Well this ticks a lot of boxes for me too and I wonder with this new back-lit sensor if it’ll be a good candidate for stitching…?
I have an entry-level MF Tech cam kit with a Cambo WRS, 22mp back and a 45mm Rodenstock with huge image circle for stitching. My next steps were to head toward a P45+ which at 39mp wouldn’t overstretch the slightly older lens I have currently, and allow me to get more into long-exposure which is something I miss with the Leaf. The P45+ is well under $10k on the used market now which fits my budget.
And now this 42mp Sony comes along!
I was tempted with an A7RII, a 24TSE, a Metabones, and the Zork adapter for fixed lens shifting (camera moves, not lens). This would be a small neat kit and I’ve seen several hiking landscape photographers (my types) select this.
However the Canon TSE doesn’t offer rise/fall at the same time as shift left/right do they? Most of my images on the Cambo involve setting rise/fall for verticals correction then left right stitch for angle of view at the same time. Nice and straight forward.
So perhaps I should look at the Cambo Actus? An A7RII, a Cambo Actus for shifting and what 45mm (or thereabouts) lens? I’d have to wait for people to test shifting with the Hassy lenses that are popular with the current 36mp Sony and Actus combos.
Thanks Sony… let the research begin!
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well done sony ,I just wish canon could do what sony are doing but that isn't goin to happen..the oled view finder will be a great help and sooooo big like the fugi xt1..4k fantastic ,42 mega pixels just spot on I think and 5 axis wow ,all those old lenses I have in boxes may have to come out lol..still think nothing touches foveon sensor but sony have im sure made all the other camera manufactures realise they cant just keep milking us with rubbish high priced products..your doing well sony just get the price nice for people who cant afford it and you have a winning combo
This is a nice camera for sure, and one I will consider. I wonder if IBIS works shooting 4K video. In that case, Sony has found a solution to heat problems. The demo video that demonstrates AF used on a go-kart indicates that they have fixed the viewfinder lag. It will be interesting to see if this is reality or something they have manipulated in the video.
The only serious remaining issue in my eyes is the tiny battery. All this new technology obviously sucks it empty even faster than with the old model. With the A7R II, it's rated for 290 shots rather than the 340 shots of the old one. Why they didn't include a larger battery in the Mark II models is very difficult to understand. I look forward to try this out though.
It's a none issue for me as I already have several Sony cameras that use the same batteries.
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Just a logical conclusion. DXO measured the A7r with 14,1 stops of DR.
The Nikon D800/e with the same sensor but a better signal processing reached 14,4 Stops. The Nikon 810 still with the same sensor, but further improved Processing reached 14,8 Stops.
Now the A7rII has a massively improved BSI sensor (2 stops higher sensitivity) plus a new BIONZ processing.
That should do the trick. We will soon (august) see how it works.
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Video is another challenge. 4K uses a lot of power, and professional video cameras typically use large batteries to get around this. Sony obviously knows that, since they make some of those cameras. If a cameras is out of juice in the middle of a shot, it's back to square one, if square one still exists.
I think I will pre-order this one.
I have been waiting for the A9 but I am not sure it will make it to market in my lifetime.
My Samsung NX1 also has BSI and it is a terrific sensor.
I am hoping that I can do everything with the Sony and Samsung systems and sell off all my Nikon gear.
"Additionally, the focal plane phase-detection AF system on the α7R II works well with Sony A-mount lenses when they are mounted on the camera using an LA-EA3 or LA-EA1 mount adapter."
Is LA-EA4 not supported? Or it is because it has phase detect AF, hence special mention of the other two that do not have this?
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I wait to see the new sensor real world with M glass.
I've fallen to Sony hype in the past and am wary now
As noted above, the battery is beyond stupid, and it's another sign of incomplete work that it has not been replaced. Of course an extra can be carried, but invariably, real world, you find yourself without one. Not to mention the charging rituals the camera demands.
But I like it anyway
I like that the battery is unchanged from my other ones!
I already have 6 batteries and 2 chargers.
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Bigger battery means bigger body. Look at Leicas battery it's the same size. I have 7 I rarely get past two a day. Battery drain over the Internet sounds like running water. Hardly the case when in use and aware of saving battery time.
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No brainer upgrade for me. I love the fact that the batteries are the same and that they've kept with the superior ergonomics of the A7II series. I've been using my A7II almost exclusively since I got it and much prefer the layout and handling compared to my A7r and A7s. Heck, if they come out with an A7SII I'll get that too.
I was going to upgrade my Phase One DF+ body but to be honest I won't bother now. For DSLR work I've been using the Canon TS-E lenses on the Sony system and it's been great.
Time to send the A7r off for an IR conversion me thinks. August is just around the corner.
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Jorgen these batteries are really small and light. Think of a pack of cigerattes . I can get 6 batteries in that pack. This whole battery thing is more internet lure than anything else. Even when I'm shooting 15000 images in 4 days. I go through about 8 batteries total. Meaning I change the batteries in my vertical grip 4 times.
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I spent (or wasted?) an hour or so reading about the Leica Q before hearing about this new Sony. But now I've e-mailed my dealer with an A7RII pre-order.
Normally I wait for the early buyers to Beta-test and then complain about their new cameras before I get in line to buy one. But this seems to fix all the A7R problems that had concerned me, particularly the shutter/vibrator.
I've been using MM 95% of the time, and A7 for occasional color. But after using MM for a while, I checked its files against A7r's BW conversions and found they were virtually equal in resolution and IQ at the size of my BW prints (never over 17x22).
So I'll just swap my 24mm Elmarit for a 25mm Batis and use it as the bridge lens between WATE and MATE. Bye-bye to Leica's double-priced Monochrom bodies.
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6 x 150g batteries (or whatever they weigh) = 900g
3 x 300g batteries = 900g
If the 150g battery gives 250 shots and the 300g battery gives 500 shots, so....
... I do not get the big deal about the small batteries. You just need more of them and the weight is the same (in your bag) as a camera with fewer heavier ones. The weight in your hand however, is lower, as is the bulk in the grip.
I have never found 15 seconds for a battery change at lunchtime to be a great problem. I shot the A7 and A7R in Iceland in January during severe and cold weather. I don't recall replacing more than two batteries (in total) in a day and usually only one (or occasionally none).
I really want to test my Canon lenses + Metabones on this new version. I was already pretty happy with the A7R + Canon lenses. Just the slower-than-snail AF was a bit annoying.
Yesterday, I was thinking that my next camera may well be the 5DsR. But now, I'm not so sure...
Not ridiculous AF, humongous dynamic range, smaller size, flexibility to use Canon lenses or Zeiss Batis. It all sounds really good.
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8 batteries = 336g = 2,320 shots
Nikon D810 Battery = 88g
2 batteries = 176g = 2,400 shots
No, the weight is not the issue, charging is, at least for me when I travel. If I use 4 batteries within a day, I will have to charge 4 batteries in the evening. That means more than one charger or sitting in the hotel room changing batteries to be charged while I would rather have visited a local restaurant to have dinner. It's not a big issue, but it's a hassle. I had it with the Panasonics, and I often started the day without full charge on all batteries. In addition, many batteries means more items to be remembered, packed, stored etc.
Currently, I travel with 1 camera, 4 lenses (1 on the camera), 2 batteries (1 in the camera), 1 charger and 4 cards (2 in the camera). That's 12 items, 8 when deducting what's inside/on the camera
With the A7R II, I would travel with 1 camera, 4 lenses (1 on the camera), 8 batteries (one in the camera), 2 chargers and 4 cards (1 in the camera). That's 19 items, 16 when deducting what's inside/on the camera.
When I travelled with the Olympus OM-1, I had camera, 3 lenses and 10 rolls of Velvia. That was 14 units. And they said digital would make life simpler?
What sort of shooting are you doing, because I had 6 or 7 batteries with me in Iceland and never got close to needing them all on a given day? While the shooting day was not super long, it was severely cold so the battery life was poor.
I too would prefer the Sony cams to have better battery life, but at the same time find it has next to no impact on 'photographic operations' for me personally. I just have to be a bit organised and have an 'end of day' routine for recharging, cleaning, image backup etc. I would not really consider these tiny batteries as 'items' in the same way as others as they are not complicated to handle or manage and you can pack them into any available crevice they are so small. I suppose the other upshot is redundancy. If one fails, its a small % of your overall power. If one of two larger batteries is lost or fails, them its a bigger problem.
For week long hikes and remote travel where there is no power for recharging, the A7's battery life would be a worry, for sure.
And 12 rolls of Velvia = 360 shots = 2 x A7 batteries (not 8), so you are still ahead with an A7!
As a Canon, 645z and A7ii shooter I am getting really quite exasperated with Canon.
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So the A7II is only 6 moths old and already it is dated as the A7rII seems to have a lot of technology apart from the MP count that could have been and the A7II. I wonder if Sony could add the electronic shutter function that I see the A7rII has (of course along with the A7s).
Another kind of photography I do is motor sports, where around 2,000 photos per day is often the norm. There are others who shoot much more. You shoot all relevant cars at the first couple of laps, in burst mode, then trying to improve the shots throughout the race, and when there are 10 or more races in a day... 2,000 shots go very fast. If there's oil on the track, a fire, it starts to rain or whatever, hundreds of shots are fired within minutes to get the most spectacular one. 15 seconds to change battery is not an option. That will happen when the race leader crashes into a wall in spectacular fashion.
For some reason, camera manufacturers have for years optimised cameras and batteries to get as many shots per charge as possible. I simply don't believe that this has suddenly become irrelevant. For me, it's most certainly not, and when it is, I still feel more comfortable with a battery that covers me for 1,000 or 3,000 shots than one that can only manage 300.
I'm sure the A7R II is a fine camera, probably one of the best out there right now, the best for many. But for me and a couple of others, it's only usable if they come up with a larger battery. I don't think it's wrong to point that out. Hopefully, Sony staff read photography forums
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The question is "does it still have lossy raw compression?".
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This whole battery discussion is a boring repeat of what was discussed in many previous threads. For me it's a non-issue, for some others it is and that's fine, but why does it have to be repeated and harped about with every new Sony camera introduction
Maybe some people who are concerned with the battery life could test this one. Low price might give some indication of longevity but if they work it's more then double the capacity of a standard Sony version.
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I suspect that if there is an A9 being developed, it won't be released until the AF can genuinely compete with DSLRs. I really think this is the next step and it may take another 18-24 months to get there. A larger heavier chassis (700g?) with bigger battery, inbuilt vertical grip perhaps... all this would appeal to many, but if it cannot compete in AF terms with DSLRs but is approaching this weight, it will be a hard sell.
As for the A7R II, I am not worried about the sensor being unproven, because who remembers the last bad Sony sensor? They're rather good on this front! I am not worried by the chassis (A7II has already proven that). In fact, what we see is most likely precisely what we will get. I see no reason to expect otherwise, firmware glitches aside.
I think we should forget compatibility with M wides. I very much doubt any will better the likes of the 25 Batis or 35mm Loxia. The FE system is maturing without the M camera overlap some (including myself) hoped for. At the same time, I am very pleased to see where it is going. The 25mm f2 Batis is much lighter than its DLST cousins (I feared a 600g monster). The system is still lighter and more compact than the DSLR, but with higher imaging potential than anything else on the market. Its bigger and more complex than Leica M, however, but offers many more features and more capability (which many M lovers would rather eschew).
The FE system has carved its own niche and its looking pretty darned appealing even for many of those who were previously unconvinced.
Some say Sony overcooked their press release, but I don't. To my eyes, this is a staggering step forwards (made 'viable' by the Batis lenses and, to a degree, the 28mm f2) and the penultimate step before the model that truly challenges DSLR owned territory.... and quite possibly the M-Rangefinder too (looking at the direction Leica has gone with the Q. Just give it 5-6 years and I struggle to see any other outcome.
I really have no concerns at all. The two sticking points dual card slots is always going to be a safeguard issue. Advice do not buy cheap SD cards. Spend the money on high quality cards like Sandisk extreme Pros and the like. You want fast cards for buffer reasons shooting and downloading. Don't skimp here. The compression stuff has not been a issue for me but it's a firmware upgrade and Sony is said to be working on it. I believe they are and also it maybe in the final production unit. Buying regardless. Batteries is a non issue for me. I actually like the small batteries and 3rd party batteries like Watsons work really well and are cheap as heck.
AF speed unless your shooting professional sports this is highly overrated. It's a non issue for real sports shooters . This thing can track very well and if it's even close to the A6000 than there is nothing t much better out there. FPS 5 frames for a 42 MPX sensor is just flat out outstanding. People forget that data rush on pushing this many MPX. You need more than you need less MPX cameras to do that , keep your canon. But I'm old school I shot sports with no motor drives no winders and still was successful. Honestly don't take offense but this is lazy people talking that just want to lay on the shutter and not think. Had to be said. LOL
Price is price pay it or not. Leica in my mind is overpriced but others buy them like buying a bottle of water. Good for them. There really is no argument here buy it or not, it's a personal call. I happen to think for the specs and the feature sets plus the ability to now take on canon glass with AF, Sony A glass with AF with speeds and full AF points is priceless. I'm buying not quibbling on this stuff. It's a camera that checks a lot of boxes for me. It's what I have been waiting for and I'm first in line.
Here is my real bottom line in all this. I have made some really outstanding images with the A7r and I mean on a technical level and IQ. This can only improve on the technical side of continuing that trend. Coming from a lot of systems and MF digital for years, I am really extremely pleased with my results and I'm one of the stickler persons around on that level. It may not fit everyone but it sure fits me and I see continued success on my ART and that's my bottom line. Now I just need to complete my lens lineup and get this body and I'll go hide in the dark corners of this planet and make some Art.
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