. It was amazing to see how you were convinced that the 85/1.4 behaves poorly on the NEX-7. Your experience of the 8-16 Sigma zoom on the NEX-7 was just ignored.
Those threads read like some voodoo stuff.
douglasf13
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Not sure what you mean by amusing? Klaus does the testing for Photozone with Imatest, and his results so far are certainly interesting.I looked at the links you posted, Douglas.
Amusing.
Waardij: My suggestion to you is to stay out of that place. It was amazing to see how you were convinced that the 85/1.4 behaves poorly on the NEX-7. Your experience of the 8-16 Sigma zoom on the NEX-7 was just ignored.
Those threads read like some voodoo stuff.
when you have the chance please take hard look at edges wide open.
even by f/4 issue may be moot.
people who already have 7 say: ohh stiring pot.
I say why you care? Keep or sell based on performance. show wide open shots full size when possible with edge details.
people who have not yet taken delivery: eyes wide open.
that's only fair.
If this turns out to be nothing I will apologise for noticing the concern.
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Vivek
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Amusing because someone went and bought a camera, "tested" it, returned it, bought a second sample and is trying to sell it for 1000 euros.
In the EU there is a 2 year warranty. He should have reclaimed his money under warranty if it was faulty. He should have returned all his lenses too for a refund.
It was amazing that he would just ignore others saying what their experience was with their NEX-7 and lenses and instead plant poison on susceptible minds.
Voodoo.
PS: OTOH, if such rumors and insinuations bring down the prices of the 7, I will not be sad as I plan to pick up at least one more body.
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Vivek
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I use a few f/1.2 lenses and one f/0.95 on the 7. Soon, I hope to be shooting with a bunch of f/1 and faster lenses.
Seems like the 7 beats the 5N on per pixel sharpness. The crops at F4 are especially telling, the 7 is just so much more detailed.
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douglasf13
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I still don't understand your point. We're talking about one of the more notable lens testing sites in Photozone, and they use Imatest. It isn't as if it's a random forum poster eyeballing shots and saying, "nope, not sharp." Klaus got a second Nex-7 to test in order to make sure it wasn't sample variation or a defect, and he also used a couple of different Sony brands adapters.Amusing because someone went and bought a camera, "tested" it, returned it, bought a second sample and is trying to sell it for 1000 euros.
In the EU there is a 2 year warranty. He should have reclaimed his money under warranty if it was faulty. He should have returned all his lenses too for a refund.
It was amazing that he would just ignore others saying what their experience was with their NEX-7 and lenses and instead plant poison on susceptible minds.
Voodoo.
PS: OTOH, if such rumors and insinuations bring down the prices of the 7, I will not be sad as I plan to pick up at least one more body.
douglasf13
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I don't see that being the case at the pixel level. Either way, I'd love the extra resolution, even if it really takes tripod shooting to reap most of the benefits of it. I just want the resolution to be more even across the image field with my lenses.
douglasf13
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I believe that he's planning on doing a Photozone report on it.
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Vivek
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Voodoo at work.
There is no better way to explain it since several posters here are showing images with no such problems.
The tester has not shown any images and you or uhoh don't own the said camera.
douglasf13
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Waardij showed his own test in this very thread, Vivek. I have seen very few direct 5N vs. 7 edge comparisons on the Get Dpi forums.
I think the distinction to make here is "good" edges vs. "better" edges.
I think the distinction to make here is "good" edges vs. "better" edges.
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Vivek
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I read what happened to waardij's original posts in the links you provided. Flypen and waardij said that there are no problems. Waardij was made to doubt. Him saying that there wasn't a problem with the Sigma 8-16 was totally ignored.
Voodoo, man. And it is cooking up "sensor effects". LOL.
Voodoo, man. And it is cooking up "sensor effects". LOL.
Bugleone
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Waardij has not even labled his frames and both were apparently made at f1.4 to 100x,...this shows nothing that is meaningfull. Over the last 30+ years I have seen all kinds of lens phenomena at max apertures that's why it's normal for critical work to stop down to the optimum of the lens. It is commonly seen that digtal sensors behave differently (sometimes even with equal pixel density) and looking at 100x corners shot at f1.4 and casually posted on forums is hardly enough 'evidence' to damn a camera like this....
.....I'm not a NEX 7 user nor do I expect to be for some time, it at all, but this is hardly 'fair'.
.....I'm not a NEX 7 user nor do I expect to be for some time, it at all, but this is hardly 'fair'.