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    Re: Fun with the Sony A7 and A7r series

    Werner,

    I went through my backup for this one here in particular. Just an experiment from 2010 with the 135 getting close. Showing the last flowers of very late goarse (Ginster) in Donegal.

    Although I know you do have even more famous lenses in deed, I would not be astonished if the 135 deserves a place right beside them on your shelf, thinking of your Leica 100 and Macro Planar being in a different league perhaps, but not so far away imho.

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    Re: Fun with the Sony A7 and A7r series

    On the other discussion going on, I would like to contribute a few final thoughts.

    Zoran referred to "common decency" and this term is usually used to demand that someone shows the common decency to do something or refrain from doing something in cases where someone has grossly violated our social conventions.

    The latter being the crux here in my view.

    I lived long enough in the US myself, and I was stunned by the amount of prudery and procrastination that I observed when it came to matters of sexualtiy. A sexually extremely charged society would be an understatement in deed.

    Social conventions are a matter of "Zeitgeist", and Zeitgeist is a matter of social political as well as economical dominance in a given social structure.

    The picture you claim to feel offended by displays what I would descirbe as partial nudity, and that triggers you to quote netiquette and referr to US law etc.

    It is no secret that the biggest consumers of porn, and that is not the category Werner's picture falls into, are conservatives, the very people shoveling their common sense and morality down our throats with pleasure.

    Edelman / Harvard Business School:
    http://people.hbs.edu/bedelman/paper...ightstates.pdf

    It does not endanger the development of a child to see bare breasts, and hey, "normally" that is what they see the first time they are around on this planet anyways if you get my drift.

    I find your demand and referral to common sense and respect utterly risible, and that is the last I have to say on that matter.

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    Been away for a couple of days....

    Seems to me like this whole thread is spooling out of control. Not really in the GETDPI collegiality thing IMHO.

    There are some great pictures on this thread and occasionally one that may or may not strike one's fancy...that is a personal decision on a lot of levels. IF the TV offends thee turn it off or change the channel...or thread in this instance. Good news is after a day or so the offending item is buried on another page.

    Probably best to lighten the tone before SOMEONE locks this thread down.

    Really not worth personal attacks and such.

    Now lets see some pictures....

    And Georg, the Gorse with the 135 is truly stunning...may have to add another camera to the long list....

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    Re: Fun with the Sony A7 and A7r series

    Enough is enough kind members.
    First-off we do have a forum policy concerning images that are NSFW to be marked as such and to post those in the images to share forum.
    Although that is the case, we have polled our mods, Cindy, Jack, Guy, and myself and feel unanimously that the image in question, although it certainly did contain nudity, that nudity was secondary or incidental to the image. None of the mods found the image to be offensive.
    The tough part about policing community standards of decency is that very much depends on the community. Some communities would not permit images of people AT ALL, some don't care if it all hangs out.
    We know that we are walking a fine edge here but prefer to allow this image due to its incidental and relatively mild nudity and lack of suggestive pose or context.
    In general nudity that amounts to that which one might find hanging in the Louvre even though rendered photographically must be considered acceptable if incidental to the overall composition.

    So please, kind members, observe some self restraint and try to not inflame passions contrary to the spirit of this site.

    As for the flames that ensued from the complaint, those are not acceptable at all.
    Everyone has an opinion whether one agrees with it or not, please do not throw insults. Those will result in cautions which will be handed out as we see fit.

    One more flame on the issue will lock the thread.
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    Re: Fun with the Sony A7 and A7r series

    If possible I would like to politely add. There are those like myself who for religious reasons do not wish to see nudity. Every one else is entitled to their own choices but I hope that being open minded also means being open minded towards those who have made personal decisions in their lives vis a vis religious beliefs and choices. To have nudity sprung on myself unannounced is extremely uncomfortable. I believe there should be a choice to view nudity, not that those who disagree with a dissenting view to my own should be able to force their views by posting pictures of this kind without any warning. I want to respectfully beg that others respect my right to choose as I respect theirs.
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    Re: Fun with the Sony A7 and A7r series

    one man can see nudity harmlessly, while another can see something else, as Bob has pointed out.

    not so easy to define the boundary of what constitutes inappropriate nudity, or any nudity. Do you stay away from the Met, the Louvre, the DeYoung, etc. or do we use those as examples of modestly displayed nudes/art?

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    Re: Fun with the Sony A7 and A7r series

    In an attempt to move us along...

    I decided that I needed a longer focal length for studio shots as manual focus was just taking too long. Focus with wide aperture - stop down to take picture - hope I didn't move the focus when I did this, etc.

    Everyone seems to love the Sony 85 1.4 but I don't need 1.4 for the studio or the expense associated with it. Purchased the LA-EA4 and the lowly SAL85 2.8.

    WOW - crisp and sharp. Light and inexpensive. Won't keep me from having GAS for the 135 1.8 but fills my need for an 85 perfectly.

    SAL 85- 2.8 at f3.5 ISO 100 1/200 A7r.

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    Okay this took 5 times to write this. Anyway thought I would chime in and really folks this is a tough one. We do have a specfic forum for posting NSFW images and obviously your choice to view or not depending on YOUR decisions to view or not. If this was a direct shot of a naked female or male for that matter posted in a general thread the job of the mods would be very easy and either move it over or delete it. This particular image the nudity was secondary and for us mods and a very tough decision as it first and foremost was not a direct attempt by the poster to post in the general forum as a sneak attack lets say but secondary to the main subject and also his country and culture has far diffrent views of nudity than other country's as well. We as a whole understand that but we also understand very much the flip side and let's be honest Cindy, Jack, Bob and I are all US citizens with this country's culture and restrictions of commercial postings of nudity. But we as a whole are a global website and very sensitive to others culture, religion yada yada yada about our differences across the globe. So our decisions are tough and let's be honest this is one of those fine lines of censorship that we try to avoid at all costs. But on the other hand we have in place at least at registration a adult policy and even our own Bob shoots nudes as his creative endeavor in Photography and let's face it this is a ART site so we get it, I have shot nudes myself on several occasions as well. But it's our Art and we are free to shoot whatever we want to pursue that avenue. So we are very sensitive to this subject but we all felt it was secondary to the image so hard to censor it. All we can do is ask members to post direct images in the NSFW forum and let folks use there best judgement in the general forum. This image is just not a clear cut decision to make and maybe the first time here eon GetDPI that it was on that fine line to go either way. I'm going to go what Bob said and honor that decision.

    The worst part here and really got us mods involved was the insults that followed , please leave that stuff at the door as you come to dinner at our round table. We are a family and all is welcome to participate .
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    Re: Fun with the Sony A7 and A7r series

    Uh Jim... shoulder blades... cover up the shoulder blades please.


    I shouldn't need to state it, but there are no rules of 'common decency' even though some on this forum apparently believe so.


    Lastly, I think that this may have been posted on Sunday? At least it was Sunday in the US...

    Werner may not have known it, but he was celebrating a constitutional right that has been denied women through policy. It was national Go Topless day here.

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    Re: Fun with the Sony A7 and A7r series

    So question...can the mods please delete all the side comments and discussions? I don't think most want to have to parse through that to get to the subsequent images. Can we just move the image in question to the NSFW thread so not to offend anyone for professional, religious, or other concerns?

    It's 100% clear Werner did not intend any offense by posting his image. I wasn't offended by the image in anyway personally but I could respect if someone were to be offended by one of my images due to cultural, religious, social differences or a mere oversight. I get that it's art and an art site but we all have a shared responsibility to be respectful to other members no matter the reason.

    Just my thoughts on this for whatever they're worth. I don't wanna see the thread locked as it is a really good one and one that's run for over 50 pages of images.
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    I'm without computer but I do agree we should just delete all the posts that are not image related.
    Photography is all about experimentation and without it you will never learn art.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HiredArm View Post
    It's 100% clear Werner did not intend any offense by posting his image. I wasn't offended by the image in anyway personally but I could respect if someone were to be offended by one of my images due to cultural, religious, social differences or a mere oversight. I get that it's art and an art site but we all have a shared responsibility to be respectful to other members no matter the reason.
    +1 Well put.
    Although I personally think the comments should stay (As long as they are not disrespectful in any way)...Freedom of speech and all that.
    "Let it be" and "Give peace a chance" come to mind together with "Forgive and forget"...Lets just move on and take great pictures.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    I'm without computer but I do agree we should just delete all the posts that are not image related.
    It was just a tempest in a glass of water. Note that until Ben's last post it was all created by one single person, none among the others posters felt offended by the "incriminated picture"
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    Re: Fun with the Sony A7 and A7r series

    Not closing this thread. Period

    It's Guys home too. Over my dead body, out of my dead cold hands. Have a couple more but heading out the door. Lol

    Another post some dang images folks . Lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Georg Baumann View Post
    On the other discussion going on, I would like to contribute a few final thoughts.

    Zoran referred to "common decency" and this term is usually used to demand that someone shows the common decency to do something or refrain from doing something in cases where someone has grossly violated our social conventions.

    The latter being the crux here in my view.

    I lived long enough in the US myself, and I was stunned by the amount of prudery and procrastination that I observed when it came to matters of sexualtiy. A sexually extremely charged society would be an understatement in deed.

    Social conventions are a matter of "Zeitgeist", and Zeitgeist is a matter of social political as well as economical dominance in a given social structure.

    The picture you claim to feel offended by displays what I would descirbe as partial nudity, and that triggers you to quote netiquette and referr to US law etc.

    It is no secret that the biggest consumers of porn, and that is not the category Werner's picture falls into, are conservatives, the very people shoveling their common sense and morality down our throats with pleasure.

    Edelman / Harvard Business School:
    http://people.hbs.edu/bedelman/paper...ightstates.pdf

    It does not endanger the development of a child to see bare breasts, and hey, "normally" that is what they see the first time they are around on this planet anyways if you get my drift.

    I find your demand and referral to common sense and respect utterly risible, and that is the last I have to say on that matter.
    None of your "argument" would have any value in front of any US Human Resource department or local decency laws, and this us US based board with US based owners and mainly US based membership. Who is biggest consumers of what, or any other theatrics based "argument" is completely irrelevant, laws are laws, rules are rules, respect is respect. Until they are way they are you are obliged to abide by them. No amount of anything changes that.

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    Instead of red I think a 18 percent grey would be photographically more apt to meter off of. ROTFLMAO
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZoranC View Post
    None of your "argument" would have any value in front of any US Human Resource department or local decency laws, and this us US based board with US based owners and mainly US based membership. Who is biggest consumers of what, or any other theatrics based "argument" is completely irrelevant, laws are laws, rules are rules, respect is respect. Until they are way they are you are obliged to abide by them. No amount of anything changes that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    Instead of red I think a 18 percent grey would be photographically more apt to meter off of. ROTFLMAO
    That would also retain the original black-and-white rendering of the image, rather than converting it to color.

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    ... and this us US based board with US based owners and mainly US based membership. ...
    ...and yet it seems most of the US based viewers of this thread don't have their panties in a twist over this.

    I think the thing about the image that I object to is that it doesn't represent (necessarily) worthwhile conditions to be spending time working over with HDR.

    I'd like to see the central image of the HDR bracket to understand what is being added to the image by working this over.

    Werner, are you willing to show us that? Some of your other HDR images from that workshop are truly fantastic, and I'd like to see how this particular image benefits from HDR. Feel free to censor the dirty pillows if you want to. I was never one for silicone anyway.


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    In other news my FD 24mm f2 just arrived! Lovely little lens and even had the original lens hood, albeit with bayonet lugs worn almost through, had to use blutak to get it to stay on the lens. I'll go out and test it tomorrow and compare to the FD 24mm f2.8 I have. I hope it's good, it's really nice. Got a shoot that I want to use it for on Friday with my mcgyvered A7r's shutter release (drawing pin and gaffer tape, wish I was joking but only way to get it to work after the Lolumina snapped the whole thing off).
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    I'm playing with my 17 TSE all week
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    I'm playing with my 17 TSE all week
    I wish I had the time, last week we went and photographed the largest private collection of documents from the past century of the Jewish community in Iraq and India in the owners house, shifts around the clock for two days. Lot of stuff there that museums would give their eye teeth for. Spent this week organising, cropping and outputting the stuff with hungry and desperate scholars straining at the leash and not giving me a seconds peace while Capture One drove me up the wall. Shooting long scrolls in sections and then trying to stitch them back together again is a nightmare! I've yet to work on a suitable methodology.
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    Bob, Guy, and Jack, as I said before it is your house and your call.

    But please notice your decision makes this forum non-friendly toward any person that might visit it at work. You are well aware how HR departments look at this kind of stuff, that they have zero tolerance for it and that excuse of it being "indirect" and in the name of "art" would not fly in front of them (especially when term art can't be applied to item in question).

    It also makes it non-friendly to anybody that doesn't want to be exposed to certain kind of content without warning and advance permission due to religious or other beliefs.

    Thus I feel with your decision you owe to your visitors full advance warning and disclosure this site might contain content that is not respecting their local laws, regulations, policies or beliefs.

    When it comes to me your decision leaves me with no choice but to minimize visits to your site to avoid having to worry what kind of thing somebody might post tomorrow under label of "art".

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    Ok, maybe there is one more word allowed to me, as all had stared with my post, though i already had stopped responding and was just going on posting pics, as you may have noticed.

    Never ever i wanted to offend or disregard anybody.

    I tried to say sorry in my first answer to Zoran' post - and i will repeat it here:

    Sorry to everyone who feels disregarded by my post!

    To my excuse the shot shows an everyday life situation, here in my country, it was made during an international workshop on "Creative BW Photography", held by american author and photographer Harold Davis. People attending the workshop came from everywhere in the world. During the presentation and discussion of the image nobody complained about its content. Others had shot the same subject. Nudity is certenly not its subject.

    By posting the pic i was not at all thinking or aware that it could be offending someone or even incite a discussion other than photographic. I would never had the idea posting that on a "nudity" forum.

    None of my plenty other shots posted here show anything to be complained at.

    Not acceptable to me is any aggression in posts or any form of self censorship.
    We should leave that to other places.
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    It is, as the admins wrote a thin path to go. After evaluation of the discussion i decided not to delete the initial post. I reposted instead, a little ironical, the save for work (we don't have that here) version.

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    Re: Fun with the Sony A7 and A7r series

    Quote Originally Posted by mjm6 View Post
    ...and yet it seems most of the US based viewers of this thread don't have their panties in a twist over this.

    I think the thing about the image that I object to is that it doesn't represent (necessarily) worthwhile conditions to be spending time working over with HDR.

    I'd like to see the central image of the HDR bracket to understand what is being added to the image by working this over.

    Werner, are you willing to show us that? Some of your other HDR images from that workshop are truly fantastic, and I'd like to see how this particular image benefits from HDR. Feel free to censor the dirty pillows if you want to. I was never one for silicone anyway.


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    No i will not post that pic anymore HDR or not

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    Re: Fun with the Sony A7 and A7r series

    What I have seen on various other forums is that images rather than threads are tagged as 'NSFW' and if you choose as such in your control panel, the image shows as blank with a big NSFW label in red. Images tagged as such also only show for registered members. This means that you would never have a nasty surprise but also that large image threads do not have to be labelled themselves as 'NSFW' or that a members would not be able to post certain images in a thread like this which is widely encompassing. I do not know if such a feature would be compatible with the forum software? It would seem to be the easiest solution to give full choice to the viewer on the subject.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JMaher View Post
    Purchased the LA-EA4 and the lowly SAL85 2.8.

    WOW - crisp and sharp. Light and inexpensive. Won't keep me from having GAS for the 135 1.8 but fills my need for an 85 perfectly.
    Jim,

    I purchased the exact combo and love the results...and the 135 1.8 will be added in the future.

    Not everything I shoot has to have shallow DOF.

    It is a rather good lens with a nice OOF rendering.

    And not that large on the LA-EA4.

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    Werner and Georg....Please, please, please STOP posting 135mm f1.8 images...I'm currently logged into PAYPAL with a twitchy finger...Cheers Barry
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    Hahahahaha. It's a big beast on the A7 though is it not?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Barry Haines View Post
    Werner and Georg....Please, please, please STOP posting 135mm f1.8 images...I'm currently logged into PAYPAL with a twitchy finger...Cheers Barry
    What will you do if Sony announces that lens in native FE mount? It could happen within two weeks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ben Rubinstein View Post
    Hahahahaha. It's a big beast on the A7 though is it not?
    It's a big lens on a dSLR. But it's a truly great lens!

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    I just have to put some thoughts in from the other side of the ocean:
    I do think we are several people from Europe, perhaps a conciderel amount, that follow this site and has followed it for years now.
    I must say that I got annoyed, surprised and finally very provoked deep in my soul that anyone could/would allow him-/ or herself, for that matter, to be provoked by a picture of that sort Werner delivered.
    My instant thought was that now everything is turning more and more black over there, pitch black.
    One thing is if one person is getting annoyed or provoked.
    But the others thing is, why on earth bother other people with such thoughts. And worst of all, why putting a restricting sort of unnecessary self censorship and self-restrictions down over all other peoples head, which will do the opposite as the intensions of this site, which is and must be creativity. That picture was in no way related to anything like pornographic expression.
    Speaking as an European person it was hard to believe my eyes.
    There are thousand of other alarming and annoying things going on in the world today, also in USA to raise ones voice at, 40.000 people a year getting killed by private guns, 100.000’s of poor people dying of illness and poverty, rape and violence all over, people losing their houses and property because of illness, lost job's etc. etc.
    Yes, we are bothered with “soft-porn” all over the world today, in TV, internet, posters, everywhere.
    And if we don’t want to be confronted, we have to sell our TV, sell our computers, avoid going out etc.
    I really don’t get USA, it’s okay for people to run around and kill each others, and buying guns as we others buy potatoes, but a pair of bare breasts in a calendar hanging on a wall in a mechanical garage, and the photographer just takes a documentary-shot…. knock, knock..whats going on…???
    That must be the proof that the last sanity is about getting lost. Please, please, proportions, proportions !
    Apart from that…..I just want to say...I really like the pictures that you guys provide here.
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    Guy you are welcome to delete this, and it was just some thoughts going on through several days now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thorkil View Post
    I just have to put some thoughts in from the other side of the ocean:
    I do think we are several people from Europe, perhaps a conciderel amount, that follow this site and has followed it for years now.
    I must say that I got annoyed, surprised and finally very provoked deep in my soul that anyone could/would allow him-/ or herself, for that matter, to be provoked by a picture of that sort Werner delivered.
    My instant thought was that now everything is turning more and more black over there, pitch black.
    One thing is if one person is getting annoyed or provoked.
    But the others thing is, why on earth bother other people with such thoughts. And worst of all, why putting a restricting sort of unnecessary self censorship and self-restrictions down over all other peoples head, which will do the opposite as the intensions of this site, which is and must be creativity. That picture was in no way related to anything like pornographic expression.
    Speaking as an European person it was hard to believe my eyes.
    There are thousand of other alarming and annoying things going on in the world today, also in USA to raise ones voice at, 40.000 people a year getting killed by private guns, 100.000’s of poor people dying of illness and poverty, rape and violence all over, people losing their houses and property because of illness, lost job's etc. etc.
    Yes, we are bothered with “soft-porn” all over the world today, in TV, internet, posters, everywhere.
    And if we don’t want to be confronted, we have to sell our TV, sell our computers, avoid going out etc.
    I really don’t get USA, it’s okay for people to run around and kill each others, and buying guns as we others buy potatoes, but a pair of bare breasts in a calendar hanging on a wall in a mechanical garage, and the photographer just takes a documentary-shot…. knock, knock..whats going on…???
    That must be the proof that the last sanity is about getting lost. Please, please, proportions, proportions !
    Apart from that…..I just want to say...I really like the pictures that you guys provide here.
    best Thorkil
    Guy you are welcome to delete this, and it was just some thoughts going on through several days now.
    LOL, it is the religion that has us all fuct up!!! believe me....don't get me started....LOL
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    looking at it objectively, unfortunately one must state, religion kill's more people than it saves

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    Quote Originally Posted by dandrewk View Post
    What will you do if Sony announces that lens in native FE mount? It could happen within two weeks.
    Dave...Good question.
    Don't I know it, it's this thought alone that is holding me back.
    If the FE turns out to be a MF Loxia 135mm f2.8 which I have a nagging feeling is what they will go with...I will be back to the ZA,ZE, ZF.2 choices...Cheers Barry

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    Doug, It's nice to know that I can always rely on you to spend my money for me.
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    Let's see if this works from my phone. My viewpoint. Lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by W.Utsch View Post
    You may be right with the HDR subject. It was as said a practice in the WS to do HDR and BW conversions with PS layers in further PP.

    No i will not post that pic anymore HDR or not
    No problem... I wouldn't normally even challenge a photographer on an issue like this, and is has absolutely nothing to do with the merits of the image at all (breasts or not), but when I saw it, I thought that it was surprising to me that the subject had enough contrast to show a real benefit from HDR.

    Whatever the benefit on this image, I would say that the workshop you went to must have been a load of fun, and a great experience, judging by the excellent images you pulled out of the subjects.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    Let's see if this works from my phone. My viewpoint. Lol
    Yes it works just fine Guy...We are all still here, Bob hasn't closed us down (YET).
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    actually, the 135/f1.8 is almost exactly the same size and weight as the 17mm and the 24mm canon TSE lenses, and they are all bigger/heavier than my SK and Rodie MF lenses!

    i think the heaviest lens i have, per inch of length, is the Leica M 50/1.4. with maybe uranium glass!

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    since the charged discussion about the display of nudity is interesting, maybe move all the associated posts to Graham's thread?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barry Haines View Post
    Yes it works just fine Guy...We are all still here, Bob hasn't closed us down (YET).
    Try not to work to hard
    Well if did not know you could post images from your phone directly. This could be handy when we do workshops we can do do real time images as we go. Could be fun
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    Some time ago I tried the Zeiss ZM Biogon on the A7r, a fantastic lens on the right camera, but not on this one as we all know. I had to try it once.
    Still I somehow liked this image. If zeiss could start with something around this FL in their new Loxia line, I would be happy

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    This image singes..

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    Guy:
    how did you post directly from your i-phone?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Michiel Schierbeek View Post
    Some time ago I tried the Zeiss ZM Biogon on the A7r, a fantastic lens on the right camera, but not on this one as we all know. I had to try it once.
    Still I somehow liked this image. If zeiss could start with something around this FL in their new Loxia line, I would be happy

    Michiel...I also tried my 25/f2.8 and 35/f2 Biogon's on the A7R and was highly disappointed like others, ended up selling them both soon after...Although they both worked fantastic on the Nex6 and 5N.
    I'm only guessing but was your image taken on a 35mm Biogon?...Hard to believe that IQ was squeezed out of the 25mm Biogon (If it was I am in awe ).
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