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    Just recapping here what I said a couple of days ago on the Sony 14bit thread (A7R2 - Firmware update available (14-bit uncompressed RAW) ), as it maybe helpful for some of you with the A7RII with the latest Firmware (Version 2.0) who are looking to save some extra storage space on your HDD’s (Not to mention the faster speed times of opening and processing an image

    I have been experimenting with Re-compressing the large uncompressed 14bit LOSSY A7RII files but using LOSSLESS DNG compression as opposed to the Sony LOSSY compressed option within the camera itself.
    I carried out my tests with the latest 9.2 Windows External DNG editor as opposed to importing via LR and converting to DNG, this still allows you to make several preference changes and still batch process your images as you would do normally I still allow the small medium preview jpg to be included as that only adds just a few extra K’Bytes to the final file (no great saving here in file size worth bothering about should you prefer not to include it) but I don’t bother to imbed the original RAW image as the files then start to become to large again which defeats the whole object of the exercise
    This seems to be doing an excellent job IMHO, with absolutely no loss of IQ that I have detected to date over the much larger original 14bit uncompressed RAW images
    This will give you now a much smaller file size of around half that of the original RAW’s. I have had no problem opening these DNG images in either LR or CS.
    I personally think a saving of around 40MB’s per image is well worth the effort and I now include this as part of my workflow ....Cheers Barry

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    Ron - This and others in the set are terrific images. Lovely colors and very good use of the long lenses. Esp love the fact that you getting so much out of the R lenses on the A7Rii. I must use them more often! IBIS or not, your hands are very steady as is evident in the pictures.
    Many thanks for the kind words! Yes, I am delighted that the Leica-R and Zeiss ZF.2 lenses work so well with the A7-series, both interms of IQ and ergonomics. The IBIS of the A7II (I don't own the A7RII yet) has really brought the longer R-lenses into the modern age of photography - exactly what I was hoping for when I bought them some years back. I had the A7R with me in Greenland, but used it very little. Often working from boats, IBIS was instrumental in maximising IQ because it allowed me to work at 1/f or slower shutter speeds, thus keeping ISO as low as possible. In the same situation, I would have been forced to use 1/3f shutter speeds and correspondingly higher ISO settings with the A7R - a huge difference!
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    Time to start raking leaves again Sony A7RII + Tamron 150-600. I agree with Barry's findings concerning the new uncompressed 14 bit files and I also have been importing to LR as DNG. Significantly less noise and edge artifacts, plus smoother tonal gradations.

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    I agree with Barry's findings concerning the new uncompressed 14 bit files and I also have been importing to LR as DNG. Significantly less noise and edge artifacts, plus smoother tonal gradations.
    Thank you Carl most appreciated my friend
    Together with David’s independent tests on the other thread, reconfirming there is an IQ difference in the shadows and highlights with a slight increase in noise levels between the Sony compressed and uncompressed files...I would really like Sony to dump altogether their Sony compression option and give us a replacement of in camera lossless DNG compression instead...The DNG compression is significantly smaller than the uncompressed Sony files and only very slightly larger than the Sony compressed files...Firmware V3.0 perhaps?...Fat chance hey!...But Sony do listen so maybe one day who knows

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    'no littering' - A7RII / Sony FE 90

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    A walk inside the medina, Marrakech, Morocco. A7r w/FE55


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    A7RII FE55/FE28 in Amsterdam.

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    A few shots taken this afternoon on a walk through part of Upper Buttermilk Gorge. A7RII + FE 35/2.8 on a tripod.













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    Beautiful images from Buttermilk Gorge Carl. There's a depression in the next to last and last images that appears to me to be too nearly circular to be natural. Do you know if it was man made and, if so, the purpose? There are similar depressions in Dukes Creek here in Georgia that were made during the gold rush but they are much smaller in scale.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnny_Johnson View Post
    Beautiful images from Buttermilk Gorge Carl. There's a depression in the next to last and last images that appears to me to be too nearly circular to be natural. Do you know if it was man made and, if so, the purpose? There are similar depressions in Dukes Creek here in Georgia that were made during the gold rush but they are much smaller in scale.

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    Thank you Johnny. The circular depressions in the relatively soft bedrock (limestone and shale) are all natural. They are formed by erosion from water (and water borne sand/gravel particles) swirling around in eddies that scour out the holes.

    See this wikipedia article
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    I just received an impulse buy which is a Laowa 15mm f4.0 Macro(!) FE lens, which also has a 6mm rise and fall adjustment. Below is a shot taken with the 6mm fall to bring up the foreground.

    The lens is cheaper than the CV 15/4.5 MkIII but a bit larger (although still quite light). I may do a review of the lens in a couple of weeks. It certainly is fun to shoot with a native FE 15mm lens and the virtual level in the display makes using it hand held possible.



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    On Tuesday, I went to a Leica/Rotolight event featuring the new SL and a lighting demonstration by Mark Mann. He uses an S2, btw, not even an 006, although I believe he's moving to the 007.

    This with the A7II and 50 Summicron, ISO 1000, Silver FX (the original has no grain)



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    My Grandson Christopher whom has gone with me on many of my photo adventures, this kid has shot with my Rx1, A7S, Nex 3N, A65 but mainly uses my Olympus OMD EM5 with the Leica 25mm f/1.4.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Lucille View Post
    My Grandson Christopher whom has gone with me on many of my photo adventures, this kid has shot with my Rx1, A7S, Nex 3N, A65 but mainly uses my Olympus OMD EM5 with the Leica 25mm f/1.4.


    A7S, 50mm Mitakon f/.95, ISO1600, 1/200sec
    Nice looking boy.

    The Leica 25/1.4 almost kept me from selling my EM5 kit a couple of years ago.

    But the promise of the A7 line was, in the end, too strong.

    I then kept my main Nikon system until Sony exploded this year with amazing glass and cameras and Samsung's NX1 let me shoot high quality 15 fps and in camera 4K video.

    I await a Sony that shoots more than 2fps with AF.

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    Quote Originally Posted by biglouis View Post
    I just received an impulse buy which is a Laowa 15mm f4.0 Macro(!) FE lens, which also has a 6mm rise and fall adjustment. Below is a shot taken with the 6mm fall to bring up the foreground.

    The lens is cheaper than the CV 15/4.5 MkIII but a bit larger (although still quite light). I may do a review of the lens in a couple of weeks. It certainly is fun to shoot with a native FE 15mm lens and the virtual level in the display makes using it hand held possible.



    If anyone is interested in the lens the details are here.
    Looks like an interesting lens Louis!
    Could be the cheapest new shift lens for Sony as well.
    Looking forward to your experiences.
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    Quote Originally Posted by biglouis View Post
    I just received an impulse buy which is a Laowa 15mm f4.0 Macro(!) FE lens, which also has a 6mm rise and fall adjustment. Below is a shot taken with the 6mm fall to bring up the foreground.


    If anyone is interested in the lens the details are here.
    Louis,
    I noticed on the website for the lens that it says the 6mm rise and fall is for APS-C only.
    What amount of vignetting did you see with A7 full frame?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dmward View Post
    Louis,
    I noticed on the website for the lens that it says the 6mm rise and fall is for APS-C only.
    What amount of vignetting did you see with A7 full frame?
    Yes you're right. To bad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Michiel Schierbeek View Post
    Looks like an interesting lens Louis!
    Could be the cheapest new shift lens for Sony as well.
    Looking forward to your experiences.
    It appears so but of course for such a cheap price it is not without its limitations. It is a very sharp lens and certainly fun to play with.

    Will it fit? Sony A7S+Laowa 4/15

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    Took the dog and the Leica APO 90 cron for a walk yesterday morning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by biglouis View Post
    I just received an impulse buy which is a Laowa 15mm f4.0 Macro(!) FE lens, which also has a 6mm rise and fall adjustment. Below is a shot taken with the 6mm fall to bring up the foreground.

    The lens is cheaper than the CV 15/4.5 MkIII but a bit larger (although still quite light). I may do a review of the lens in a couple of weeks. It certainly is fun to shoot with a native FE 15mm lens and the virtual level in the display makes using it hand held possible.



    If anyone is interested in the lens the details are here.


    Louis...it looks extremely sharp, perhaps sharper than the CV 15 III(???)....or is it "just" skilled pp ()?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thorkil View Post
    Louis...it looks extremely sharp, perhaps sharper than the CV 15 III(???)....or is it "just" skilled pp ()?
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    Corners do not look very flattering.

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    Corners do not look very flattering.
    Yes I noticed that, may be it can be somewhat improved with a higher aperture?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Michiel Schierbeek View Post
    Yes I noticed that, may be it can be somewhat improved with a higher aperture?
    Michiel, If I am not mistaken these were not shot wide open. As Louis mentions, it has its limits. It is sold as a "macro" lens. Something that a Cosina 12 or 15 do with an adapter (focusing or fixed).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thorkil View Post
    Louis...it looks extremely sharp, perhaps sharper than the CV 15 III(???)....or is it "just" skilled pp ()?
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    Yes I noticed that, may be it can be somewhat improved with a higher aperture?
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    Michiel, If I am not mistaken these were not shot wide open. As Louis mentions, it has its limits. It is sold as a "macro" lens. Something that a Cosina 12 or 15 do with an adapter (focusing or fixed).
    Thanks for the comments which are all valid. I do use various recipes in the NIK suite to boost detail and that often gets mistaken for sharpness.

    These were all shot at f8 and I agree that the corners are not the strong point.

    Incidentally, and I know this is heresy, my WATE wasn't exactly a stellar performer either which is why I sold it and kept a CV 15/4.5 in the end. The differences across the frame were marginal and not worth it. But that is my opinion.

    My philosophy on UWA lenses is that they are never excellent across the frame but they are capable of creating images with impact. And for creative purposes very few people look at the edges if your content is compelling.

    I haven't tried out the macro capabilities yet which is actually the reason why I purchased the lens.

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    Went out for a walk by the Wear this morning and caught a bit of Autumn colour so I will interrupt my holiday snaps to post a few....
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    I just love this combo - A7RII with the Batis 25.

    New York City and Whitestone Bridge.

    This shot was taken hand held as I was driving over Throg's Neck Bridge yesterday, alone in the car. Passenger side window down, I simply extended my arm and took a shot from my car moving at 60mph. In the original, the window and door were in the frame due to the wide angle. This is a crop obviously. Around sunset this is a stellar view as anybody living here knows, but there is no way to photograph it from this vantage point unless you have a passenger in the car with you who can do it.

    f5.6, 1/1000, ISO 400, processed simply in LR and then converted to B&W with Perfect Photo Suite.

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    And a few more, all from our garden today.





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    The rest from this morning. The last one shows the old bridge for the A68 over the Wear with the new bridge behind me. A7, c/y Distagon 35mm f1.4, think I am getting the hang of this lens















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    Quote Originally Posted by Pradeep View Post

    (...). but there is no way to photograph it from this vantage point unless you have a passenger in the car with you who can do it.
    I Like the mood of that picture, very nice, well done.

    As for shooting from that vantage point, funny that you see it that way : I'd prefer to have a driver and take the picture myself.. I'm driving alone in my car usually and I can't count the number of times where I have wished to be in the passenger seat to take pictures. So many missed opportunities.

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    King's Cross today - A7R+Loawa 4/15

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    A7RII 16~35mm at 35mm. ISO 400, 1/30 sec, f9, hand held. Love IBIS!
    Thanks for looking
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    Re: Fun with the Sony A7 Series Cameras( all of them)

    Quote Originally Posted by Annna T View Post
    I Like the mood of that picture, very nice, well done.

    As for shooting from that vantage point, funny that you see it that way : I'd prefer to have a driver and take the picture myself.. I'm driving alone in my car usually and I can't count the number of times where I have wished to be in the passenger seat to take pictures. So many missed opportunities.
    Thanks.

    Yes, I wish my wife would drive but most of the time I end up being the driver. That view is only possible from the Queensbound side of the bridge from the right-most lane and that too only between certain spans of the bridge. At sunset it is a particularly compelling sight and so many times I have wished I had a camera that was capable enough. Now it seems I do and maybe with IBIS etc it would be possible even in low light to get a decent shot.
    Too much to list, let's just say I have a bad case of GAS.........
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    Re: Fun with the Sony A7 Series Cameras( all of them)

    Quote Originally Posted by gurtch View Post
    A7RII 16~35mm at 35mm. ISO 400, 1/30 sec, f9, hand held. Love IBIS!
    Thanks for looking
    Dave in NJClick image for larger version. 

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    Beautiful! Surprised the bird is stationary at 1/30, probably just hovering.
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