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    I hope you'll make a fine print of #2!

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    Quote Originally Posted by SamSS View Post
    7R2 + 35mm Art @ f1.4 and can't break faster than 1/8000s


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    I had one and it was super sharp.
    Just prefer going lighter.
    Still no perfect 35mm solution.
    I actually use the RX1RII for the 35mm but I lose IBIS.
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    Samss : the second one is my favorite of the lot. Looks like a nice lens, but way too heavy for my taste.
    And speaking of lighter.
    I'm in the process of obtaining a Contax 90mm f2.8.
    I generally don't care for manual focusing but this will be an exception.
    Kind of a cheap experiment on my part.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Ute View Post
    And speaking of lighter.
    I'm in the process of obtaining a Contax 90mm f2.8.
    I generally don't care for manual focusing but this will be an exception.
    Kind of a cheap experiment on my part.
    Which Contax lens are you speaking of ? The Zeiss Contax G 90mm F2.8 or another one for the SLRs bodies ?
    The Contax G lens which I own is a nice lens, but it can be a little tricky to operate with the adapters. Especially with the techart smart adapter which is supposed to offer AF.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Ute View Post
    And speaking of lighter.
    I'm in the process of obtaining a Contax 90mm f2.8.
    I generally don't care for manual focusing but this will be an exception.
    Kind of a cheap experiment on my part.
    I have one with metabones adapter if yiu have not already bought one yet.

    (Way too many 90mm lenses. The bokina 90/2.5, contax 90/2.8, M-Rokkor 90/4, may be few others that I forget.)

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    Barry, I like this one, it is a superb romantic landscape and the boat has such a nice color contrasting with the other subtle beige, green, grey of the background.. And it deserves standing on a new page :-). The high contrast of the clouds is well mastered, but perhaps a tad too strongly emphasized with respect to the beach sands and the waters ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Annna T View Post
    Which Contax lens are you speaking of ? The Zeiss Contax G 90mm F2.8 or another one for the SLRs bodies ?
    The Contax G lens which I own is a nice lens, but it can be a little tricky to operate with the adapters. Especially with the techart smart adapter which is supposed to offer AF.
    G 90 f2.8
    I'm going to use a Fotodiox manual-only adapter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    I have one with metabones adapter if yiu have not already bought one yet.

    (Way too many 90mm lenses. The bokina 90/2.5, contax 90/2.8, M-Rokkor 90/4, may be few others that I forget.)
    Thanks but I already bought it.
    What is your opinion of it ?

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    I hope you'll make a fine print of #2!

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    Thanks Kirk, good idea I probably will make an A2 print from this image.


    Quote Originally Posted by Annna T View Post
    Barry, I like this one, it is a superb romantic landscape and the boat has such a nice color contrasting with the other subtle beige, green, grey of the background.. And it deserves standing on a new page :-). The high contrast of the clouds is well mastered, but perhaps a tad too strongly emphasized with respect to the beach sands and the waters ?
    Thank you Annna, glad you like the mood of this one
    I think you may well be right...I just totally reworked this image to slightly detune some of the drama out of the sky (also letting some extra colour to bleed through the different various layers).
    It’s always very hard to judge exactly just how these BLENCOMO images are going to finally turn out!...It all depends on just how contrasty the original colour image is to start with, this will eventually determine how much you cook the B&W image layers.








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    Quote Originally Posted by The Ute View Post

    Thanks but I already bought it.
    What is your opinion of it ?
    I do not use it much.

    Barry, The earlier version looks better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barry Haines View Post
    Thanks Kirk, good idea I probably will make an A2 print from this image.




    Thank you Annna, glad you like the mood of this one
    I think you may well be right...I just totally reworked this image to slightly detune some of the drama out of the sky (also letting some extra colour to bleed through the different various layers).
    It’s always very hard to judge exactly just how these BLENCOMO images are going to finally turn out!...It all depends on just how contrasty the original colour image is to start with, this will eventually determine how much you cook the B&W image
    Like Vivek : I prefer the colors of the first version : the sands and waters have more subtleties. The second version is greener and the I prefer the red of the first boat.

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    Can't seem to restrain my romanticism

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    Quote Originally Posted by thompsonkirk View Post
    Can't seem to restrain my romanticism

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    No problems with that Kirk, One of the things I like about your pictures that they're carefully composed and processed very different from many others we see here, and diversity is a very good thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thompsonkirk View Post
    Can't seem to restrain my romanticism

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    A7rII (Kolari), 35 Nokton f1.2 wide open
    I very much like your sensibility/approach, but the back focus on this one disappoints. Focus bracketting?!
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    Boring a7 test shot


    Sony a7 with Pentax-M 35mm f/2.8 at 1/80 f/5.6 ISO 500

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    I very much like your sensibility/approach, but the back focus on this one disappoints. Focus bracketting?!
    I'm sure it was intended so and since the lighter trunk standing just behind looks sharp, I like it so. It invites the viewer to look deeper into the forest. Could go with the injunction : "don't stop at the tree hiding the forest !"

    That said, I like the color work of Thompson Kirk even more.

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    UTE, as far as the Contax G 90 (and 45) I was a strong proponent of these two lenses all the way through from my Contax G2, the NEX 5, NEX 7 bodies. Fact is they were my primary lenses even though I had many other lenses to choose from. I figured they would remain my favorite glass with the a7rII but for me they bothe had a sort of magenta color cast when used with the a7rII that I had not seen before and it was present in LR, Aperture, C1, and DXO conversions. Not a big deal but annoying to the point I bought a 55 and 90 OEM lenses to replace them as finally I found glass that actually worked better than the CG 45 and 90 on a body.

    I still use the 21, 28, 35, 45, and 90 on my CG2 camera with slide film and have the 45 and 90 with me when I take the NEX 7 out to play but IMO the Sony OEM glass in 55 and 90 just plays better on a A7RII than my CG glass due to color casting( which is fixed very easily in any pp software but it was the Zeiss look and colors were why I was so loyal to these lenses before but it's exceptionalizm disappeared when I used them on the a7RII) (also I Often use Singh Ray filters and color casting got far more obvious when a filter was used like a variND or warming polarizer)

    I still got great images from these lenses on the a7rII but it just took a bit more work in post.. The OEM glass did not show this issue even with filters and gave me far more utility and less time to post process. Never thought any glass would ever beat my CG glass but IMO sadly it did.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Annna T View Post
    I'm sure it was intended so and since the lighter trunk standing just behind looks sharp, I like it so. It invites the viewer to look deeper into the forest. Could go with the injunction : "don't stop at the tree hiding the forest !"
    We’ll have to agree to disagree. In my experience (and consequently my opinion), foreground OOF areas need to be very blurry to work; my eyes keep returning to the leaf-covered trunk that is just a little soft, searching for texture that isn’t there.

    I think we would agree that Kirk is an accomplished and thoughtful photographer, however!
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    We’ll have to agree to disagree. In my experience (and consequently my opinion), foreground OOF areas need to be very blurry to work; my eyes keep returning to the leaf-covered trunk that is just a little soft, searching for texture that isn’t there.

    I think we would agree that Kirk is an accomplished and thoughtful photographer, however!
    I think (Kirk pls correct me when I'm wrong) that putting the prime focus on the second trunk was a concious decision. I probably would not have made the same choice and put it on the first for the reason mediumcool is saying. So from that perspective it's a thought (and discussion) provoking picture to think about why he did that. Maybe because he didn't want the picture to be obvious or standard, maybe he liked the texture on the 2nd trunk more. In the end the artist has the last word, so I hope he is willing to share his thoughts on the choice. I think we can learn something interesting from that
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim DE View Post
    UTE, as far as the Contax G 90 (and 45) I was a strong proponent of these two lenses all the way through from my Contax G2, the NEX 5, NEX 7 bodies. Fact is they were my primary lenses even though I had many other lenses to choose from. I figured they would remain my favorite glass with the a7rII but for me they bothe had a sort of magenta color cast when used with the a7rII that I had not seen before and it was present in LR, Aperture, C1, and DXO conversions. Not a big deal but annoying to the point I bought a 55 and 90 OEM lenses to replace them as finally I found glass that actually worked better than the CG 45 and 90 on a body.

    I still use the 21, 28, 35, 45, and 90 on my CG2 camera with slide film and have the 45 and 90 with me when I take the NEX 7 out to play but IMO the Sony OEM glass in 55 and 90 just plays better on a A7RII than my CG glass due to color casting( which is fixed very easily in any pp software but it was the Zeiss look and colors were why I was so loyal to these lenses before but it's exceptionalizm disappeared when I used them on the a7RII) (also I Often use Singh Ray filters and color casting got far more obvious when a filter was used like a variND or warming polarizer)

    I still got great images from these lenses on the a7rII but it just took a bit more work in post.. The OEM glass did not show this issue even with filters and gave me far more utility and less time to post process. Never thought any glass would ever beat my CG glass but IMO sadly it did.
    Thanks so much Jim for taking the time to go into this much detail.
    Much appreciated.
    I would love to get the Sony 90.
    I'll just have to save up a while longer is all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mediumcool View Post
    We’ll have to agree to disagree. In my experience (and consequently my opinion), foreground OOF areas need to be very blurry to work; my eyes keep returning to the leaf-covered trunk that is just a little soft, searching for texture that isn’t there.

    I think we would agree that Kirk is an accomplished and thoughtful photographer, however!
    One further observation: I do a lot of focus-bracketing these days (64-years-old peepers)—I have a range of camera systems (three at the moment), and a range of lenses, both AF and manual-focusing. Memory is cheap!
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    "... so I hope he is willing to share his thoughts on the choice. I think we can learn something interesting from that" – Pegelli

    Thanks to everyone for suggestions! I'm clearly having a problem with focal point and DOF in my romantic or pictorialist experiments, and can use advice.

    The background is that in March I finished a portfolio book of landscapes, executed in an 'f64' style, as sharp as possible from foreground to infinity. After printing that portfolio, I wanted to try something different and hit on the idea of regressing even further, into a kind of 'digital pictorialism,' with narrow plane of focus, beaucoup de bokeh, and a turn-of-the-previous-century look. Ideally I wanted the image to suggest that the photographer/viewer had been walking down a trail and has stopped to notice just one thing – usually an anomaly like a broken branch or fallen tree – and stood for moment to stare at it. This sort of thing, a fence that seemingly serves no purpose, would be an example:

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    I thought I could accomplish this with old lenses, wide open – 50mm LTM Nikkor, 1.5 Summarit, etc., but their flare was sometimes overwhelming; and I wanted one focal point to be quite sharp. So I hit on the Mitakon f0.95 (for Sony), which does pretty much what I want and even adds some swirl to the corners.

    But sometimes its angle of view is too narrow, so I've been trying out the 35 Nokton f1.2. That's what's got me in trouble with these two images! I like the field of view of this lens, but I have trouble even at f1.2, isolating a plane of focus. There seems to be a lot more DOF behind the point of focus than in front, even going on the assumption that apparent sharpness will extend 1/3 in front of the point focused on, and 2/3 behind.

    I suppose I might limit myself to the Mitakon and do more stitching. I received the friendly suggestion that I could use an even longer lens for shallower DOF, and stitch together even more images.

    Anyhow from the comments I've received, it looks like the wider lens, with its greater DOF, doesn't serve my purpose very well even when wide open.

    Thank you for making me think more about this – any further suggestions appreciated!

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    The Mitakon should work fine for this.
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    Kirk, The level of fuzz between the focused and unfocused is pretty much the same with little distinction. As such, they don't do much for me. A sharper lens with stitching might work or a Petzval type lens or just a good old sheet film camera with a suitable lens- i don't know.
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    Anyhow, for better or worse, three more attempts at the same sort of thing:

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    Quote Originally Posted by thompsonkirk View Post
    "... so I hope he is willing to share his thoughts on the choice. I think we can learn something interesting from that" – Pegelli

    Thanks to everyone for suggestions! I'm clearly having a problem with focal point and DOF in my romantic or pictorialist experiments, and can use advice.

    The background is that in March I finished a portfolio book of landscapes, executed in an 'f64' style, as sharp as possible from foreground to infinity. After printing that portfolio, I wanted to try something different and hit on the idea of regressing even further, into a kind of 'digital pictorialism,' with narrow plane of focus, beaucoup de bokeh, and a turn-of-the-previous-century look. Ideally I wanted the image to suggest that the photographer/viewer had been walking down a trail and has stopped to notice just one thing – usually an anomaly like a broken branch or fallen tree – and stood for moment to stare at it. This sort of thing, a fence that seemingly serves no purpose, would be an example:

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    I thought I could accomplish this with old lenses, wide open – 50mm LTM Nikkor, 1.5 Summarit, etc., but their flare was sometimes overwhelming; and I wanted one focal point to be quite sharp. So I hit on the Mitakon f0.95 (for Sony), which does pretty much what I want and even adds some swirl to the corners.

    But sometimes its angle of view is too narrow, so I've been trying out the 35 Nokton f1.2. That's what's got me in trouble with these two images! I like the field of view of this lens, but I have trouble even at f1.2, isolating a plane of focus. There seems to be a lot more DOF behind the point of focus than in front, even going on the assumption that apparent sharpness will extend 1/3 in front of the point focused on, and 2/3 behind.

    I suppose I might limit myself to the Mitakon and do more stitching. I received the friendly suggestion that I could use an even longer lens for shallower DOF, and stitch together even more images.

    Anyhow from the comments I've received, it looks like the wider lens, with its greater DOF, doesn't serve my purpose very well even when wide open.

    Thank you for making me think more about this – any further suggestions appreciated!

    Kirk
    Hi Kirk, first of all I’m probably one of your biggest fans of your own particular style of B&W images + I really love Doug’s B&W’s
    IMHO I do believe the answer you may be looking for is in having a slightly sharper 35mm lens than the Nokton.
    If the focused point looks sharper then the OOF rendering front and back will give the “impression” of looking a bit more blurred even if it isn’t
    I owned the 35mm f/1.2 Nokton for many happy years but as soon as the Sony FE 35mm Distagon f/1.4 came along I knew instantly that was the happy balance of sharp WO with great bokeh that I personally was looking for myself...I feel it is just a tad sharper than the Nokton WO with a bit more contrast also...On the downside it is AF and not that cheap + large and heavy and probably not so good on the Kolari version A7RII, so it may not be for you
    I hope you don’t mind but I have tried to emulate the style of one of your images as best as I can (poorly I admit, so my apologies upfront)...I realise it’s a lot closer than what you would normally take but it was the only image I could find suitable.
    I normally use Web Sharpener for down sizing but it plays havoc with the bokeh of an image but it does make an image look crisper all over...I just used plain old CS bicubic sharper on this particular occasion (no other sharpening used)...A7RII + 35mm Sony FE Distagon at f/1.4





    PS. I am still considering getting the 50mm Mitakon thanks to your images, so please keep them coming.
    Out of interest does the 50mm Mitakon perform better on the Kolari A7RII TIA?...Cheers Barry
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    Thank you, Barry, for important suggestions!

    The 35 1.2 Nokton is already big and clumsy, so adding more weight with the f1.4 Zeiss might not be a problem. I'll visit my dealer to see if it's something I can handle. It's ironic that I acquired Sony for lightness and compactness, but am already carrying some rather heavy chunks of glass.

    The images you posted are fine examples of the 'look' I've been thinking of, except as you noted: If I want the viewer to feel that he or she is standing where the photographer was standing and is fixating on a particular object within the field of view, then I have to step farther back, with deeper DOF.

    About Mitakon and Kolari (which SpellCheck calls Mistaken and Solari): I've had the Mitakon only a few months, and a body with the Solari mod for only this month; so my experience doesn't go far beyond what I've been able to post here.

    First, about Solari: I compared it with my regular Sony body and came to the same conclusion you can read on the web: significant improvement in the corners, especially in the 28-50mm range, and even 24mm. In general, one or even two wider f/stops are usable. It adds a green tint, so you have to make individual or batch corrections, or else make a personal camera profile. I'm very happy to have it for use with M lenses.

    This even includes MATE and WATE, which I use for regular landscape shooting. I thought I'd see no improvement, because these are retrofocus lenses; but there's a slight advantage in corner sharpness at a pixel-peeping level. So I've started using the modified body with all lenses except Sony/Zeiss AF FE, for which I've kept the regular A7rII body.

    Second, about the Kolari mod supporting the Mitakon in particular, I don't think it can offer any improvement that matters. Wide open, the Mitakon corners are already so enjoyably vignetted, fuzzy, and distorted as to be beyond repair. I haven't tried the Mitrakon stopped down, though I've heard the resolution acceptable. For more detailed work I've just changed lenses.

    Third, about considering Mitakon: when WO it produces highlight flare, so that a brightly-lit leaf will look soft because of surrounding flare, while a shadowed one right next to it may look considerably sharper. This is a further limitation on center sharpness, and I don't know how to avoid it without acquiring a Noctilux.

    Finally, when I re-read your post I came up with what turned out to be a half-baked idea: I noticed you'd used a 28mm Distagon in C/Y mount for your most recent post, and immediately thought 'So why not use an old C/Y 35mm f1.4 for landscapes instead of a new FE 35 1.4, because it's a manual-focus lens?' A good idea except that when I looked up the price, I saw that the C/Y 35 1.4 is like the 28mm Hollywood Distagon – it hasn't depreciated and sells for nearly as much as a brand new one.

    Most people have probably given up reading by now, but I think at least the two of us are on the same wavelength, thinking of style/gear/technique/image quality as a complicated feedback loop, where you have to establish good relations among a whole family of factors. In this respect it seems to be as hard to make an 'old-fashioned' BW image with controlled soft focus areas as it is to make a sharp and appealing contemporary color image.

    Kirk

    PS, lovely bokeh in the railroad track image!
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    Beer Power

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    [QUOTE=MikeEvangelist;696573]Beer Power

    Power plant at the old Hamm's brewery in St Paul, MN

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    Mike, it looks almost alive – and puffing off steam.

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    "... so I hope he is willing to share his thoughts on the choice. I think we can learn something interesting from that" – Pegelli
    And so he did!

    Quote Originally Posted by thompsonkirk View Post
    Thanks to everyone for suggestions! I’m clearly having a problem with focal point and DOF in my romantic or pictorialist experiments, and can use advice.

    The background is that in March I finished a portfolio book of landscapes, executed in an ‘f64’ style, as sharp as possible from foreground to infinity. After printing that portfolio, I wanted to try something different and hit on the idea of regressing even further, into a kind of ‘digital pictorialism’, with narrow plane of focus, beaucoup de bokeh, and a turn-of-the-previous-century look. Ideally I wanted the image to suggest that the photographer/viewer had been walking down a trail and has stopped to notice just one thing—usually an anomaly like a broken branch or fallen tree—and stood for moment to stare at it. This sort of thing, a fence that seemingly serves no purpose, would be an example:

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    I thought I could accomplish this with old lenses, wide open—50mm LTM Nikkor, 1.5 Summarit, etc., but their flare was sometimes overwhelming; and I wanted one focal point to be quite sharp. So I hit on the Mitakon f0.95 (for Sony), which does pretty much what I want and even adds some swirl to the corners.
    I like this one very much; acceptable subject sharpness begins at the gate—the ground in front is nicely soft, as are the trees behind; well-isolated IMO. I vignette just about every shot, which I think would help in the vintageization of this kind of photograph.

    Quote Originally Posted by thompsonkirk View Post
    But sometimes its angle of view is too narrow, so I’ve been trying out the 35 Nokton f1.2. That’s what’s got me in trouble with these two images! I like the field of view of this lens, but I have trouble even at f1.2, isolating a plane of focus. There seems to be a lot more DOF behind the point of focus than in front, even going on the assumption that apparent sharpness will extend 1/3 in front of the point focused on, and 2/3 behind.
    That “rule” was always more of a guide—and made less of a rule with any amount of back-focus!

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    Anyhow from the comments I’ve received, it looks like the wider lens, with its greater DOF, doesn't serve my purpose very well even when wide open.

    Thank you for making me think more about this—any further suggestions appreciated!

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    Thank you, Barry, for important suggestions!

    The 35 1.2 Nokton is already big and clumsy, so adding more weight with the f1.4 Zeiss might not be a problem. I'll visit my dealer to see if it's something I can handle. It's ironic that I acquired Sony for lightness and compactness, but am already carrying some rather heavy chunks of glass.

    The images you posted are fine examples of the 'look' I've been thinking of, except as you noted: If I want the viewer to feel that he or she is standing where the photographer was standing and is fixating on a particular object within the field of view, then I have to step farther back, with deeper DOF.

    About Mitakon and Kolari (which SpellCheck calls Mistaken and Solari): I've had the Mitakon only a few months, and a body with the Solari mod for only this month; so my experience doesn't go far beyond what I've been able to post here.

    First, about Solari: I compared it with my regular Sony body and came to the same conclusion you can read on the web: significant improvement in the corners, especially in the 28-50mm range, and even 24mm. In general, one or even two wider f/stops are usable. It adds a green tint, so you have to make individual or batch corrections, or else make a personal camera profile. I'm very happy to have it for use with M lenses.

    This even includes MATE and WATE, which I use for regular landscape shooting. I thought I'd see no improvement, because these are retrofocus lenses; but there's a slight advantage in corner sharpness at a pixel-peeping level. So I've started using the modified body with all lenses except Sony/Zeiss AF FE, for which I've kept the regular A7rII body.

    Second, about the Kolari mod supporting the Mitakon in particular, I don't think it can offer any improvement that matters. Wide open, the Mitakon corners are already so enjoyably vignetted, fuzzy, and distorted as to be beyond repair. I haven't tried the Mitrakon stopped down, though I've heard the resolution acceptable. For more detailed work I've just changed lenses.

    Third, about considering Mitakon: when WO it produces highlight flare, so that a brightly-lit leaf will look soft because of surrounding flare, while a shadowed one right next to it may look considerably sharper. This is a further limitation on center sharpness, and I don't know how to avoid it without acquiring a Noctilux.

    Finally, when I re-read your post I came up with what turned out to be a half-baked idea: I noticed you'd used a 28mm Distagon in C/Y mount for your most recent post, and immediately thought 'So why not use an old C/Y 35mm f1.4 for landscapes instead of a new FE 35 1.4, because it's a manual-focus lens?' A good idea except that when I looked up the price, I saw that the C/Y 35 1.4 is like the 28mm Hollywood Distagon – it hasn't depreciated and sells for nearly as much as a brand new one.

    Most people have probably given up reading by now, but I think at least the two of us are on the same wavelength, thinking of style/gear/technique/image quality as a complicated feedback loop, where you have to establish good relations among a whole family of factors. In this respect it seems to be as hard to make an 'old-fashioned' BW image with controlled soft focus areas as it is to make a sharp and appealing contemporary color image.

    Kirk

    PS, lovely bokeh in the railroad track image!
    Many thanks Kirk, apologies for the tardy response + Also this style of quick response as I have a mountain of jobs to do today...please excuse

    I'm sure you already know most of what I have written below...

    The FE 35mm Distagon 630g is notably larger and heavier than the Nokton 471g (+ adapters weight), just so you are aware but a bit less in weight than the Mitakon 720g.

    I hear you about the weight and I'm in full agreement and find myself in the same position now with a heavier outfit than I ever originally intended I guess the only way to get the look of fast lenses and also reduce the weight of your gear at the same time is by going with the smaller format option...FF is the sweet spot position for me as I suspect it may well be for you also...I have no real desire at the moment to go smaller or larger in formats...Time will tell.

    Muchas gracias Re: all the Solari and Mistaken info...That was very interesting and also very helpful info for me (I just learned several things from you which I didn't know already )... most appreciated.

    I wouldn't necessarily expect the Noctilux F/0.95 to out shine the Mitakon (on A7R/II) in terms of IQ...Based on the few reviews that I have seen to date...But I have no personal experience of either.

    A few links to reviews etc... (Noctilux vs Mitakon) for you in case you have'nt already seen them...

    https://www.talkemount.com/threads/q...m-f-0-95.9773/
    https://www.talkemount.com/resources...50mm-f-0-95.2/
    Zhongyi Mitakon 50mm 0.95 Preview ( Test VS Leica 50mm Noctilux 0.95) - Rico Space
    https://bitchinlight.wordpress.com/2...-fast-fifties/

    My Contax 28mm Distagon was the F/2.8 slower version (Excellent sharp lens, when stopped down but to wide and slow for this kind of work that we are discussing) as opposed to the Contax 28mm F/2.0 Hollywood just so you know...
    The pseudo IR together with pseudo halation gave the glow on the church cross.

    My small experience of Contax lenses on A7R's to date show that the Contax lenses put out a cooler colour to the files as opposed to Sony/Zeiss FE lenses.

    If I remember correctly Michiel and Chuck both have the C/Y Contax 35mm Distagons and like their lenses...as you say some of these old Contax C/Y lenses havent really dropped their prices in awhile.

    I think one of the reasons that we are both on the same wave length together with a few others here is that we both have a love for vintage fine art prints by the old masters
    I worked in London for over 3 decades (70's onwards) regularly visiting as many photographic galleries that I could in my lunch breaks, it gave me a much better appreciation of a vintage fine art print.

    Thanks again for all...Cheers Barry
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    Just faking it!

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    Arthur's Pass, South Island, New Zealand
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    Mr. Cook & Lake Pukaki, South Island, New Zealand
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    Arthur's Pass, South Island, New Zealand
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    Mr. Cook & Lake Pukaki, South Island, New Zealand
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    Awesome scenery.
    Thanks for sharing.

    P.S. I lived and worked in NZ for a couple of years and I am still kicking myself that for not visiting the South Island.
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    Western dawn.
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    I lived and worked in NZ for a couple of years and I am still kicking myself that for not visiting the South Island.
    Crazy! I was alerted to the grandeur of NZ on seeing Brian Brake’s Milford Sound. Living in Australia, I have not managed to get over the pond to date.

    And the people!
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    I just love the texture of this facade; and how the 24-70mm GM renders it.

    This was shot in a narrow alley, so the space was very confined. I did a hand-held panorama of 10 shots, stitched in Autopano Giga and seasoned to taste with LR.

    Abandoned Hamm's Brewery Building

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    Fallen Branch...IR + Dilute Cyanotype toning



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    Beau's lines* resulting from a recent surgical trauma.

    Untitled by Vivek Iyer, on Flickr

    A7s, Macro Nikkor 65/4.5

    *Google "Beau's lines" (nails).
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Ute View Post
    Awesome scenery.
    Thanks for sharing.

    P.S. I lived and worked in NZ for a couple of years and I am still kicking myself that for not visiting the South Island.
    South Island is just so beautiful. I went there in early summer. My friends and I drove from Auckland all the way to the South Island which was like a differenct world. I mean, the North Island is extraordinary, we love Auckland and Taupo, but the diversity of the landscape in the South is just absolutely amazing.

    It took us about three hours to reach the west coast from Christchurch through Arthur's Pass, there were moutains, rivers, country roads, coastline and even glacier. Sometimes we felt the driving itself was actually more heaven-like than stopping at a specific spot. I lived in Australia for a couple of years, it is amazing too, but usually there is a 4-hour drive on a straight highway to another good spot, sometimes it is exhausting.

    I could go on but then it becomes something very long, so I should probably stop. But, The Ute, next time if you had the chance, I personally think the South Island is a heaven for people like photogrphy.
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    Rule of thirds.


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    Here's one more in the same vein.


    Distortion.


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    Here's one more in the same vein.


    Distortion.


    Really like this one.
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    Here's one more in the same vein.


    Distortion.


    Tom, that looks like my old shed...I wondered where it disappeared to after our last storm

    Pagoda Tea Room...Took this shot awhile back, only just got around to PP it.
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    Another oldie just processed not shown before.
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    [QUOTE=frozenbb;696778]Here's one more in the same vein.


    Distortion.QUOTE]

    With help from the lens, the barn defies gravity.

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    A7RII, 16~35mm lens at 16mm. Auto Bracket, monopod, 3 shots 3 stops apart HDR. Geese added PP.
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