check first for magenta casting on certain wide angle M mount lens before sinking money into the a7r
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A7 or A7r
- Thread starter roanjoh
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check first for magenta casting on certain wide angle M mount lens before sinking money into the a7r
Love the electronic first curtain implemented on my 5n. It takes a bit to get used to ,but then it just sounds right. Best of all, the shutter response is almost instantaneous using the electronic first curtain. Wonder what the response of the a7r will be.
It is a worry if M lens behave like the nex7, as we all know the proven better performing Sony with M lens is the Nex 5n, 5r or 5t. If the nex6 has the same config as the 5 series, then, ti too will handle wide angle M glass with ease.
Guy Mancuso
Administrator, Instructor
You can shoot LCC as tech cam users do to elevate the color casts. Its a extra shooting step but does work very effectively.
Don Libby
Well-known member
The 7R is looking very good right now especially when thinking of using Canon lenses we already have. As much as Sandy & I like the 1dsIII it is getting past its prime in weight (weighs a ton). Sandy just spent the past month shooting nothing but the Nex7 and liked the weight difference. Being able to hike a couple miles with a very light weight body makes all the difference. The price isn't that bad either when you consider the cost of the 1dsIII when new was about triple that of the 7R.
As much as this looks good we're holding off just a little bit longer in order to let the dust settle and get the early bugs worked out at the same time hoping (but not holding our breath) that Canon will wake up.
Then again every time I think of adding yet a new camera I keep hoping that the new improved Phase camera thats been promised will eventually show its face.
As much as this looks good we're holding off just a little bit longer in order to let the dust settle and get the early bugs worked out at the same time hoping (but not holding our breath) that Canon will wake up.
Then again every time I think of adding yet a new camera I keep hoping that the new improved Phase camera thats been promised will eventually show its face.
k-hawinkler
Well-known member
Bart,
That's the reason I am getting the A7R: R lenses.
If it also does M lenses well, that's gravy.
It actually might for most of mine, maybe even for the WATE.
Hopefully we will see reviews soon clarifying these issues.
Hold the phone ... I changed my mind.
I'm waiting for the Hasselblad Lunatic version with a grip hacked out of Walrus tusk and Hippo foreskin covering.
If a camera isn't $9K, it isn't worth the money.
- Marc
(On a serious note, I hope this isn't what Hasselblad meant when they said something unique is coming this Spring).
I'm waiting for the Hasselblad Lunatic version with a grip hacked out of Walrus tusk and Hippo foreskin covering.
If a camera isn't $9K, it isn't worth the money.
- Marc
(On a serious note, I hope this isn't what Hasselblad meant when they said something unique is coming this Spring).
Knorp
Well-known member
The last one I know off from Sweden who was funny was a cook ...Hold the phone ... I changed my mind.
I'm waiting for the Hasselblad Lunatic version with a grip hacked out of Walrus tusk and Hippo foreskin covering.
If a camera isn't $9K, it isn't worth the money.
- Marc
(On a serious note, I hope this isn't what Hasselblad meant when they said something unique is coming this Spring).
[My sincere apologies to all funny Swedes
] Kind regards.
iiiNelson
Well-known member
Yeah but worse case I can still do black and whites and I will still have my M9 soooo...
If I got one it would be the 7r, for the mega pixels. I don't really need it, but 24MP doesn't offer me enough over what I've got that the way the native lenses for it are shaping up, you won't be buying it for low light shooting. (DLSRs offer more fast glass) It will be interesting to see how the lenses perform. I've got to say Sony did a nice job getting it into such a small body.
Yeah Guy, who would have thunk it ... 36 meg in the palm of your hand.
Of course, if you think about it, it was probably inevitable ... Sony sells sensors to Nikon, waits a bit then uses that meg count to their own ends.
I just didn't think it'd be in a camera this small ... but that was probably inevitable also ... Sony is the one that's been pushing the envelope on big performance in a small package.
I wonder if they'll put the big sensor in an A99 type camera, or maybe the A99 SLT is the last of its kind?
Next step, no mechanical shutter, and there you have it.
- Marc
jonoslack
Active member
Hi There
Well - I can see the attraction of the A7 . . . but hey, 24mp with an AA filter isn't going to be that different from 16 without . . . . and the E-M1 has IS and lots of lenses.
So it's the A7r for me (if any - I still want confirmation about M lenses - and I'd like to know if the f4 zoom is up to scratch.
Well - I can see the attraction of the A7 . . . but hey, 24mp with an AA filter isn't going to be that different from 16 without . . . . and the E-M1 has IS and lots of lenses.
So it's the A7r for me (if any - I still want confirmation about M lenses - and I'd like to know if the f4 zoom is up to scratch.
Well, we already know a M50mm works ... he used one in the video to show the 36 meg resolution.
I re-read the Sony propaganda on the B&H site, and this a totally new sensor design with gapless on-chip sensor-lenses optimally positioned to accommodate the sharper angle of light from the periphery, thus releasing corner-to-corner performance with shorter flange distance E mount lenses. Sounds similar to how Leica solved the same issue.
How well it handles really wide lenses will be the question ... but they are offering a 24-70, so 24mm must be okay.
This sounds like the a7 doesn't use the same on-sensor micro-lens design as the a7r
"Differing from the Sony Alpha a7, the Alpha a7R with its omitted low-pass filter, gapless lens design sensor and contrast-detection AF provides the utmost in high-resolution, finely detailed capture".
-Marc
jonoslack
Active member
HI Marc
I agree it looks good, but the fact that the 24 zoom works doesn't really mean much - it's fairly big, and will have an exit much further from the sensor.
Mind you, I'm not planning on this as even a backup for an M - I still love rangefinder shooting, and this ain't it!
all the best
V
Vivek
Guest
Marc, You may also want to check out the LA4 Sony adapter. Apparently, A mount lenses focus FASTER with it than on the A99!
See (also Sony proxy propaganda): Field Test: Sony A7R l Brian Smith Pictures
Agreed, and we have talked about this before ...a rangefinder, is a rangefinder, is a rangefinder.
And for me, it is the M Monochrome. Done. Couldn't be happier.
I just wouldn't mind something small to use the M lenses I already own for a few color snaps here and there ... and a $7,000 Leica M240 isn't it
I just pre-ordered the a7r ... Now I don't have to settle for one of those APSc Leica knock-offs.
Hope they ship it before I go on Winter vacation :thumbs:
- Marc
V
Vivek
Guest
That is an useful thought.
As long as it is landscape, few lenses and such, I can see why it might be worth the effort to build profiles but with very portable cams like the A7r and the infinite lens possibilities, it goes in to a different realm.
Also, this still is a mid level camera from Sony (they say so in their website).
Thanks Vivek! Appreciate it.
That's good to know because in the video above he said it was slow but sure AF with Sony A mount lenses ... but I'll bet he was using the LA-EA3, NOT the LA-EA4 AND ... I think he was using a SAM AF lens not the SSM (Super Sonic Wave Motor) Sony G or Zeiss ZA lenses.
My A99 AF is pretty damned fast using SSM lenses and the camera set to speed priority, so this feed back from Brian Smith is good news. Nice back-up to the A99 for event work, and presents some interesting possibilities for other applications @ 36 meg.
Actually, my expectations from Sony seem higher than yours, but that has been based on the A900 and A99 experiences under pretty demanding conditions like weddings and events. So far so good, so we'll see how it goes with this camera.
- Marc
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Vivek
Guest
Hi Marc, Did not mean to sound negative at all. I like the progress Sony have made and appreciate it (with my small wallet as well).
However, there are a host of issues already- the shutter (no electronic first curtain shutter in A7r while apparently it is available in A7- it makes huge difference), start up times (apparently ~2-3 s for the A7r) and the like. I hope that such issues will be taken care of by the time the camera reaches me or via a firmware update ( Sony aren't all that great coming with FW updates). Hence the reservations despite all the excitement.
However, there are a host of issues already- the shutter (no electronic first curtain shutter in A7r while apparently it is available in A7- it makes huge difference), start up times (apparently ~2-3 s for the A7r) and the like. I hope that such issues will be taken care of by the time the camera reaches me or via a firmware update ( Sony aren't all that great coming with FW updates). Hence the reservations despite all the excitement.
MGrayson
Subscriber and Workshop Member
Actually, if the lens doesn't shift or tilt, you can shoot one series of LCCs (one for each f-stop) and use them for all your shots. I've done this with the M9 for vignetting, although it is a very minor problem compared with tech cameras.
LCC - restoring that slow, contemplative pace so prized by photographers...:ROTFL:
--Matt
LCC - restoring that slow, contemplative pace so prized by photographers...:ROTFL:
--Matt