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philip_pj

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Sad but true, you need a degree of complexity for lens performance. Some people don't like the size of the FE55 which is a mere 280 grams, and is 7 elements in 5 groups. [BTW, FE35 is 7/5 also but of course too slow for many users.]

What Sony is saying to the market might be: we will make fine lenses but they cannot be truly tiny without compromises in lens speed and/or complexity/quality.

Put another way, go with us in FE for higher image quality with small-medium sized lenses (non-telezooms)...or if you want really small lenses, there are excellent APS-C and m43 camera systems which are 'good enough' for most users. Choose!
 
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BANKER1

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OK. I have heard Hasselblad is coming out with a mirrorless RF type camera. My prediction is that it will be DMF camera with a EVF and will take current MF Hasselblad lenses. So, it could be that Sony will introduce their model simultaneously with the Hasselblad version, and the Hasselblad camera could be simply a rebranded Sony camera. Sony may even introduce adapters for several MF lens manufacturers to make it available and attractive to more customers.

The question about why Sony would venture into the DMF market is easily understood given the fact that they introduced the new 50 megapixel MF sensor. The question about "something that's never been made before" is answered since I don't remember hearing about any other MF mirrorless digital camera.

Greg
 
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fotografz

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biglouis said:
Even if they could I can't see why Sony would release a MF model. It is hardly a mass market product. Maybe they would do it for reasons of reputation but they are not exactly tapping into a market as lucrative as displacing either Nikon or Canon.

I'll probably have to eat my words but does anyone except for a specialised niche of professional photographers actually need a 50mpx MF camera in this day and age?

LouisB
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Yes. ;)

I think a heck of a lot of photographers would get into MFD image quality … IF … the price is "relatively" reasonable, and it's not a brick to carry around.

Mirror-less could help both of those wishes come true.

Such a camera wouldn't have to even be as big as the Mamiya 7 which had a 6X7 film gate. The Sony 50 meg sensor is much smaller than that.

The only question I would have is … what lens system it would use?

The Mamiya 7 was cool because the lenses were small compared to most any other MF camera.

Hassey V lenses are bricks, my Leica S lenses are mostly bricks, Hassey H lenses are like carrying around lead pipes … but given the association with Sony it'd be more likely than not it'll take H lenses.

A high performance fixed lens is possible … a big brother to the RX1? (although, I'd probably pass on something like that).

What would frost the MFD landscape is if the thing took view camera lenses :shocked:

- Marc
 
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Tim

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fotografz said:
Yes. ;)

I think a heck of a lot of photographers would get into MFD image quality … IF … the price is "relatively" reasonable, and it's not a brick to carry around.
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I am one of the "heck of a lot".
Give me a big sensor, with fat pixels that is mirrorless with a basic operating system. No face detection or video mode etc is necessary, trim the fat to keep the price down. Choose a Lens mount that has lenses that can handle the sensor. It seems lenses that deliver to give justice to the sensors is where its at now. Make it weather resistant but include some use for indoors like tethering and flash control. Trim its size and weight so I can carry it with one, two or a max of three HQ compact lenses.

Build it so I can afford it and we will come.
 
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bipbip

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philip_pj said:
...or if you want really small lenses, there are excellent APS-C and m43 camera systems which are 'good enough' for most users. Choose!
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Indeed, 'good enough' were the 21 f/3.2 and 70 f/2.4 Pentax pancakes. My NEX-6 is ideally suited to lenses of this type. The 'fast lens' desire is just that; we don't need that extra light to see through a pentaprism any more, the EVF system and good sensors nowadays solve that drawback - f/1.4 'upmanship' is another thing. I'm using Voigtländers, but autofocus would be useful sometimes. Come on Sony - You Know it Makes Sense ...
 
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UHDR

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could do what fuji (hassey) did with their X-pan series (note, im not referring to x-pro). use the same 35mm FF lens but limit the aperture. this will be the stop-gap then launch some medium format size lens later on. since sony already have deal with hassey, may be they can make x-pan-3 using a square medium format sensor.
 
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Ben Rubinstein

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biglouis said:
Even if they could I can't see why Sony would release a MF model. It is hardly a mass market product. Maybe they would do it for reasons of reputation but they are not exactly tapping into a market as lucrative as displacing either Nikon or Canon.

I'll probably have to eat my words but does anyone except for a specialised niche of professional photographers actually need a 50mpx MF camera in this day and age?

LouisB
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Assuming normal pricing (not MF pricing) say up to $5000, I'd buy 3 for our studio without hesitating for a single second.
 
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bipbip

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Ah, how times change. I still remember cringing as I handed over a cheque for 9000€ to pay for a 1Ds when we switched over to digital and got peanuts for our Mamiya 645 bodies ...
 
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fotografz

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If the MFD rumor is true, it could be part of the Sony end-run around the entrenched 35mm DSLR stone wall called Nikon/Canon they have not been able to breach with their DSLR/SLTs.

Shrink the size and pump up the resolution with the FE mount system on one end, gain street cred for Image Quality with a MFD kit on the other end. Both at reasonable price points.

They seem to have gotten the message about AF speed (a6000), and how they managed to allow focus points over the entire sensor is a game changer … now, the next generation of Sony EVF will be of paramount importance … it must get better … and the lag reduced or eliminated.

IBIS should be part of their planning for these mega meg cameras. Plus, they have to jettison all the consumer junk from their higher end cameras. They started out right with the A900 which was lean and mean and had suburb ergonomics and control placement … then reverted back to a "paint-by-numbers" Swiss army Knife mentality with the A99.

- Marc
 
johnnygoesdigital

johnnygoesdigital

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I think a heck of a lot of photographers would get into MFD image quality … IF … the price is "relatively" reasonable, and it's not a brick to carry around. fotografz





Actually, I think several cameras such as the Sigma DP Merrill's(DP3), D800/e, and Sony's A7/r come pretty close to MFD in image quality in certain set ups. Not one single MFD camera shoots broadcast quality video either. I've shot with most of them and only find certain lenses(dof), and flash sync to be the real difference. Of course, leaf shutters are the key for strobes and studio work, and anything that needs to be printed billboard size, but for all those who are already speculating about what's the next technology - you'll never be satisfied. Today's digital cameras are incredibly superior to anything imagined, and every one of them takes a good photo. With all due respect, this thread just feeds the planned obsolescence machine that companies love because the next gimmick is coming soon to your favorite camera store.
I can't imagine having any more tech built into today's current offerings! you've got Wi FI, GPS, broadcast quality video, HSS, Hyper sync, numerous AF points, panorama, HDR, scene modes, auto everything, fast shooting modes, etc. Today's photographers are an increasingly lazy bunch who seem content to suckle on the teat of digital photography's marketing. Don't get me wrong new tech can be innovative, but the A7 is a game changer as far as 35mm FF DSLR's go. Can't we just enjoy this for a while before we feel inadequate...again?
 
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peterv

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I don't know, now that you mention it, I was hoping that buying this upcoming super MF camera would finally make me a good photographer.
 
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iiiNelson

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johnnygoesdigital said:

I think a heck of a lot of photographers would get into MFD image quality … IF … the price is "relatively" reasonable, and it's not a brick to carry around. fotografz





Actually, I think several cameras such as the Sigma DP Merrill's(DP3), D800/e, and Sony's A7/r come pretty close to MFD in image quality in certain set ups. Not one single MFD camera shoots broadcast quality video either. I've shot with most of them and only find certain lenses(dof), and flash sync to be the real difference. Of course, leaf shutters are the key for strobes and studio work, and anything that needs to be printed billboard size, but for all those who are already speculating about what's the next technology - you'll never be satisfied. Today's digital cameras are incredibly superior to anything imagined, and every one of them takes a good photo. With all due respect, this thread just feeds the planned obsolescence machine that companies love because the next gimmick is coming soon to your favorite camera store.
I can't imagine having any more tech built into today's current offerings! you've got Wi FI, GPS, broadcast quality video, HSS, Hyper sync, numerous AF points, panorama, HDR, scene modes, auto everything, fast shooting modes, etc. Today's photographers are an increasingly lazy bunch who seem content to suckle on the teat of digital photography's marketing. Don't get me wrong new tech can be innovative, but the A7 is a game changer as far as 35mm FF DSLR's go. Can't we just enjoy this for a while before we feel inadequate...again?
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I agree that a great photographer can take a great picture with any camera but the reason why GAS exists is because a great picture taken with an iPhone would surely have more impact taken with an A7r. It's as simple as that. Yes most cameras are "good enough" but I think the artist in us are constantly seeking the "masterpiece" as well. While I've taken some of my favorite pictures with a point and shoot or Micro 4/3 cameras, I can wholeheartedly say those same pictures would have more impact if taken with my M9, A7, or A7r.
 
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dwood

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I've heard that Sony is actively working on two new technologies, based on artificial intelligence, that promises to break new ground. The first is ASL, (Auto Shutter Lock) and the second is ARC (Auto Re-Compose).

If ASL is turned on, the camera detects if the shot to be taken is worth the effort. If it's clear that the shot will be a waste of time, the shutter is locked out, and the shot will simply not happen. This is a significant, and long overdue feature for many photographers.

ARC gathers real-time data on the composition of the subject when the shutter button is half-pressed, and if the composition is determined to be crap, the sensor will actually pivot on it axis to attempt a more suitable composition. If a pleasing composition cannot be made, ASL is engaged, and a message will appear on the LCD prompting the photographer to pack up and go home.

I'm in. :D
 
johnnygoesdigital

johnnygoesdigital

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If a camera is going to determine what is a pleasing composition or worth the effort in order to release the shutter, then what's the point of even showing up? Go film!
 
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