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    Marc, I will share some soon I hope.

    Here's how mine are both set up - it suits me really well but other people might want other configurations to highlight features they use more. Also, I've never really done a sit-down analysis of the optimal configuration, I've just iterated towards something I find easy.

    Control Wheel; ISO
    AEL Button; AEL Hold
    AF/MF button (how I leave the switch orientated most of the time); AF/MF toggle
    Cn 1; Focus Settings
    Cn 2; Focus Mode
    Cn 3; Steady Shot
    Center button; Eye AF
    Left Button; Drive Mode
    Right Button; Smile/Face Detect
    Down Button; Focus area

    So what I do is this: I leave the AFMF/AEL switch generally in the UP position.

    This means that when I press the button in the centre of it, I switch from AF to MF.

    When in AF, pressing C1 lets me use the dial as a cursor to move the focus spot around.

    When in MF, pressing C1 lets me magnify the MF area and the dial allows me to move it around.

    After a while this gets to be very fast. I will generally use Face Detect with Small Single Spot AF left on centre by default but if face detect struggles, moving the AF spot to the desired face will usually get it to lock on. You can use Face Detect in Zone and Wide, but I much prefer to be in DMF mode with small single spot.

    Eye detect is actuated by pressing and releasing the centre button of the main dial when Face Detect is active and the shutter is half pressed. For most shots face detect alone is enough. Face detect also makes quite certain that the AF system won't 'see' something behind the desired subject, a problem that even the small single spot sometimes falls victim to.

    I also have the Function Button programmed with a set of useful, often needed items.

    I find the setup to be very fast and most importantly, accurate. It takes a bit of practice but I like it! The one thing I would say is that using the battery grip in order to gain a vertical shutter release does compromise the speed at which I can operate the system of flicking the single small AF point around the field quickly. But I'm even getting used to that. Practice makes somewhat competent!

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    Tim, hope you can post some of these … this is right up my alley, and your post here is encouraging. I'd like very much to reduce my DSLR/SLT kit and end up with just a pair of these smaller mirror-less Sonys and eventually just 4 lenses … the three current ones, and a longer FE prime of some sort when they get to it.

    I also would love to better understand how you have the A7R settings configured (face detect focus and swift placement of the focus point), I've been distracted by other life events as of late, and haven't had much time to "play and learn".

    Thanks,

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    A few from Saturday's walk with the Elmarit-R 19mm series I.









    All: Sony A7 + Leica Elmarit-R 19mm f/2.8 series I

    This and the Nikkor 18mm produce pretty extreme wide angle for me. It takes a while for my mind to come around to seeing in such FoVs. I'm not quite there yet, but getting more comfortable.

    The Elmarit 19 produces some lovely rendering qualities, as does the Nikkor 18. They have a look which is quite different, however. The Nikkor is a bit better on corner/edge sharpness, the Elmarit separates mid-tones a little better. Both benefit greatly from a sturdy tripod—I feel that I need a very sturdy tripod as much or more with an ultra wide lens as I do with a long telephoto, and that it's actually harder to get the most out of an ultra wide (need more pixels, more careful framing, etc.).

    fun fun fun ...
    Given that most of your glass is DSLR lenses a lot of Leica R there is no reason why ( except money of course) not to have a A7r in your kit as well for these moments. Obviously money spent but when those pixels of the A7r really gets you there. Something to ponder, I think we will see more 24mpx cams from Sony but maybe not so fast to see another 36 mpx replacing the A7r. I only say this since your are heavily R loaded and its really nice having that A7r as that is the one I mostly shoot myself. Just a thought and since you are not using any AF but manual focus and no flash gear with regard to sync your not going to see a functional difference but just have more horsepower. If I was manual all the time and not needing the speed than I would probably have a second A7r instead. Heck you could almost get one for dirt cheap with a trade, instant savings with a FE lens and sell off the lens. Might want to look into that whole trade up deal going on.
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    Just got the FE24-70. Here is a shot at 70mm PP in Lr5.3 and Silver efex pro
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    nice shot Godfrey it is a lovely wide angle lens which seems to be able to isolate subjects easily with pleasing bokeh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    Given that most of your glass is DSLR lenses a lot of Leica R there is no reason why ( except money of course) not to have a A7r in your kit as well for these moments. Obviously money spent but when those pixels of the A7r really gets you there. Something to ponder, I think we will see more 24mpx cams from Sony but maybe not so fast to see another 36 mpx replacing the A7r. I only say this since your are heavily R loaded and its really nice having that A7r as that is the one I mostly shoot myself. Just a thought and since you are not using any AF but manual focus and no flash gear with regard to sync your not going to see a functional difference but just have more horsepower. If I was manual all the time and not needing the speed than I would probably have a second A7r instead. Heck you could almost get one for dirt cheap with a trade, instant savings with a FE lens and sell off the lens. Might want to look into that whole trade up deal going on.
    Money is part of it ... buying the A7 body-only (at a deal rate since it was a new body from a split-up kit package) saved me $1000 to get into one and experiment with these lenses. At the time it wasn't clear that it would really work as desired, and if it hadn't I'd have simply sold it and the whole lot of lenses to simplify things.

    I'm convinced now that the A7 works as I desired.

    I'm not in a photo business anymore, I don't have to rush nor do I need backup. The cost of an A7r (or a second A7) body is not a problem. Whether to buy an A7r or a second A7 is a matter of what I want to do with it, and whether the diversity and capabilities of what I already have are sufficient to my desires.

    Meanwhile, I am slowly learning the lenses on this body, and I like what the A7 creates with them. :-)

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    A few from Saturday's walk with the Elmarit-R 19mm series I.


    Love this one Godfrey, great light.
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    This photo is from the a7r out of a Contax 100mm f3.5. It's handheld at f8, low ISO and fast shutter speed, shot in a gale. I like to scope out places I pass so the extra detail works great for that. It is a typical result from handholding for landscapes with this combo, standard capture sharpening only. The crest in the crop is (I estimate) 4000-5000 metres - they have run electricity everywhere but no one will be using the road for a while.
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    Firenze, Italy
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    W, I am really enjoying the second photo.
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    A few random small sized JPEG snaps (sent to my iPhone and processed in VSCOcam for testing purposes) with the Rokinon 14, Voigtlander 35/1.2 Nokton II, and the 55 FE. The full sized shots in camera are obviously much much better.







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    Sunset from the Bodega Bay Lodge



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    There's an old truck in Driggs ID that we've seen for several years just sitting on the side of the road slowly getting more forlorn looking with each passing season. Passing it yesterday we decided it was time to take its portrait.


    Sony A7r FE24-70 (50mm) f/6.3 1/200 ISO 50 cropped to suit

    A little "behind the scenes" with me knee deep in snow.



    And this is what I captured...


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    A7r, Pentax Tak Super 35mm f2 @ f11

    Had this shoot in mind for 7 months, finally got around to doing it with the help of my students four of whom are modelling here. Most complex lighting I've ever attempted (6 lights + smoke machine + sound trigger), I'm a (ex) wedding photographer not a studio shooter so was pushing my skill envelope. Was fun.
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    A little nostalgic feel today as I finally sold all my other camera gear (Nikon, Canon, Pentax, Leica's already gone) and threw my lot firmly in with nothing but Sony...

    (OK I did keep the IQ 180/Alpa/Rdoenstock. And buy a Canon TSE 24mm...)

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    Re: Fun with the Sony A7 and A7r series

    Quote Originally Posted by tashley View Post
    A little nostalgic feel today as I finally sold all my other camera gear (Nikon, Canon, Pentax, Leica's already gone) and threw my lot firmly in with nothing but Sony...

    (OK I did keep the IQ 180/Alpa/Rdoenstock. And buy a Canon TSE 24mm...)
    Looks a little like a salt print or an albumin print... Nice. Silver EFEX I presume?

    I'm about to sell the M9 myself... struggling with the lenses though, I really don't want to part with them!

    And, I can't believe it, but I will probably get both the 17mm and 24mm TS Canons. I had the 24m back when I shot Canon, but the 17 appears to be a real revelation.


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    Looks a little like a salt print or an albumin print... Nice. Silver EFEX I presume?

    I'm about to sell the M9 myself... struggling with the lenses though, I really don't want to part with them!

    And, I can't believe it, but I will probably get both the 17mm and 24mm TS Canons. I had the 24m back when I shot Canon, but the 17 appears to be a real revelation.


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    Hi Michael,

    It went through Silver Effex and a couple of other secret brew steps - such that I'm sure I couldn't replicate it if I wanted to!

    My 24mm TSE seems like a dud - I only had a chance for a few shots before dusk but it looks very soft on one side with all movements centred. The Curse of Tashley strikes again!

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    Stunning! I would love to see this hanging on the wall printed on appropriate paper.
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    A little nostalgic feel today as I finally sold all my other camera gear (Nikon, Canon, Pentax, Leica's already gone) and threw my lot firmly in with nothing but Sony...

    (OK I did keep the IQ 180/Alpa/Rdoenstock. And buy a Canon TSE 24mm...)
    Brilliant photo, Tim. Very lovely.

    I think the gear sale is going to happen here too. I'll keep the A7 and E-M1, and a small selection of my film cameras. The A7 has worked out even better than I'd hoped, and I love these Leica R lenses. I can't quite bring myself to letting go of the E-M1 yet, but I haven't touched anything else in a while.

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    Thanks chaps! Godfrey, my E-M1 and 12-40 went today as well... I have truly become Sony Borg....
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    Re: Fun with the Sony A7 and A7r series

    Quote Originally Posted by tashley View Post
    A little nostalgic feel today as I finally sold all my other camera gear (Nikon, Canon, Pentax, Leica's already gone) and threw my lot firmly in with nothing but Sony...

    (OK I did keep the IQ 180/Alpa/Rdoenstock. And buy a Canon TSE 24mm...)

    Great shot, Tim. I still have far too many cameras and stuff lying around unused. My happiest photographic excursion was to Morocco with just a Sigma DP2m and DP1m. Cleared away all the indecision about lens and camera choice. Less clutter = better shots.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Quentin_Bargate View Post
    Less clutter = better shots.
    Thanks Quentin, that's really what I'm finding. Having a tiny backpack with a great camera, great zoom and two world class primes in it and nothing else to distract is a real eye opener, literally and metaphorically...
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    Quote Originally Posted by tashley View Post
    A little nostalgic feel today as I finally sold all my other camera gear (Nikon, Canon, Pentax, Leica's already gone) and threw my lot firmly in with nothing but Sony...

    (OK I did keep the IQ 180/Alpa/Rdoenstock. And buy a Canon TSE 24mm...)

    Tim, truly unique, especially in today's world of digital imagery. I'm generally not a big fan of excessive digital post processing manipulation. Reminds me of days of yore when film and creative darkroom techniques ruled the world of photography and one could spend hours experimenting with developers and hand manipulation. A wonderful addition to some of your best posted images

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    Great shots every one, big well done !

    I’ve just got my sony Alpha 7R as my Valentine gift from my most amazing Wife (ya she loves me so much), but without any sony lenses, and as a Leica guy, its naturally for me to buy the Nnovoflex adapter to attach my Leica lenses on this little beast !
    Here are just few from my 6 weeks experience with the A7R and Leica 50mm and 28mm cron lenses.


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    Great shots every one, big well done !





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    Funny, just had this one processed in an "Old Postcard" style when Tim posted his "old" image:

    Florence, the banks of river Arno



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    Went out this morning, Sandy armed with her 7r and I with my DF/IQ.


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    Quote Originally Posted by tashley View Post
    Thanks Quentin, that's really what I'm finding. Having a tiny backpack with a great camera, great zoom and two world class primes in it and nothing else to distract is a real eye opener, literally and metaphorically...
    Quentin, Tim, couldn't agree more - I've just spent a few days in the mountains, mostly just with an m and a 28mm lens - you relax into it and forget there is anything else . . . . . . . I just haven't made that leap you've made Tim. not yet!

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    Here is one of the shots from my previous outing with the Zeiss Jena Biotar 58/2. It didnt make the original cut since while I liked it there were clearly bettter photos from the outing.

    What finally made me post it is the fact that it is a clear representation of the Biotar exhibiting 'Nisen', or broken bokeh. Instead of the tip of the plants being rendered into a single smooth piece you can clearly see it seperated into two seperate plant tips. Definitely nisen.

    But who cares. I love this old lens.

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    Nisen happens sometimes with the FE 55 1.8 and often with the FE 35 F2.8 - not a look I like too much, but it looks nice in your shot!

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    Quote Originally Posted by f/otographer View Post
    Here is one of the shots from my previous outing with the Zeiss Jena Biotar 58/2. It didnt make the original cut since while I liked it there were clearly bettter photos from the outing.

    What finally made me post it is the fact that it is a clear representation of the Biotar exhibiting 'Nisen', or broken bokeh. Instead of the tip of the plants being rendered into a single smooth piece you can clearly see it seperated into two seperate plant tips. Definitely nisen.

    But who cares. I love this old lens.

    That's pretty cool! I should pull out my RoBot II Zeiss 40mm f/2 Biotar and see how it works on the A7...

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    Killing some time...walking around in Seattle's Fremont neighborhood.

    A7, 55mm f/1.8, 1/250s @ f/1.8, ISO 3200


    A7, 55mm f/1.8, 1/250s @ f/1.8, ISO 3200


    A7, 55mm f/2, 1/250s @ f/1.8, ISO 3200


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    These are the FE55 and a7r, probably ISO 6400, near wide open.
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    Tow classics from Toscana

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    The cupola of the Firenze Duomo



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    Re: Fun with the Sony A7 and A7r series

    Well, my 24-70 f4 and my 55 f1.8 arrived today no time for snaps yet, so here are 3 from last night with the old 28-70 zoom.


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    HI There
    The 24-70 and 55 seem to be fine, but I haven't had a chance to look properly, still, I snapped about the kitchen with the 55 and it does indeed look promising.


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    The kitchen dresser


    Roberts Radio with matching eggs


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    Nisen happens sometimes with the FE 55 1.8 and often with the FE 35 F2.8 - not a look I like too much, but it looks nice in your shot!
    Really? I would have thought the FE 55/1.8, being ranked as one of the better lenses out there, would have been free from such basic errors in drawing. Huh, just goes to show. Glad you like the pic tho.
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    That's pretty cool! I should pull out my RoBot II Zeiss 40mm f/2 Biotar and see how it works on the A7...
    Godfrey I would love to see some images from your Robot Zeiss Biotar. (Sounds like a Transformer)

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    Quote Originally Posted by f/otographer View Post
    Really? I would have thought the FE 55/1.8, being ranked as one of the better lenses out there, would have been free from such basic errors in drawing. Huh, just goes to show. Glad you like the pic tho.
    It seems rare - I only see it in shots where the aperture is wide open and the subject is in the very front of field, and there are strong lines further out - they then can become double. I gave one example of it in my review of the lens but I have not noticed it often at all...
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    Re: Fun with the Sony A7 and A7r series

    Just a couple more before bed

    Both shot at f1.8

    Monk fish Salad at ISO 800

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    bookshelf at ISO 2500

    Nothing special you might say, but . . . supper is always special, and that bookshelf has been shot in miserable mixed light with so many different cameras - it's really dark, hence f1.8, 1/60th, ISO 2500. I don't think I've ever seen a better result than this.

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    Looks like a great lens, camera combination...

    Compelling capture.

    I am sure it is nice to be home...

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    Re: Fun with the Sony A7 and A7r series

    Quote Originally Posted by docmoore View Post
    Looks like a great lens, camera combination...

    Compelling capture.

    I am sure it is nice to be home...

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    HI Bob
    It is indeed - I'm sure you feel the same way - but we had a great time, and were very lucky to have great snow conditions and lovely hot sunshine! All but one days I was skiing without gloves

    Good to be home though, nice to have my poor drowned car back to full fitness, and fun to be trying out these two Sony/Zeiss lenses.

    All the best

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    Firenze

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    Its getting a little quiet here the last days...???
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    Quote Originally Posted by f/otographer View Post
    Godfrey I would love to see some images from your Robot Zeiss Biotar. (Sounds like a Transformer)
    Perhaps I'll have the opportunity this weekend to try it out. I've just put the book that's been consuming my life out for review so I won't be working at all this weekend. :-)

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    Re: Fun with the Sony A7 and A7r series

    just picked up a canon 24mm TS-E II and a Metabones adapter for shooting interiors. now that adapter was a tight fit on the lens. seems to work, will get some images out asap

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    That's an awesome combination, the lens is quite bulky but the quality fantastic. I have posted some pics here (in the old Fun thread) with it and the A7R.
    My Metabones Smart II works perfect the fit is tight , yes, but better than loose...
    Have fun and show us something

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    Re: Fun with the Sony A7 and A7r series

    Quote Originally Posted by W.Utsch View Post
    That's an awesome combination, the lens is quite bulky but the quality fantastic. I have posted some pics here (in the old Fun thread) with it and the A7R.
    My Metabones Smart II works perfect the fit is tight , yes, but better than loose...
    Have fun and show us something

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    How tight is it ? Would it be inconvenient to change lenses relatively frequently in the field ? I own both a 24mm TSE and a 90mm TSE, (plus the 70-200mm F4 and some other standard and wide angle zooms). I'm still on the fence as to whether I should acquire an A7 or A7r. But I wouldn't want to buy several of theses expensive Metabones smart adapters.

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    Re: Fun with the Sony A7 and A7r series

    my metabones is a MarkIII and i had to use major force to rotate it onto the lens, but it did go on, and i expect it will reside there permanently.

    my hands are pretty strong and it was much tighter than i would like. from what i have read they loosen up

    also made me start to think about a special L-plate that will mount to the metabones socket...

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post
    Well, my 24-70 f4 and my 55 f1.8 arrived today no time for snaps yet, so here are 3 from last night with the old 28-70 zoom.
    Your 28-70mm has produced many excellent images, so I'm very interested to see/ hear if you feel that the 24-70 is noticeably better, and will you keep it.

    thank you for your posts.
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