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    Re: Fun with the Sony A7 Series Cameras( all of them)

    Was fortunate to have a friend take us sailing on Saturday.

    Not many stills, but took a lot of video with the Sony A7s, and a rented Nebula 4000 lite 3-axis gimbal.
    Not the best gimbal, but now I am hooked.. probably buy one in the next few months..

    One of the few Sony stills (Leica ones in the appropriate thread/forum :-) )


    If you don't mind, here's a link to a video shot with the Sony A7s - https://vimeo.com/135207599
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    Night shot with the FD 50mm f/1.4 and a dose of Analog Efex Pro 2:


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    I asked this young man at a museum (Hyderabad, India) for a photo. He was a bit surprised but obliged.

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    A selfie moment from the same area.

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    Taken at Malpas, Nr Truro...Platinum toned.



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    Classic pebble beach scene.
    (The place to be when it is hot )

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barry Haines View Post
    Taken at Malpas, Nr Truro...Platinum toned.



    Very nice, Barry. Like the Platinum toning.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Quentin_Bargate View Post
    Very nice, Barry. Like the Platinum toning.
    Many thanks Quentin, likewise I have been enjoying your A7RII images in the East End of London...Processed beautifully as usual
    The camera does look to be a significant step up on the A7R in so many departments that I am having a very hard time resisting it at the moment!...Thank you for all the time that you have put in to answering all of our outstanding queries and download links as it can be quite time consuming being the earliest adopter of a new camera...Cheers Barry
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    Quote Originally Posted by Barry Haines View Post
    Taken at Malpas, Nr Truro...Platinum toned.



    Wow! That's just pure beauty!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Quentin_Bargate View Post

    "My subjective view is the sensor has very low noise and very good dynamic range, better than any other I have used"
    Looks like this guy agrees with me:

    Sony A7Rii compared with Sony A7R and Canon 5DSr - On Landscape
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    Wow! That's just pure beauty!
    Thank you Alex
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    Anna's Hummingbird








    a7II, Canon FD 500mm f/4.5 L, extension tube
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    Quote Originally Posted by doug View Post
    Anna's Hummingbird








    a7II, Canon FD 500mm f/4.5 L, extension tube

    Doug, terrific shots. Have you given up on your Leica setup?
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    Quote Originally Posted by k-hawinkler View Post
    Doug, terrific shots. Have you given up on your Leica setup?
    I'm not sure I've given up yet, certainly the R8/DMR is getting a lot less use since I bought the Sony. The weight of the Leica equipment was the primary motivation; the a7ii with FD 500 weighs less than the R8/DMR with 280/4 APO. I have an adapter for R lenses, it remains to be seen how much I'll use the 280. As much as I love the 280's image quality its weight has been keeping me from taking it into the field.

    Doesn't hurt that the Sony can use a LOT more lenses, and much less costly lenses, than the R8/DMR can.
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    Here's my first post.
    A7S Contax/Yashica 85/1.4 WO

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    Rolls Royce Bristol Thor ramjet engine on top of a Bloodhound missile on display at the RAF Radar Museum at Neatishead.

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    [QUOTE=teeraash;652826]Here's my first post.

    ....

    Then all I can say is - make sure it is not you're last! Super shot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Barry Haines View Post
    Many thanks Quentin, likewise I have been enjoying your A7RII images in the East End of London...Processed beautifully as usual
    The camera does look to be a significant step up on the A7R in so many departments that I am having a very hard time resisting it at the moment!...Thank you for all the time that you have put in to answering all of our outstanding queries and download links as it can be quite time consuming being the earliest adopter of a new camera...Cheers Barry
    Thanks, Barry

    I am currently engaged in an internal struggle. The one camera that has given me the most satisfaction over the last few years is the Sigma DP2 Merrill, and to a lesser extent its siblings. But that camera is very limited in regard to high ISO. But one of the things it shines at is fine discrimination of colour and texture.

    Now logically the Sony A7RII blows it out of the water - even assuming some measure of superiority for the the Foveon sensor in the Merrill. A guy on the LuLa forum says his tests show that the high ISO performance of the A7RII may have been achieved at the expense of nuanced colour rendition. That worries me a little, if true. Probably not enough to make me quit the new A7RII but enough to keep a Merrill handy!
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    Thanks, Barry

    I am currently engaged in an internal struggle. The one camera that has given me the most satisfaction over the last few years is the Sigma DP2 Merrill, and to a lesser extent its siblings. But that camera is very limited in regard to high ISO. But one of the things it shines at is fine discrimination of colour and texture.

    Now logically the Sony A7RII blows it out of the water - even assuming some measure of superiority for the the Foveon sensor in the Merrill. A guy on the LuLa forum says his tests show that the high ISO performance of the A7RII may have been achieved at the expense of nuanced colour rendition. That worries me a little, if true. Probably not enough to make me quit the new A7RII but enough to keep a Merrill handy!
    Hi Quentin, I think the very nature of the Foveon type sensor (3 layers) is always going to show an advantage, albeit perhaps a slight advantage in terms of colour rendition at base ISO's Vs a regular CMOS or BSI CMOS sensor at base ISO's.
    The Foveon sensor Achilles heel is the increased noise at higher ISO's...If you need neutral accurate colour for record photography purposes then the wise thing to do is probably keep the pocketable DP2M if only to see how far the current and future Sony A7's stray somewhat from the truth in terms of their colour response
    Personally I wouldn't lose any sleep over it but then I'm probably not the best person to ask as hardly any of my images represent an accurate rendition of what's in front of any of my lenses
    But...
    If it came down to a battle of better colours but with increased noise (DP2M) at high ISO's Vs lower noise with very slightly distorted colours (A7RII) at high ISO's...The A7RII would win hands down personally for me.
    The A7RII would be perfect for me with all those whacky colours
    My internal struggle is altogether different - I'm currently trying not to press the BIN
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    A7rII & 55mm.

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    And with the Nikon f1.4 58mm.

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    Retow, that 58/1.4 looks sharper than ever!
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    Enjoy seeing all these images!!! Thanks. My A7rII hopefully should arrive tomorrow and my fabulous incredible new Zeiss 35mm 1.4 will go on it! Will be driving over the high Trail Ridge Road tomorrow in Rocky Mountain National Park and hope to get some shots there ...hoping for good light. Eleanor

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    Quentin, speaking of handling....I currently have the A7r and for me personally it has the worst eyecup I've ever had.....(i.e.: hard as a rock with no cushion at all). Does the A7rII have any cushion on the eyecup at all? All my others cameras have always cushioned nicely against my eye and face. Thanks, Eleanor

    Quote Originally Posted by Quentin_Bargate View Post
    to be honest, I never liked the handling of the A7R. It also felt a bit soulless - a camera to respect rather than love. Im going to see if love blossoms with the A7RII over the coming days and weeks In image quality terms, its winner. Handling - well, that's more subjective.

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    I think this is the camera that will definitely bring many unfamiliar to Sony over. With that being said I think it's important to mention the learning curve that many will have to adjust to with Sony cameras - I HIGHLY RECOMMEND COMING TO TERMS WITH EXPOSING TOWARDS THE LEFT OF CENTER... PLEASE!!!

    Generally it's very easy to bring up shadow detail in Sony cameras. It's also very easy to blow highlights all the way out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HiredArm View Post
    I think this is the camera that will definitely bring many unfamiliar to Sony over. With that being said I think it's important to mention the learning curve that many will have to adjust to with Sony cameras - I HIGHLY RECOMMEND COMING TO TERMS WITH EXPOSING TOWARDS THE LEFT OF CENTER... PLEASE!!!

    Generally it's very easy to bring up shadow detail in Sony cameras. It's also very easy to blow highlights all the way out.


    ETTC, no?
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    ETTC, no?
    I've always found it best to slightly underexpose with Sony cameras that I've owned since the NEX-5 on.
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    Eleanor

    Yes, it has a rubber eye cup!
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    Thanks Quentin, but does it have any "cushion" in the rubber at all? My A7r eyecup is rubber but has no cushion and hard as a rock. Very uncomfortable for me to hold comfortably against my eye area. thanks again, eleanor

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    Yes, it has a rubber eye cup!

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    Busy Streets!

    London, junction of Commercial Street and Hanbury Street, by Spitalfields.

    A7RII, 35mm F/2.8, ISO3,200

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quentin_Bargate View Post
    Silent shooting mode - which I have just tried - is completely silent, but can only be used in single shot mode.
    It is like the A7s. Could lead to stark banding under fluoresent light.

    If you have not seen this already, it is worth a read:


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    Vivek, I did not look at that article but every digital camera I have ever owned will show 60cycle banding with fluorescent lighting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eleanorbrown View Post
    Thanks Quentin, but does it have any "cushion" in the rubber at all? My A7r eyecup is rubber but has no cushion and hard as a rock. Very uncomfortable for me to hold comfortably against my eye area. thanks again, eleanor
    It's not well cushioned...hard-ish, especially at the top.
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    I was just asked what I thought.

    Buy 2 of them while you got the chance. Its better than we thought . The DR on it is scary. Here is the bottom line , it just freaking works as it should. Processing a few files now
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim DE View Post
    Vivek, I did not look at that article but every digital camera I have ever owned will show 60cycle banding with fluorescent lighting.
    Jim, Two differnt things in that post. Every A7s owner would agree with my personal experience with banding under fluoresent light (single, to be specific) and silent shutter mode. The banding is ABSENT when the camera is switched to EFCS.

    The other thing is about 12bit vs 14bit- that I agree with.

    Basically, the silent shutter, though a very useful feature, has its limitations which are not minor.
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    Okay I went outside the house at noon, Biggest mistake of all time. Cranking 111 out there which is not fit for snakes never mind human beings. I did not last to long but did get a few off. I started here first. LOL



    Than I wound up in a bar

    ISO 3200



    ISO 3200

    Than I ordered some lunch. Not a very productive day




    Okay I have more but the key above if you did not catch on was ISO 3200 is seriously a very clean file
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    This maybe all you need to know. Normal shot with a 15mm VC





    You say you want more Dynamic Range in your files. Folks this is the worst light on the planet and I can save it with one small stroke of a slider




    Go ahead your allowed to scream . Holy **** hot damn and anything else you can think of.
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    Quentin If you still have any 'legacy' wide angle M-fit lenses, and have the time, I'd be very curious to read your thoughts on their a7RII behaviour. [Particularly if you still have the Zeiss ZM 35mm f2.8 C-Biogon].

    Thank you for your posts so far.

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    In all seriousness which I know you all have a hard time believing me this does rock. Obviously though not enough shooting time and Im heading out in the morning than running some tests this weekend in Flagstaff where it is much cooler. I will say this, a lot of us have struggled with various issues with the 7 series and maybe we all jumped in too soon on it. Somedays it felt like that with not enough glass, support and pesky issues that made you work your tail off. But in the end we got great files. I can promise you this , your not having to have to work so hard this time. Everything just feels so bloody nice and smooth. Feels like you took a tranquilizer using it, just everything feels more like butter than churning it. Lots to test and lots to get through but we need to stand up and at least give Sony a shout out.
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    Even harder getting the highlights down





    So the DR is certainly there and even better in my mind than the A7r
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    Who wants to buy an excellent condition D810? Kidding. No, I'm not. Yes, I am...
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    Well I probably already pissed off the Leica folks, Nikon is next. Do it
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    Re: Fun with sony A7RII images

    Bit worried about your diet, Guy, but have to agree


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    Okay I went outside the house at noon, Biggest mistake of all time. Cranking 111 out there which is not fit for snakes never mind human beings. I did not last to long but did get a few off. I started here first. LOL



    Than I wound up in a bar

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    Than I ordered some lunch. Not a very productive day




    Okay I have more but the key above if you did not catch on was ISO 3200 is seriously a very clean file
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    Batis 85 at 2.5



    VC 15mm at F8

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    Re: Fun with sony A7RII images

    Guy I will be interested to hear how you think these new Sony A7rII files at base iso of 100 compare to the tonal and color transitions, creamy smoothness, etc. of medium format Phase One files. Thanks! Eleanor

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    In all seriousness which I know you all have a hard time believing me this does rock. Obviously though not enough shooting time and Im heading out in the morning than running some tests this weekend in Flagstaff where it is much cooler. I will say this, a lot of us have struggled with various issues with the 7 series and maybe we all jumped in too soon on it. Somedays it felt like that with not enough glass, support and pesky issues that made you work your tail off. But in the end we got great files. I can promise you this , your not having to have to work so hard this time. Everything just feels so bloody nice and smooth. Feels like you took a tranquilizer using it, just everything feels more like butter than churning it. Lots to test and lots to get through but we need to stand up and at least give Sony a shout out.

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    Thx for that question, Eleanor!

    Guy, I'm impressed by corner sharpness of the ultra wide.

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    Have not shot much but from what I'm seeing is a smoother tonal range across the frame which is encouraging. Have to do more shooting but it looks smoother to me
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    Thx for that question, Eleanor!

    Guy, I'm impressed by corner sharpness of the ultra wide.

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    [QUOTE=Guy Mancuso;652974]Batis 85 at 2.5


    VC 15mm at F8

    Guy, the 15 Voigtlander looks surprisingly good, which version is it? Just saw the answer, thanks.

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    Re: Fun with sony A7RII images

    A few with the ZM 50 Sonnar and the Nikon f2.5 105 ai.

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