ptomsu
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I quite agree! RF of the M is great and maybe the far best RF ever built. But hey, an excellent and high quality built in EVF is definitely the future - except for the Leica RF dinosaurs slowly dying out.
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Vivek
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Vivek, what do you mean by "minor mods"? - JohnBTW, I have been checking out how the E mount lenses would do on a FF.
Most would need minor mods.
The biggest bargain at the moment appears to be the Sony/Zeiss 24/1.8.
I have to locate the 50/1.8 but am confident that also would be OK.
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Vivek
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Hi John, The baffle at the mount (a thin plastic ring in case of the 24/1.8) has to go. I am going to keep it first to try with it on the A7r and then trim it.
This baffle vignette is very obvious in case of the 30/3.5 Macro as it has a rectangular shaped one.
If you ask me, I think the M body/M lens combination will be less bulky. At least easier to carry hung with a strap or to fit in a small bag comparing to the A7/M-lens combo. That VF back extension looks suspiciously uncomfortable.
Eduardo
PS Wait a minute. I just realize this camera is a film body. The digital M is a lot fatter.
Eduardo
PS Wait a minute. I just realize this camera is a film body. The digital M is a lot fatter.
K-H, As mentioned (http://www.getdpi.com/forum/542168-post1.html), GG = Ground Glass.
Here (from mirrorlessrumors) someone compares Leica M with the A7/r.
Jorgen Udvang
Subscriber Member
I don't understand the "Leica will die" and "Only dinosaurs use Leica rangefinders" theories.
A friend of mine has a Mercedes Benz C55. "C55" basically means that it's a C-Class Mercedes with a twin turbo AMG 5.5 litre V8 engine. It's as fast as a Ferrari, cheaper to buy, cheaper to run, much more reliable, much more practical etc. There have been AMG versions of Mercedes Benz available since the late sixties. Has that sent Ferrari into bankruptcy? Nope. Other things almost did, but not the AMG. Ferrari is a totally different experience.
As is Leica. Objectively, the new Sonys may be better cameras, but I don't believe that will have much negative impact for Leica. What it may do is to send some Leica users back towards more conservative models, like the M9 and the MM. Then there are lenses. Any chance that there will be a Zeiss 21mm f/1.4 for the Sony soon? Or a Zeiss designed, Sony manufactured Noct equivalent? I would say the chances are approaching zero for that. So people still have to queue up to get the real exotic glass, just like they would have to queue up for the latest Ferrari.
I hope the new Sony cameras will be very successful, and if they develop into a sustainable system, I might consider buying one, but that wouldn't prevent me from buying a Leica too. If I had the money. Which I don't
A friend of mine has a Mercedes Benz C55. "C55" basically means that it's a C-Class Mercedes with a twin turbo AMG 5.5 litre V8 engine. It's as fast as a Ferrari, cheaper to buy, cheaper to run, much more reliable, much more practical etc. There have been AMG versions of Mercedes Benz available since the late sixties. Has that sent Ferrari into bankruptcy? Nope. Other things almost did, but not the AMG. Ferrari is a totally different experience.
As is Leica. Objectively, the new Sonys may be better cameras, but I don't believe that will have much negative impact for Leica. What it may do is to send some Leica users back towards more conservative models, like the M9 and the MM. Then there are lenses. Any chance that there will be a Zeiss 21mm f/1.4 for the Sony soon? Or a Zeiss designed, Sony manufactured Noct equivalent? I would say the chances are approaching zero for that. So people still have to queue up to get the real exotic glass, just like they would have to queue up for the latest Ferrari.
I hope the new Sony cameras will be very successful, and if they develop into a sustainable system, I might consider buying one, but that wouldn't prevent me from buying a Leica too. If I had the money. Which I don't
Michiel Schierbeek
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Hi Jorgen
Never said Leica will die
They will sell more Leica M lenses then ever before
Never said Leica will die
They will sell more Leica M lenses then ever before
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Vivek
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" Any chance that there will be a Zeiss 21mm f/1.4 for the Sony soon? Or a Zeiss designed, Sony manufactured Noct equivalent? "
Why make some of the most bought/sold lenses?
We have eBay or the FS section here.
Why make some of the most bought/sold lenses?
We have eBay or the FS section here.
Jorgen Udvang
Subscriber Member
Somebody said the Leica users are dying. I don't think they are. Most of the Leica users I meet here in Thailand are young people who often start with an M3 and develop from there. There's an enormous developing market for classic style cameras in Asia.Hi Jorgen
Never said Leica will die
They will sell more Leica M lenses then ever before
Vivek,
Sony is selling electronic gadgets, Leica is selling dreams. Lenses like the 21 Lux and 50 Noct are, apart from being great lenses, very important parts of that dream. A Zeiss/Sony 35mm f/2.8 is nice, I'm sure, but it's not something that will keep enthusiasts awake at night
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Vivek
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You nailed it!Vivek,
Sony is selling electronic gadgets, Leica is selling dreams. Lenses like the 21 Lux and 50 Noct are, apart from being great lenses, very important parts of that dream. A Zeiss/Sony 35mm f/2.8 is nice, I'm sure, but it's not something that will keep enthusiasts awake at night
That is why Leica will never die.
BTW, it takes a Leica nut to say that Leica will be dead. The passions involved are such! Fatal attraction!
Michiel Schierbeek
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Michiel Schierbeek
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Not really fair to compare E-M1 (30 grams heavyer then the A7), a sturdy flagship pro camera, and conclude there is no advantage for M4/3 size wise. There are smaller M4/3 camera's out there.
Not to speak of the lenses.
Not to speak of the lenses.
iiiNelson
Well-known member
Yeah it looks good and the Zeiss 24-70/4 doesn't look too bad IF that is in fact it. I don't know why the Zeiss 70-200 is in Sony G guise (if it's real) and not Black like the other Zeiss lenses. I'm interested in seeing what the 55/1.8 is like as well.
Michiel Schierbeek
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Yes, I don't like white lenses either. Never saw a white lens made by Zeiss before.
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Vivek
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Here is proof that there are advantages (size wise):
Here is the image of the Zeiss Sonnar 55mm f/1.8 FE lens for the A7-A7r | Mirrorless Rumors
That beast is shown without its hood!
This looks like the future and the end of mirrors flapping up and down.
Mind you I'm a sucker for Zeiss lenses since my Contax days so that is a major part of my viewpoint.
Currently I'm content in Fujiland but this is the only camera I've seen that could pull me in another direction
David
Mind you I'm a sucker for Zeiss lenses since my Contax days so that is a major part of my viewpoint.
Currently I'm content in Fujiland but this is the only camera I've seen that could pull me in another direction
David
iiiNelson
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I don't mind them per se. I definitely prefer something that doesn't stand out given the choice but I'm pretty sure that "Zeiss FE 70-200/4" shown is a Sony G lens.