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HCam Master TS 11-24mm

BJNY

Member
As promised here fresh from the calculator the pricelist.

One drawback - our eloxing will take longer than expected,
we´ll have some delay from this, the final versions will be shipping in 4 weeks, I had expected these to be ready in 2, but .....that´s life.
Tomorrow I´ll post a nice file with all the possible shifts on all focal lengths

Greetings from Germany
Stefan
Thank you for updated price list.

What is eloxing, please,
and what was improved or added for version II of HCam Master TS?

Also, I'm unclear about Hcam Novoflex TS Rail geared, with shift and tilt function of standard.
I can see how it swings, but how does it tilt?

Thank you,
Billy
 

Stefan Steib

Active member
@Billy
Eloxating is Black anodizing the surfaces. Unfortunately the people who run these services are filled up with work and as our parts are not exceeding the 1000 Pieces/job, we got shifted backwards as plenty other work came in.

Version 2 is improved for usage with the 11-24mm. With the first version we had some vignetting that was not useful, so the opening of the unshifted adapter is now 3mm broader and 7mm !!! higher.
That does a lot of more movements for all lenses, but especially for the 11-24mm this was essential.
Further: this is the first of a new generation of TS adapters - it has an interchangable back bajonett mount, which will fit for Sony emount, Mft, Samsung NX, Fuji and Canon M.
This alone is a big improvement, as this will allow dealers to get one TS adapter and some bajonetts and have all customers of evil cameras served.

@Guy
Yes that is the price. The Canon lens does have a full Canon International guarantee intact - as the rebuild is done by Canon Germany .
We do this because this is the only way to keep the full quality of this amazing lens -plus- ensure the rebuild is done by specialists who are trained for this lens. That costs more, but I think at this level of quality we want to reach , that is the only way for full user satisfaction !

More tomorrow

Greetings from Germany
Stefan
 

BJNY

Member
Thank you again Stefan,

Is there a standard zoom lens (35-70mm or thereabouts) that you can recommend
that is exceptional at full shift/tilt of HCam Master TS II?

Please don't reply Leica S 30-90mm ;)

Billy
 

Stefan Steib

Active member
Ok Jury - here are the results of the widest shift competition ever.
I was a bit positively surprised but also bit negative.

Test Conditions: evenly lighted white wall, lens set to infinity, stopped down to F11. For explanation the internal "hole" is not quite square so depending of how you rotate, you may either get to the smaller/shorter or the longer side. Thus I did the whole rotation 4x , horizontal and vertical and both in Landscape and Portrait mode. In theory there might be differing results if the adapter is rotated another 180 degrees, but that should be just a mirror of what I have documented here.

The positive news: the maximum shift of up to 12mm is at 15mm !
even at 14 mm focal length there is up to 10mm shift. That is more than I expected ! And this means NO vignetting in the corners. if you take some slight vignetting maybe because there is sky or stuff that can be stamped back with photoshop you can add another 2-3mm of shift !
The sharpness is excellent even to the usable limits, I tried it with our focusing target and at full life view zoom, it´s tack sharp to the limits.
Vignetting is a bit more but no problem to be removed in post.
Even better: distortion is also no more than in the center. Focus is really flat, at f11 I was able to move the focusing target around and have even focus on the walls surface.

Now for the negative news:
There obviously is an additional lighttrap that is not visible when the lens is shifted at open aperture. But it will become more and more visible when you use it stopped down and it reaches to the longer focal length.
This means from 16mm and longer the usable image circle stopped down is shrinking again to the value of the 11mm at wide start. so 24mm is pretty useless for all those who wanted to replace the TS-E 24mm with it.

Even the 17mm TS-E may have its usage on the Master TS as this allows both TS-E lenses over 20mm of shift.

So this solution is for the superwide specialists, nothing else can offer such an image angle from 11-16mm with up to 12mm of shift.
Actually even the combination with our shaved Nikon AF-S 2,8/14-24mm G-ED may make sense as there the maximum movements are reached from 18-22mm.

Next candidate to test will be the Tamron 2,8/15-30mm. I need to get this ASAP.
Following the actual tests this should max at shifts of either 20 -25 (if the construction is like the Canon) or from 22-28mm if it is similar to the Nikon.
 

Stefan Steib

Active member
Hi Billy

did you see that post in the other HCam master TS 14-24mm Thread ?

http://www.getdpi.com/forum/636573-post173.html

".....I have a 645 Mamiya 55-110mm which I use for the longer range TS shots.
As Jack said - works pretty good and even for a budget !

Even shorter alternatives are the Pentax SMC FA 645 33 - 55mm F4.5 AL and the Pentax SMC A 645 Zoom 45-85mm f/4.5

Both with a second Mirex MF to EOS adapter...."

Greetings from Germany
Stefan
 

Guy Mancuso

Administrator, Instructor
I would probably have more interest in the Tammy 15-30 that covers a pretty nice focal length for me. Of course it sounds like you need to cut the hood off as well. Maybe not
 
Just when I was about to place an order for the older adapter, you come out with a newer version!

All good, I guess I can wait 4 weeks :)

Next up, Hcam master with electronic communication for Canon Eos lenses! That would be truly epic!

I think the improvements are a great idea, especially the replaceable rear mounts..

How much are these likely to be? Say for a Samsung mount?

Thanks again. Will be looking to place an order once these new version II models are made :)
 

Stefan Steib

Active member
I can´t tell yet. But I expect these around 100 € each.
We are right now finishing the adapters and it´s a bit early for this.

Greetings from right now Cologne
on the way back home
Stefan
 

Stefan Steib

Active member
HCam Master TS V2 with Canon EF-L 4/11-24mm


Attention - today at 9.56 am german time the gordian knot has been cut.
I got the info from Canon how to remove the back Lighttrap and now we have full shift to the longer side:
Maximum 15mm all around at 18mm focal length !!!
at 19mm shift 14,5mm
at 20mm shift 14mm
at 21mm shift 13,5mm
at 22mm shift 13mm
at 23mm shuft 12,5mm
at 24mm we still have 12mm(in Landscape!)

- vertical full 15mm !!!

all measured at F11 !

A major breakthrough !!!

Now we are ready to deliver the system.
Even better: no additional costs for this second modification !
The first final adapters will ship in 3 weeks.
So if anyone needs one asap, he can order now, as we need to proceed the Canon 11-24mm also around 2-3 weeks until its back from ordering, cutting,shipping and final brushup.


Hip Hip Hurra - Mission accomplished !
 
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Stefan Steib

Active member
Rain is pouring here down like crazy, but I did some shots from my Balcony:

even the corners full shifted at 18 or24mm focal length are tack sharp with f11. The focus scale on the lens points to something like a bit over 1 m to have best focus from there to infinity. Set and forget. Only thing you will have to do with this is set to manual exposure, and then change exposure time when you do a walktrough of a building/rooms/total view.

The wet dream of an old viewcamera user like me.

:clap:
 
V

Vivek

Guest
Is the rear gel filter holder gone? Can you show a picture of the rear, Stefan?
 

Stefan Steib

Active member
@Vivek
yes the gel filter holder is completely gone - we have open space now from inner edge to edge of bajonett mount, with the electronic contacts protruding maybe 2-3 mm.

Mount inside needs to be treated with black stuff/tape/similar now, but as the HCam Master TS is kind of it´s own lighttrap, no problem at all.

Regards
Stefan
 

daf

Member
Whaouuuuuu
That looks impressive!
I may get one of This...but i née to check m'y bank first;)
How about the distorsion? I know it can be correct after but i'd like to know what come out of the box with say 7mm of shift ?
Dis you tryed the 24-70ii ? It xould make the perfect combo with This one...
 

Stefan Steib

Active member
Hi DaF
the Canon is nearly free of distortion ! About the same like the TS-E 17mm or 24mm.
Even at 11mm there is not much vignetting and it is tack sharp all over nearly from open aperture. A fantastic lens and worth every penny ! I think this will become a revolution in architecture photography.
About other lenses: I would think a 17-35mm would even match better.
because then you will already have overcome the starting small image circle of 17mm at 21-22mm and will have the full range up to 35mm !

Still: next try will be Tamron 15-30mm
Promised !
 

Stefan Steib

Active member
Update: will have a brandnew 15-30 Tamron for Nikon(it has a little mechanical pin- so we will be able to use the aperture with the Novoflex Nikon G-ED->EOS adapter !!!) and a new version Canon 16-35mm either tomorrow or latest friday.

Now the real fun starts.

Greetings from Germany
Stefan
 

daf

Member
I have the 16-35f4,
There is not Much room for shift 3/4mm at both end and about 8mm shift at 22mm.
Sharpness is pretty good at f8 from 16mmto28mm not good at 35mm.
Lot of distorsion on all the range(but easly correctable on capture one) except at 24mm where it is almost free of distorsion.
 

Stefan Steib

Active member
Hmm - yes I remember, but this is with the new V2 Hcam Master TS. Maybe that will improve it.
And just for the research: I will have also access to a Nikon G-ED AF-S 2,8/17-35mm, Lets see how that will perform.

BTW: just tested
Sigma ART 1,4/50mm landscape vertical shift 15mm /f11 no vignetting
Sigma ART 1,4/35mm landscape vertical shift 12mm /f11 no vignetting
Sigma ART 1,4/24mm landscape vertical shift 7-8mm /f11 no vignetting

Sigma ART 4/24-105mm landscape vertical shift only 2-3mm /f11 no vignetting, doesn´t improve on any focal range. I´d call this unusable for TS.

Greetings from Germany
Stefan
 
Hmm - yes I remember, but this is with the new V2 Hcam Master TS. Maybe that will improve it.
And just for the research: I will have also access to a Nikon G-ED AF-S 2,8/17-35mm, Lets see how that will perform.

BTW: just tested
Sigma ART 1,4/50mm landscape vertical shift 15mm /f11 no vignetting
Sigma ART 1,4/35mm landscape vertical shift 12mm /f11 no vignetting
Sigma ART 1,4/24mm landscape vertical shift 7-8mm /f11 no vignetting

Sigma ART 4/24-105mm landscape vertical shift only 2-3mm /f11 no vignetting, doesn´t improve on any focal range. I´d call this unusable for TS.

Greetings from Germany
Stefan
How are the 50 and 35mm ART lenses looking at the edges with 12mm shift. Can't wait to get the Mirex Stefan!!
 
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