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    Waiting for the bus


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    Evening commute


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    Waiting for the 241A bus home last night at 7:22pm. Chinatown and Central market area in Adelaide, South Australia. Colour version.
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    Bart ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Knorp View Post
    Bart, I am not impressed. I realise that I am quite new to the Sony mono area. But I thought that since I had maintained a slightly-surreal weird sh1t franchise (with good shadow detail) over in µ43, this could well have translated to godhood in this very place. But here you are, you know … posting weird and interesting sh1t!

    Is there anywhere else I can seek refuge? The Pentax Universe-ette is no good, since all that equipment has been sold, BEFORE THEY ANNOUNCED THE K-1, damn it! I’m also ridding myself of the Mamiya kit, before the joints seize up.

    Alas. [sob]
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    Quote Originally Posted by mediumcool View Post
    Bart, I am not impressed. I realise that I am quite new to the Sony mono area. But I thought that since I had maintained a slightly-surreal weird sh1t franchise (with good shadow detail) over in µ43, this could well have translated to godhood in this very place. But here you are, you know … posting weird and interesting sh1t!

    Is there anywhere else I can seek refuge? The Pentax Universe-ette is no good, since all that equipment has been sold, BEFORE THEY ANNOUNCED THE K-1, damn it! I’m also ridding myself of the Mamiya kit, before the joints seize up.

    Alas. [sob]
    Ian, really sorry but I've no idea what you are driveling about ! Take a deep breath and keep shooting ...

    All the best.
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    I'm taking a wild guess here, but I suspect you two have prior history.
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    I thought that he was giving you a nice complement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JoelM View Post
    I thought that he was giving you a nice complement.
    No worries, I think so too !
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    Nice complement, yes, but compliment?
    With best regards, K-H.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dandrewk View Post
    I'm taking a wild guess here, but I suspect you two have prior history.
    Yep, we have a long bus stop relation ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by k-hawinkler View Post
    Nice complement, yes, but compliment?
    Ah yes, I should've consulted Grammar Girl to complement my knowledge base. This is terrible considering I'm a writer.

    Cheers,

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    It all goes to show that photographers do better with pictures than with words?

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    A sweeping generalization?
    With best regards, K-H.

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    I tried posting this as a color image, but realized it's stronger as BW.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thompsonkirk View Post
    I tried posting this as a color image, but realized it's stronger as BW.

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    Still playing with Silver Efex Pro, lots more to do than how I did my B&W conversions in LR. So far I like this new tool (to me) a lot.

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    Still (mis)using my new toy: Silver Efex Pro 2 (Blue filter, copper toned)

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    Zapata on 24th Street, Mission District, SF

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    Hopefully, Ian is more impressed this time ...
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    A vintage photograph, Knorp, or have you come upon a vintage Deux Chevaux?

    Here's a BW portrait of a senior-citizen hiker, in the style of August Sander (I hope):

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    Complicated: A downhill path

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    Slightly surreal:

    Claude Alley, SF

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    First image post here...very stark but I rather like it. Ash tree in winter; Sony A7RII with Zeiss 21/2.8 Distagon (ZE mount with Metabones IV adapter).
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    Very important message

    (But does anyone know what it means?)

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    A7RII, Loxia 21mm, F/5.6, 1/5 sec, ISO160, handheld (leaning against wall) using IBIS.

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    Untitled by Vivek Iyer, on Flickr

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    I was unaware of this thread until now. Here's some of the Brooklyn Bridge and Manhattan skyline from two weeks ago. Full-spectrum A7R with 55mm FE f1.8 and 720nm IR filter. 3 images handheld, stitched with photoshop, some minor tweaking in LR otherwise B&W conversion done in camera.

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    Here's the good ol' ranch-barn-gate cliche, times three. My own preference is the last and simplest one.

    Pierce Point Ranch, Point Reyes National Seashore.

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    Here's the good ol' ranch-barn-gate cliche, times three. My own preference is the last and simplest one.

    Pierce Point Ranch, Point Reyes National Seashore.

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    1 and 3, especially 3 have a wonderful sensibility to them. They are very much in the vein of Robert Adams' The New West.
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    Thank you for the compliment! I printed the third one today.

    I showed the trio to a friend whose reaction was that they all looked like pictures that other people had taken before. I guess that's the downside of being 'in the vein' of someone else's work!

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    Quote Originally Posted by thompsonkirk View Post
    Thank you for the compliment! I printed the third one today.

    I showed the trio to a friend whose reaction was that they all looked like pictures that other people had taken before. I guess that's the downside of being 'in the vein' of someone else's work!

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    Quote Originally Posted by thompsonkirk View Post
    Here's the good ol' ranch-barn-gate cliche, times three. My own preference is the last and simplest one.

    Pierce Point Ranch, Point Reyes National Seashore.

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    Agreed. I find the third posted pic to be an absolute winner; the first two are busy by comparison, with uncertain cropping (try cropping out the RHS tree in number 2—it’s too symmetrical for my taste as it stands). This shot has simplicity and ample texture in its favour, and a peacefulness and depth which I enjoy very much! I would crop the top a bit, to make the experience a little more concentrated. Contrast could be increased slightly, but details are holding well in shadows and highlights, and it would be a bad thing for them to block up or blow, though making the sunlit parts brighter would provide a sense of heat. I particularly like the separation in the shadow area at the base of the image. And is that uncorrected barrel distortion, or is the wall really a bit bendy?

    Your pic reminds me of some of Fred Picker’s work—his handling of shadow detail and texture was terrific, and has strongly influenced my work. And you have avoided over-sharpening too!

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    Thx for both compliments and suggestions! In return, I admired your tonal achievements in the 'Driveway' shot you just posted.

    I think I've done what you wanted to see in the print – more local contrast and also more emphasis on shadow detail (light application of Silver Effex Structure to midtones and shadows, but not highlights; and a bit of the Local Contrast Enhancement described on Luminous Landscape years ago). I didn't crop it, though.

    And thx also for noticing the curvature and drawing that line! I've been playing with this and decided to leave it in this one to raise just the question you asked – is it distortion, or a building bending with age?

    I've been converting A7rII and RX1rII files from uncompressed ARWs into DNGs, which supposedly offer smaller files with lossless compression – and also the advantage of dismissing any automatic lens corrections. Then it's easy to toggle Enable/Disable in LR or later in PS. With the Sony lenses that offer the boldest distortion, for example 28 f2 or 35 f2, I like to look at files both ways to see whether or not I appreciate the barrels & pincushions. This one was a hard call, so I made a work print of each. As you quickly detected, I initially thought the uncorrected version was more interesting, though perhaps that's too much. If it's too noticeable, I can go back to the straightened version or else aim right in between.

    Thx again; I appreciate your taking such a close look,

    Kirk

    PS, another point of agreement: to my eyes over-sharpening is the most prevalent and least enjoyable of digital processing sins. I find that if I leave it all out – usually even the default capture sharpening in LR/ACR – then the results look more 'photographic' to me, or more like grainless film.
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    Thx for both compliments and suggestions! In return, I admired your tonal achievements in ‘Driveway’ shot you just posted.
    Thanks; I also like what I achieved in a bridge shot (made the same day); I find it easier to obtain pleasing monochrome results with the a7 than with my Olympus E-M5, as that camera rolls off the highlights too much for my taste. I will have to do some tripod-bound testing at varying exposures—slight under-exposure should make for less “slope-y” highlights (Hurter and Driffield have a lot to answer for!).



    Quote Originally Posted by thompsonkirk View Post
    I think I’ve done what you wanted to see in the print—more local contrast and also more emphasis on shadow detail (light application of Silver Effex Structure to midtones and shadows, but not highlights; and a bit of the Local Contrast Enhancement described on Luminous Landscape years ago).
    I use no third-party add-ons, as Capture One does not do plug-ins to my knowledge.

    Quote Originally Posted by thompsonkirk View Post
    And thx also for noticing the curvature and drawing that line! I’ve been playing with this and decided to leave it in this one to raise just the question you asked—is it distortion, or a building bending with age?
    Any unwanted tilt or curvature drives me nuts!

    Quote Originally Posted by thompsonkirk View Post
    I’ve been converting A7rII and RX1rII files from uncompressed ARWs into DNGs, which supposedly offer smaller files with lossless compression—and also the advantage of dismissing any automatic lens corrections. Then it’s easy to toggle Enable/Disable in LR or later in PS. With the Sony lenses that offer the boldest distortion, for example 28 f2 or 35 f2, I like to look at files both ways to see whether or not I appreciate the barrels & pincushions. This one was a hard call, so I made a work print of each. As you quickly detected, I initially thought the uncorrected version was more interesting, though perhaps that’s too much. If it’s too noticeable, I can go back to the straightened version or else aim right in between.
    I use Capture One as already noted—I find Lr slow and frustrating, and consider its output less impressive (though I rent it, along with Ps). You can download a light Sony version of C1 for FREE, and it is quite inexpensive to upgrade to the ‘full’ Sony version—a mere €50! And there’s a 30-day full-featured demo available too.

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    PS, another point of agreement: to my eyes over-sharpening is the most prevalent and least enjoyable of digital processing sins. I find that if I leave it all out—usually even the default capture sharpening in LR/ACR—then the results look more ‘photographic’ to me, or more like grainless film.
    Over-sharpening is rife here and elsewhere—I think that many photographers use one sharpening setting (for prints) for all their output, even pictures at say 900 pixels heigh, which is my standard online size. I should make a sharpening preset just for output to screen from Capture One (I am saving up for an Epson P800 as don’t have a decent printer—there are lots of images ready for printing!).

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    Over-sharpening is rife
    This is so very true...
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    Four people passing -
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    It was not really a monochrome capture to start with!

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    Thanks; I also like what I achieved in a bridge shot (made the same day); I find it easier to obtain pleasing monochrome results with the a7 than with my Olympus E-M5, as that camera rolls off the highlights too much for my taste. I will have to do some tripod-bound testing at varying exposures—slight under-exposure should make for less “slope-y” highlights (Hurter and Driffield have a lot to answer for!).





    I use no third-party add-ons, as Capture One does not do plug-ins to my knowledge.



    Any unwanted tilt or curvature drives me nuts!



    I use Capture One as already noted—I find Lr slow and frustrating, and consider its output less impressive (though I rent it, along with Ps). You can download a light Sony version of C1 for FREE, and it is quite inexpensive to upgrade to the ‘full’ Sony version—a mere €50! And there’s a 30-day full-featured demo available too.



    Over-sharpening is rife here and elsewhere—I think that many photographers use one sharpening setting (for prints) for all their output, even pictures at say 900 pixels heigh, which is my standard online size. I should make a sharpening preset just for output to screen from Capture One (I am saving up for an Epson P800 as don’t have a decent printer—there are lots of images ready for printing!).

    I'm in the same boat. I'm in the middle of my MFA and we have three 9900's, two 7900's, a bunch of 4900's, and a Xerox Phaser.

    I'm in heaven but after graduation next year I'm back to my home "studio" with no printing solution.
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    Re: The Definitive Sony B&W Images Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by mediumcool View Post
    Thanks; I also like what I achieved in a bridge shot (made the same day); I find it easier to obtain pleasing monochrome results with the a7 than with my Olympus E-M5, as that camera rolls off the highlights too much for my taste. I will have to do some tripod-bound testing at varying exposures—slight under-exposure should make for less “slope-y” highlights (Hurter and Driffield have a lot to answer for!).
    Hi there Ian,

    I'm sure you are already aware of this but please check the 'Base Characteristics / Curve' setting for your imported E-M5 images.
    I noticed that in my case 'Curve' was set to 'Auto' resulting in more 'slope-y' shoulder and toe areas. I'd prefer 'Linear Response' for smoother and more graduated tones.
    But then, what do I know ...

    Kind regards.
    Bart ...
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