Shashin
Well-known member
Uh, wide-angle lens? The RX1 is kind of stuck with that...
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Steen
Senior Subscriber Member
Ah, of course you are right, Shashin, I thought they were using the same focal lenght in the test set-up, my bad :facesmack:
Here's finally a crop that illustrates the exact focus plane of the Sony SLT camera with pin sharp dust speckles.
Summa summarum: four competent cameras with regards to Image Quality, just go with the one with the handling you like the best (or the one you already have lenses for)
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Vivek
Guest
That is one of the much debated issues (wrt to price) in that the Rx1 comes with a lens.Summa summarum: four competent cameras with regards to Image Quality, just go with the one with the handling you like the best (or the one you already have lenses for)
ptomsu
Workshop Member
I think the issue with Dpreview and their sample photos is that they are using different focal lengths on different cameras plus they do not focus always on the same spot. If they would let us know where they focus exactly, these samples would be more telling.
Ah, of course you are right, Shashin, I thought they were using the same focal lenght in the test set-up, my bad :facesmack:
Here's finally a crop that illustrates the exact focus plane of the Sony SLT camera with pin sharp dust speckles.
Summa summarum: four competent cameras with regards to Image Quality, just go with the one with the handling you like the best (or the one you already have lenses for)
Steen
Senior Subscriber Member
(...) the Rx1 comes with a lens.
Minor problem, Vivek, I'm sure you could quickly fix that
Shashin
Well-known member
LOL
It seems we can't keep what we dislike about the RX1 straight. :ROTFL:
BTW, there is a large 3" viewfinder built into the camera on the back.
And two other viewfinder you can add to it as well. Not bad for a camera with no viewfinder. 
Shashin
Well-known member
Scroll down, there are full-size images comparing the RX1 with an M9 and 35mm Cron:I wonder how RX1 will stack up against new M? 10K, couple months, and we'll know...
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This is a link to the Japanese site Digi Came Watch (DC Watch). There are ISO samples and correction samples as well.
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Funny, I'm actually with Peter on this one and if one throws the XPro1 in the mix the smaller sensor looks like the winner. Even the OMD looks better IMHO, at least up to iso 1600.I'm not sure what ptomsu is smoking either but I looked at those images and concluded just the opposite. It even beat out the XPRO1. I would suggest maybe one of needed glasses but I was wearing mine.
ptomsu
Workshop Member
Obviously some like to see things through pink glasses
we do not But wait, we should consider that the RX1 has only a fixed lens which is optimized for it's sensor so how could it achieve better results than ICL cameras - LOL
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Steen
Senior Subscriber Member
You are not alone, Yat, I see that too.
My first reaction was to think that the Canon looked sharp and contrasty all over the frame, but then I started to notice that it looked a bit harsh in the rendering, which probably just has to do with the camera settings for sharpness and contrast.
Add to that the choices of lenses for the test shots and I reach the same conclusion as Philber when he says:
"It strengthens my belief that I can only get to know what a camera or lens can do for me by actually shooting it. To many unknowns otherwise"
So true, Philber, I will cross stitch that sentence :thumbup:
Steen
Senior Subscriber Member
Shashin wrote:
>> It seems we can't keep what we dislike about the RX1 straight
On the contrary, Shashin, for me that's an easy one, because personally I only miss 2 basic things to regard it as no less than the prototype of the high-end camera of tomorrow: a built-in viewfinder and a mount for interchangeable lenses.
(Marc has also mentioned the need for a sync port, but that's not a crucial part for my personal use).
I did not forget that the RX1 is a fixed lens camera, see this last line in my initial post # 313: "As an example I can make the fixed lens Sony look good by choosing this crop ... "
My silly mistake was that I imagined they had put similar 35mm focal length optics on the three system cameras as well for the comparison.
But of course you are right that these test target shots are made totally independent of, and isolated from, each other (and for system cameras probably usually with ~ 50mm normal lenses or something like that).
Our present comparison selection was just put together for the purpose here (by Peter in the first place).
And with regards to viewfinders: I'm an old dog from the days where a built-in eyelevel viewfinder was a given on a 35mm format camera.
For me the viewfinder is almost the single most important part of a camera because it is what I use to imagine and make the picture.
Luckily there are no obligations here so you can feel free to regard the display as a viewfinder. "What is in a name?"
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Vivek
Guest
After a lot of internal discussions, I have cancelled my pre-order just as the Rx1 is about to become available.
I see one real use for the Rx-1 (in terms of imaging capability, usability is still very limited)- low light street. Other than that, I can also foresee this sitting unused for months, much like the NEX-5.
I am thinking of placing a pre-order for the Leica M to use the lenses and accessories I already have (and sure to accumulate in the near future). I think that would be more versatile for my use.
I see one real use for the Rx-1 (in terms of imaging capability, usability is still very limited)- low light street. Other than that, I can also foresee this sitting unused for months, much like the NEX-5.
I am thinking of placing a pre-order for the Leica M to use the lenses and accessories I already have (and sure to accumulate in the near future). I think that would be more versatile for my use.
ptomsu
Workshop Member
++1 from my side!
Did the same WRT Leica M and will then again start using my currently unused M glass I have already!
I the future brings a Sony Rxyz system with ICL and integrated EVF then I might reconsider if there are certain advantages like precise and reliable AF. But definitely no desire to become one of the early adopters here!
Shashin
Well-known member
And the camera is not for you and that is fine. I just don't understand the general vitriol out there for this camera--and I am not speaking of your post, but the general tone around the web. I don't want a sports car, but that does not mean I have to then denigrate sports cars and their manufacturers. And some around the web have upped the rhetoric by saying only idiots would buy this. It almost sounds like this is the only camera in the world and Sony has taken away your birthday. Personally, there are many camera I would never purchase, but they are fine cameras. I simply don't buy them and sleep really well at night.
But the point of my post was that I found it funny that folks have been very upset that this camera has a fixed lens, but then never consider this when looking at test results. But then again, folks have a really hard time with interpreting data.
Steen
Senior Subscriber Member
I admire innovative Sony for going this route, Shashin, they are so close to the camera concept of tomorrow we all dream about (or at least many of us), I believe.
A few basic features still missing in my personal humble opinion, but they (Sony) are getting so close that I would put my money on Sony getting there first.
In my opinion the RX1 is one of the two most interesting cameras (and surprises) released in 2012, I bought the other one (a classic DSLR of 'yesterday' so to say) but that's not relevant here.
If people are disappointed and react in negative ways I can only think of two reasons in general: the lack of a system mount, and maybe the price level.
In other words if they react with vitriol it's probably because they want the full featured autofocus mirrorless FF system camera so much (and hope for it at a somewhat affordable price)
I apologize if at any point I have sounded negative, not my intention, but you are right that for me this version is not quite there yet but I'm very much looking forward to the next RXx model.
Progress goes on. Go, Sony, go.