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    [QUOTE=tashley;657950]With apologies in advance for posting such cheesily predictable holiday snaps... From the Croatian coast, shore shots are Dubrovnik.

    Tim, some of your shots have the ability to transit the input filter and sneak into memory. Thanks. On a more curious note, I seem to remember a great many locations. Just how many holidays do you take?

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    A few handheld, walk around test images from the A7R2. Landscape was made with a Sony 28 f/2. The anchor and porthole images were made with a Sony 55 f/1.8. The porthole image was intentionally given a glow/dreamy look.

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    A micro brewery in Rotterdam Delfshaven


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    couldn't resist; making whiskey in Brooklyn (monochrome...sorry)
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    A platform on top of "De Oude kerk "in Amsterdam. The platform is an artwork made by Taturo Atzu. Terrific for photographers.




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    A micro brewery in Rotterdam Delfshaven


    A7Rii + Nokton 35/1.2 II @ iso 10.000
    ISO 10,000 ??

    Holy Dark Beer Batman !!

    What kind of cameras do we have now? Look at those colors!

    Remember Tri-X? We would push it to 800 or a bit more and be happy with the grainy B&W.

    Actually, I like that look but you know what I mean.

    Thanks for posting.

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    ISO 10,000 ??

    Holy Dark Beer Batman !!

    What kind of cameras do we have now? Look at those colors!

    Remember Tri-X? We would push it to 800 or a bit more and be happy with the grainy B&W.

    Actually, I like that look but you know what I mean.

    Thanks for posting.

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    Exactly my thoughts Bill, it's nothing short of amazing, but so is the price of that body for a simple amateur tog. I was allowed to use one for a couple of hours, but had to give it back to it's rightful owner (and a good friend, otherwise I might have run off with it )

    Other than the colours and noise look at the DR at iso 10.000, when I first opened the picture in Lightroom almost the whole window was pure white, but there was a lot of information there which could be salvaged without any special HDR techniques. Just pulling the highlights slider in LR to -90 did the trick.
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    More from the platform.




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    Quote Originally Posted by pegelli View Post
    Exactly my thoughts Bill, it's nothing short of amazing, but so is the price of that body for a simple amateur tog. I was allowed to use one for a couple of hours, but had to give it back to it's rightful owner (and a good friend, otherwise I might have run off with it )

    Other than the colours and noise look at the DR at iso 10.000, when I first opened the picture in Lightroom almost the whole window was pure white, but there was a lot of information there which could be salvaged without any special HDR techniques. Just pulling the highlights slider in LR to -90 did the trick.
    That is crazy.

    I believe Sony was going for exactly that kind of balance with this camera.

    The price is no joke. I financed mine by selling all my Nikon gear, which a casual amateur would not have had to begin with.

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    Tone mapped just to give a more painterly feeling to the quaint old fishing harbour boats of Padstow
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    A couple of late summer flowers and trying out an old skool Russian 1955 Jupiter 9 lens at f2 on my A7s. I had to mill down the m39-m adapter a bit to get a get a good fit. Different to a Batis, eh? But I kind of like it.



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    Just received my Batis 25mm lens for my A7Rii. Like what I'm seeing and really nice micro detail . Shot this yesterday wandering around a lovely open area of Colorado call "South Park". Handholding and shooting rather quickly but got some nice sharp well exposed shots.... f.8 , iso 64. I'm aware that most folks are using higher iso speeds but I mostly shoot from iso 50- 100 as I don't like to see even one spec of anything that looks like noise when I pull the shadows open. I'm sure I'll experiment with higher iso's later but for the most part I still like the creamy smooth files I get at low iso's. Still hoping Sony will give us a firmware update for lossless RAW however.....Eleanor

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    Today is a bright sunny day so I thought i would go test the colour impact of using a polarizer and a magenta filter at 5500K. So i headed over to a local school where i could get a lot of green with blue sky. There is no problems and it removes the washed out look.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slingers View Post
    Today is a bright sunny day so I thought i would go test the colour impact of using a polarizer and a magenta filter at 5500K. So i headed over to a local school where i could get a lot of green with blue sky. There is no problems and it removes the washed out look.
    Interesting Craig, do you also have a shot without the filters to see the difference? And how did you compensate for the magenta filter? Was that accomplished by the AWB of the camera or did you have to make some corrections in your raw converter.
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    " Waiting For The Harvest "

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    Some recent shots with my A7S and the FE 90/2.8







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    A focus stacking experiment using the A7RII+Contax G 45mm f/2 Planar (M mount). Four shots, focused at points from front edge of basket to rear wall of cabinet. Processed through Helicon Focus using LR plug-in. Nearest focus point was at minimum focus distance for the lens.

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    A La Ronde is an 18th-century 16-sided house located near Exmouth in Devon.
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    A beautiful, but hot day on Cayuga Lake. Huge gathering of gulls on the lake (waiting for the labor day picnic handouts in the park). Group of Japanese students doing selfies on the dock. A7RII+Sony FE 35/2.8 Sonnar.



    Some young ladies discreetly skinny dipping in a quiet area of the lake.

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    Carl , I think you and Amin should switch lenses.
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    with the 90 macro, not quite as sharp as usual, must be user error
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    First post to the DPI forums. Had my A7Rll a couple of weeks now and am amazed at its capabilities. I took this image at Disneyland, Anaheim. Hand held (no possible room for a tripod) with the Sony 35 f2.8 at ISO 1600, 1/4 second.
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    ... {A7Rii}... Like what I'm seeing........ f.8 , iso 64. ... I mostly shoot from iso 50- 100 ...... I still like the creamy smooth files I get at low iso's.....Eleanor
    Eleanor - ISO 64???? I'm intrigued. Your further experience of low ISO working would be greatly appreciated by me [and others I'm sure], as it's a bit overlooked in the greed for high ISO working. Please post more.

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    Eleanor - ISO 64???? I'm intrigued. Your further experience of low ISO working would be greatly appreciated by me [and others I'm sure], as it's a bit overlooked in the greed for high ISO working. Please post more.

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    Hi Chris, you might want to read the following:

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    Interesting Craig, do you also have a shot without the filters to see the difference? And how did you compensate for the magenta filter? Was that accomplished by the AWB of the camera or did you have to make some corrections in your raw converter.
    No corrections were needed and i had manually set the white balance to 5500K. I was expecting to make some WB adjustments. Looking at the files though the same final image can be achieved with bracketing if you dont have a magenta filter.

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    Shot these yesterday...A7Rii with Zeiss 100 f2 lens (Nikon mount with converter). Shot these two images quickly, handheld, as the weather was challenging...wind, cold, not great light, drizzle at 14,000 feet elevation between two Colorado "forteeners" (peaks over 14,000 feet elevation) (Mount Bierstadt and Mount Evans). This is the connecting ridge climb between the two peaks, The Sawtooth. I post these because this camera, even shooting quickly using the sensor stabilizer made sharp images possible....impressive. (iso 64) ....and no I was not climbing these peaks....there is an old road, built around 1915 to 1920, that goes to near the summit of Mount Evans at 14,264 feet). We usually walk the rest of the way from the parking lot at the end of the road to the summit but yesterday my husband and I decided it was too cold and windy! ....Enjoyed shooting photos tho! Eleanor

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    For those interested I see Kolarivision have just started taking A7RII modification orders $499.99 if you wish to get in early
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    A bright red dinner plate size hibiscus popped open this morning in our garden. A7RII+Contax G 45mm f/2 Planar.

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    Two shots taken near the children's garden on the waterfront trail using the A7RII+CV 15mm III.



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    Hi Chris...sorry to get to this late...just saw your question...Honestly the difference between iso 50, 64, 80 and 100 on the A7RII is, for the most part, negligible. The camera is new and I am still "getting to know" my options and if they work for me or not. The only reason I'm testing lower than the native 100 iso is to see if I can get those creamy smooth color transitions and shadows that can be pulled up as much as I need, and be totally noise free. I have tested these iso's against one another, looking at the files at 400 percent (one has to be compulsive about file smoothness to do this...:-/.....I come from a large format film (iso 100) and medium format Phase One backgrounds and I want to do everything possible to get my files on this Sony as close to my Phase One files (at Phase One base iso of 50) as possible. That's just me. I wouldn't recommend others even bother with this. I probably ought to quit posting my iso's when I post an image. On my comparisons, I have found that iso 50 for instance will give me smoother areas in say a blue sky or in very deep shadows (on extremely close inspection....pixel peeping) than more closely resemble my Phase One files with the same megapixel count. But to repeat, the differences between iso 50 and 100 on the Sony are negligible. Hope this helps, Eleanor

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    Hi Chris...sorry to get to this late...just saw your question...Honestly the difference between iso 50, 64, 80 and 100 on the A7RII is, for the most part, negligible. The camera is new and I am still "getting to know" my options and if they work for me or not. The only reason I'm testing lower than the native 100 iso is to see if I can get those creamy smooth color transitions and shadows that can be pulled up as much as I need, and be totally noise free. I have tested these iso's against one another, looking at the files at 400 percent (one has to be compulsive about file smoothness to do this...:-/.....I come from a large format film (iso 100) and medium format Phase One backgrounds and I want to do everything possible to get my files on this Sony as close to my Phase One files (at Phase One base iso of 50) as possible. That's just me. I wouldn't recommend others even bother with this. I probably ought to quit posting my iso's when I post an image. On my comparisons, I have found that iso 50 for instance will give me smoother areas in say a blue sky or in very deep shadows (on extremely close inspection....pixel peeping) than more closely resemble my Phase One files with the same megapixel count. But to repeat, the differences between iso 50 and 100 on the Sony are negligible. Hope this helps, Eleanor
    Hi Eleanor, you might want to take a look at this http://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/56376519
    Annna kindly pointed out to me the same sort of thing with regards to the A7R some while ago...none the less the benefits of shooting the fake iso's below 100iso is some slightly reduced noise in the shadows but at a price of some lost highlight detail...Cheers Barry
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    A7S + SEL70200G
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    Hi Chris...sorry to get to this late...just saw your question...Honestly the difference between iso 50, 64, 80 and 100 on the A7RII is, for the most part, negligible. The camera is new and I am still "getting to know" my options and if they work for me or not. The only reason I'm testing lower than the native 100 iso is to see if I can get those creamy smooth color transitions and shadows that can be pulled up as much as I need, and be totally noise free. I have tested these iso's against one another, looking at the files at 400 percent (one has to be compulsive about file smoothness to do this...:-/.....I come from a large format film (iso 100) and medium format Phase One backgrounds and I want to do everything possible to get my files on this Sony as close to my Phase One files (at Phase One base iso of 50) as possible. That's just me. I wouldn't recommend others even bother with this. I probably ought to quit posting my iso's when I post an image. On my comparisons, I have found that iso 50 for instance will give me smoother areas in say a blue sky or in very deep shadows (on extremely close inspection....pixel peeping) than more closely resemble my Phase One files with the same megapixel count. But to repeat, the differences between iso 50 and 100 on the Sony are negligible. Hope this helps, Eleanor
    Hi Eleanor,

    My understanding is that the reason you might be seeing this is that you are effectively using ETTR when you use the fake lower ISOs. That's fine, it will almost certainly give you the more subtle transitions you crave because of the math involved, but it really is just ETTR and will give you a half stop greater risk of blowing the highlights. I think.
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    Re: Fun with the Sony A7 Series Cameras( all of them)

    Quote Originally Posted by tashley View Post
    Hi Eleanor,

    My understanding is that the reason you might be seeing this is that you are effectively using ETTR when you use the fake lower ISOs. That's fine, it will almost certainly give you the more subtle transitions you crave because of the math involved, but it really is just ETTR and will give you a half stop greater risk of blowing the highlights. I think.
    That's pretty much my take Tim....The tone wedge step at the bottom of this A7R page says it all.

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    The "Camera histogram" as I last understood it was based on jpeg data and NOT the raw data...So when you are shooting at anything below iso 100 beware that the camera histogram may not be telling you the absolute truth with regards to your raw file...clipping of the highlight/channels is quite possible when you ETTR.

    See... Beware the Histogram | RawDigger

    The histogram and overexposure warning are based on the JPEG-preview, thus the raw data undergoes certain transformations: white-balancing, tonal curve application, and also the color saturation is adjusted. These transformations depend on the camera settings for white balance, contrast, saturation, color space, sharpening, etc; thus for the same scene if the camera settings are changed the histogram is also displayed differently. At the same time, the raw data depends on the exposure and the selected ISO speed rating, while other camera settings have no impact on the raw data. In other words, for a raw shooter, the histogram does not accurately reflect the real data in the image file.

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    A handheld shot of some purple oxalis blossoms using the A7RII+Sony FE 90mm Macro. ISO 6400, f/11.

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