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    That's what it looked like earlier today when rain, thunder and lightning started right above me and I went back to my car and left.



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    Yesterday late afternoon...



    A7r2 + Leica APO-R 280/4, several shots stitched.
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    Murals












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    Los Luceros, in operation since 1703, is the oldest continuously operated Hacienda in the State of New Mexico.


    The bridge to Los Luceros,



    of course, crosses the Los Luceros Ditch, used for irrigation.



    The Cottonwood trees are especially stunning in their fall attire.


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    First shots with newly acquired Leica Vario-Elmar-R 35-70/4 on Sony A7r2.

















    I love the colors and think it's a keeper as it seems pretty sharp all the way to the corners, certainly at larger f-numbers!
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    According to Los Luceros | New Mexico Department of Cultural Affairs, quote:
    "Casa Grande, the 5,700 square-foot adobe home on the Los Luceros property, began its life as a four-room building in 1712. By 1763, the building had become a 24-room compound."




    Here is one of the bedrooms.


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    Quote Originally Posted by k-hawinkler View Post
    First shots with newly acquired Leica Vario-Elmar-R 35-70/4 on Sony A7r2.


    I love the colors and think it's a keeper as it seems pretty sharp all the way to the corners, certainly at larger f-numbers!
    So do I! Nice examples from the 35-70/4. This is my favorite R lens and it performs well on both my A7R-FS and A7RII.
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    So do I! Nice examples from the 35-70/4. This is my favorite R lens and it performs well on both my A7R-FS and A7RII.
    Well, well - received my copy this afternoon ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by scho View Post
    So do I! Nice examples from the 35-70/4. This is my favorite R lens and it performs well on both my A7R-FS and A7RII.
    Thanks Carl. I can see why this is your favorite R lens.
    The 28-90/2.8-4.5 is quite a bit bulkier and prone to flare.
    Next I will shoot the 35-70/4 into the Sun and see how that goes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Knorp View Post
    Well, well - received my copy this afternoon ...
    Excellent thought Bart. Good luck with that lens.
    How do you like it? Inquiring minds want to know.

    After thinking about it for several years, I finally ordered the Leica Summilux-R 80 mm F/1.4 ROM MF Lens.
    Ben Lieberman, alias roguewave on LUF, has shown many, many, many stunning shots with that lens, e.g. here: Home
    He has mostly used an R camera and lately a Nikon D800 IIRC.

    I got to try that lens, of course on the A7r2!
    With best regards, K-H.
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    Quote Originally Posted by k-hawinkler View Post
    Excellent thought Bart. Good luck with that lens.
    How do you like it? Inquiring minds want to know.
    A bit early to tell yet as I've just mounted the lens on my A7r2 ...
    Bart ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by k-hawinkler View Post
    I got to try that lens, of course on the A7r2!
    Let's bring on the SL then ...

    Bart ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Knorp View Post
    Let's bring on the SL then ...

    Not me Bart. I like my A7r/2 cameras.
    Are you interested in getting the SL?
    With best regards, K-H.

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    Quote Originally Posted by k-hawinkler View Post
    Not me Bart. I like my A7r/2 cameras.
    Are you interested in getting the SL?
    Of course I'm interested ! What else did you expect, K-H ...
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    You guys could have bought the Minolta MD 35-70 for 1/10th of the price. It is practicly the same lens made in cooperation with Leica.
    It even has a nice big red dot on it! But you snobs prefer the Leica logo
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    Quote Originally Posted by Michiel Schierbeek View Post
    You guys could have bought the Minolta MD 35-70 for 1/10th of the price. It is practicly the same lens made in cooperation with Leica.
    It even has a nice big red dot on it! But you snobs prefer the Leica logo
    It does not feel the same and you know it, Michiel!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    It does not feel the same and you know it, Michiel!
    True, it is more heavy and a lot colder in the winter! Heavy metal

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    It is not just the feel, just look.

    Untitled by Vivek Iyer, on Flickr

    I would not mount it on an SL but it is OK for a made in Thailand camera.

    Untitled by Vivek Iyer, on Flickr
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    Untitled by Vivek Iyer, on Flickr
    A7r, Leitz Vario Elmar 75-200 f/4.5, f/5.6, 200mm, hand-held
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    You could have bougt this one all the same. You see the red dot

    The other lens beside it was waiting for its adapter which came today after almost a month's touring around the globe.
    (Mamiya shift in Hasselblad mount)





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    Quote Originally Posted by Michiel Schierbeek View Post
    You could have bought this one all the same. You see the red dot
    Yes, Michiel but I bought it 17 years ago to use on Leica R bodies.

    Are you saying that you can buy a medium format camera for less than the price of some of the 24x36 sized digital cameras?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Knorp View Post
    Of course I'm interested ! What else did you expect, K-H ...
    Dunno. Have you pre-ordered one?
    With best regards, K-H.

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    Sorry K H . I could not resist

    I do like Leica lenses though, I have 7 myself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    Yes, Michiel but I bought it 17 years ago to use on Leica R bodies.

    Are you saying that you can buy a medium format camera for less than the price of some of the 24x36 sized digital cameras?
    No I didn't but I did buy a PentaxZ for about the same price as one Otus lens

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    Quote Originally Posted by Michiel Schierbeek View Post
    Sorry K H . I could not resist

    I do like Leica lenses though, I have 7 myself.

    Thanks Michiel, no problem at all. There seem to be a number of urls out there that attribute different optical designs to the various versions of the 35-70/3.5 and 35-70/4 from Minolta and from Leica, actually made by Kryocera (I probably misspelled the name). As you seem very knowledgable about the origins of these lenses, could you please explain the various designs and differences for me? I would appreciate that very much as I can't tell which of the web sites is correct. TIA.
    With best regards, K-H.

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    Thanks Michiel, no problem at all. There seem to be a number of urls out there that attribute different optical designs to the various versions of the 35-70/3.5 and 35-70/4 from Minolta and from Leica, actually made by Kryocera (I probably misspelled the name). As you seem very knowledgable about the origins of these lenses, could you please explain the various designs and differences for me? I would appreciate that very much as I can't tell which of the web sites is correct. TIA.
    K-H, I am also sorry for the distraction.

    Kryocera or rather Kyocera is a Japanese company with lots of expertise in ceramics. Even today they are a cutting edge tech company when it comes to ceramics. They also make ceramic knifes that are very very sharp.

    No idea about their optical designs though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    K-H, I am also sorry for the distraction.

    Kryocera or rather Kyocera is a Japanese company with lots of expertise in ceramics. Even today they are a cutting edge tech company when it comes to ceramics. They also make ceramic knifes that are very very sharp.

    No idea about their optical designs though.

    Thanks Vivek, I believe the lens I bought was designed by Leica but made by Kyocera, but of course, I can be wrong. So what do you know about that? TIA.
    With best regards, K-H.

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    Thanks Vivek, I believe the lens I bought was designed by Leica but made by Kyocera, but of course, I can be wrong. So what do you know about that? TIA.
    I think that Kyocera was the owner of Contax Yashica at some point (?)
    At least, I remember the name was in the users' manual and warranty of my Contax G body.

    Here an interesting short history of Zeiss Contax Yashica and Kyocera :

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contax

    (From Wikipedia, who else ? )
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    Thanks Vivek, I believe the lens I bought was designed by Leica but made by Kyocera, but of course, I can be wrong. So what do you know about that? TIA.
    The 35-70 VE was designed by Leica and manufactured by Kyocera. Yashica who manufactured the Contax slrs and Zeiss CY lenses and was acquired by Kyocera. This lens has no relationship to the Minolta sourced 35-70 zoom. This lens has an aspherical element, but for some reasons, Leica never indicate this on the lens. I purchased this lens shortly after I bought my R8. This is an excellent lens and works great with the A7r and now with my A7r 2. BTW, the 80-200 Vario-Elmar was also designed by Leica and manufactured by Kyocera.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Annna T View Post
    I think that Kyocera was the owner of Contax Yashica at some point (?)
    At least, I remember the name was in the users' manual and warranty of my Contax G body.

    Here an interesting short history of Zeiss Contax Yashica and Kyocera :

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contax

    (From Wikipedia, who else ? )
    Correct.

    Contax by Vivek Iyer, on Flickr

    That is a synthetic ruby (identical to natural) which comes from Kyocera's expertise in ceramics. The most expensive red dot made for a camera.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nsng View Post
    The 35-70 VE was designed by Leica and manufactured by Kyocera. Yashica who manufactured the Contax slrs and Zeiss CY lenses and was acquired by Kyocera. This lens has no relationship to the Minolta sourced 35-70 zoom. This lens has an aspherical element, but for some reasons, Leica never indicate this on the lens. I purchased this lens shortly after I bought my R8. This is an excellent lens and works great with the A7r and now with my A7r 2. BTW, the 80-200 Vario-Elmar was also designed by Leica and manufactured by Kyocera.

    Thank you so much for the information, indeed! Much appreciated!

    I also like the Vario-Elmar-R 80-200/4 that I bought several years ago.
    It's easy to handhold, in particular with an IBIS camera like the OM-D E-M5/1/5II or A7r2, and makes high IQ images for me.
    It's the largest Leica lens I can still handhold.

    The even heavier APO-Telyt-R 280/4 and Vario-Elmar-R 105-280/4.2 I only use on a tripod.
    That way I can focus them with great precision, as they respond to the gentlest touch.
    With best regards, K-H.

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    Quote Originally Posted by k-hawinkler View Post
    Thanks Michiel, no problem at all. There seem to be a number of urls out there that attribute different optical designs to the various versions of the 35-70/3.5 and 35-70/4 from Minolta and from Leica, actually made by Kryocera (I probably misspelled the name). As you seem very knowledgable about the origins of these lenses, could you please explain the various designs and differences for me? I would appreciate that very much as I can't tell which of the web sites is correct. TIA.
    I got my information from this website and other storys from years around the web. This seems, as other lenses, to be a shared design between Leica and Minolta.
    It is known both companys worked together extensivly in the past for example the lenses they shared for the Leica CL and Leica CLE.
    It is a pitty that the links on that site don't point in the right direction anymore.
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    Thank you so much for the information, indeed! Much appreciated!

    I also like the Vario-Elmar-R 80-200/4 that I bought several years ago.
    It's easy to handhold, in particular with an IBIS camera like the OM-D E-M5/1/5II or A7r2, and makes high IQ images for me.
    It's the largest Leica lens I can still handhold.

    The even heavier APO-Telyt-R 280/4 and Vario-Elmar-R 105-280/4.2 I only use on a tripod.
    That way I can focus them with great precision, as they respond to the gentlest touch.
    Hi K H,

    You are welcome. You have some great R lenses. I remembered Leica saying in the 90's that some of the R lenses were the best they could manufacture during that time. The Holy Grail of the R lenses is the 35-70 Vario-Elmarit f2.8. Apparently, Leica lost money for every 35-70 VE f2.8 lens they sold! Unfortunately, collectors have pushed the price to beyond belief. I nearly bought the 70-180 mm Apo-Elmarit. But at just over 4 lbs, it was a beast to carry. The performance of this lens from 70-110mm is equal to the 90m AA or the 100 Apo-Macro Elmarit. The 3 R lenses that I used when travelling are the 19mm Elmarit R v2, 35-70 VE f4.0 and 180mm Apo-Elmarit. Since my DMR days, I have used the A850, M240, A7R and now the A7R M2 with my R lenses. For my travel photography, the A7R M2 is my R solution!
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    Hi K H,

    You are welcome. You have some great R lenses. I remembered Leica saying in the 90's that some of the R lenses were the best they could manufacture during that time. The Holy Grail of the R lenses is the 35-70 Vario-Elmarit f2.8. Apparently, Leica lost money for every 35-70 VE f2.8 lens they sold! Unfortunately, collectors have pushed the price to beyond belief. I nearly bought the 70-180 mm Apo-Elmarit. But at just over 4 lbs, it was a beast to carry. The performance of this lens from 70-110mm is equal to the 90m AA or the 100 Apo-Macro Elmarit. The 3 R lenses that I used when travelling are the 19mm Elmarit R v2, 35-70 VE f4.0 and 180mm Apo-Elmarit. Since my DMR days, I have used the A850, M240, A7R and now the A7R M2 with my R lenses. For my travel photography, the A7R M2 is my R solution!
    Many thanks again nsng. I like the R lenses I have.
    My seventh is on the way, a Summilux-R 80/1.4.

    Indeed on eBay the 35-70 VE f2.8 lens seems to be going for around $13K, last time I checked.
    That's a bit much for my skill level!

    You have a nice travel set indeed.
    My widest R lens is the 28-90/2.8-4.5.
    But then I have the WATE 16-18-21/4 that I use a lot.

    I finally got an image in which the geometric distortion is painfully obvious in C1.
    Of course, I could correct that in CS6 automatically, but I like the C1 image a lot better. Here it is, taken with A7r2.



    What to do?
    With best regards, K-H.
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    Is there any proof about Leica designs and Kyocera executions?

    If true, I find it amazing that farmed out lenses from an orphaned system command this high prices.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    Is there any proof about Leica designs and Kyocera executions?

    If true, I find it amazing that farmed out lenses from an orphaned system command this high prices.
    Must be from Breguet Camera eBay store : they seem to target Leica collectors mainly and they have somewhat unrealistic prices on rare items. Once I was looking for a ultra wide angle and legacy Nikon lens (12 or 14 mm rectilinear lens) which was rather small and light and seemed perfect to mount on a shift adapter for MFT, the price was also over 10000$ because it is a very rare lens, not easy to find.

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    So, if one posts a story and that gets repeated several times, enough to activate google, it must be true then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    So, if one posts a story and that gets repeated several times, enough to activate google, it must be true then.
    I'm no Göring !

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    6 items starting at over 14600.- CHF (changing rate more or less at parity)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    So, if one posts a story and that gets repeated several times, enough to activate google, it must be true then.
    I see it slightly different: "if one posts a story and that gets repeated several times, enough to activate google, people will start believing it is true and claim very boldly it is"

    On important items you better check multiple reliable and independent sources before drawing any firm conclusions.

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    Hi, I appreciate your experience and opinions concerning the A7R2.

    But now I would like to ask the forum, if anyone of you has experience,
    using the Hasselblad / Zeiss CF-Lenses attached to the A7R2.

    I would use my Novoflex E-Lens adapter.

    Thank you for your reply.

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    Sorry, I don't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rudiger View Post
    Hi, I appreciate your experience and opinions concerning the A7R2.

    But now I would like to ask the forum, if anyone of you has experience,
    using the Hasselblad / Zeiss CF-Lenses attached to the A7R2.

    I would use my Novoflex E-Lens adapter.

    Thank you for your reply.

    Rudiger
    I have used the CF 40, 80, and 120 on the A7R and A7RII on a tripod with the Cambo Actus (provides shift/tilt capability) and they are fine. I tried using them also via adapter directly to the camera, but the lenses are too large and heavy for handheld use.
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    Hi K H,

    You are welcome. You have some great R lenses. I remembered Leica saying in the 90's that some of the R lenses were the best they could manufacture during that time. The Holy Grail of the R lenses is the 35-70 Vario-Elmarit f2.8. Apparently, Leica lost money for every 35-70 VE f2.8 lens they sold! Unfortunately, collectors have pushed the price to beyond belief. I nearly bought the 70-180 mm Apo-Elmarit. But at just over 4 lbs, it was a beast to carry. The performance of this lens from 70-110mm is equal to the 90m AA or the 100 Apo-Macro Elmarit. The 3 R lenses that I used when travelling are the 19mm Elmarit R v2, 35-70 VE f4.0 and 180mm Apo-Elmarit. Since my DMR days, I have used the A850, M240, A7R and now the A7R M2 with my R lenses. For my travel photography, the A7R M2 is my R solution!
    So do I assume the R 19 works well on the A7R2 with no corner issues?

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    A7r2 + WATE
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    Quote Originally Posted by algrove View Post
    So do I assume the R 19 works well on the A7R2 with no corner issues?
    No corner issue with both A7R and A7R2. Here is an example with the A7R,




    Ethiopian women at the village water pump. Even though I have the WATE, but at times I prefer to use the 19mm as the rendering is very attractive.
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    Thanks nsng. Great composition and fabulous colors! I like it a lot.
    With best regards, K-H.

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    Sony A7r2 + Leica Vario-Elmar-R 35-70/4
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