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    A7r2 + Voigtländer 10/5.6 FE, freehand
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    A7r2 + Voigtländer 10/5.6 FE
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    Sony A7r2 + TechArt Pro autofocus adapter LM-EA7 + Leica Tele-Elmarit-M 90/2.8 - a Mandler designed lens.
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    After using the A7RII for about 2 or 3 weeks now I have to say that it's a better camera in overall responsiveness but I actually prefer the ergonomics of the original better. This is due to a number of reasons below. Again the A7RII is a better camera but these are my main frustrations after a couple of weeks with it after being very used to the original bodies for the last 2.5 years.


    • The first being that while the camera is physically larger the grip area doesn't seem like it has as much room for those of us with larger hands. The vertical grip is a MUST IMO of your hands are as large as mine for a secure and comfortable grip due to the new shutter placement.
    • Next the front shutter/aperture dial in front of the shutter is at a weird tilted angle and doesn't have as much tactile feedback as the old scroll wheels IMO.
    • The last gripe is minor but when tethering the door cover that allows access to the port is flimsy plastic. A metal hinged door would be a much better option to limit the stress that a tether cable puts on that door that never gets fully out of the way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HiredArm View Post
    After using the A7RII for about 2 or 3 weeks now I have to say that it's a better camera in overall responsiveness but I actually prefer the ergonomics of the original better. This is due to a number of reasons below. Again the A7RII is a better camera but these are my main frustrations after a couple of weeks with it after being very used to the original bodies for the last 2.5 years.


    • The first being that while the camera is physically larger the grip area doesn't seem like it has as much room for those of us with larger hands. The vertical grip is a MUST IMO of your hands are as large as mine for a secure and comfortable grip due to the new shutter placement.
    • Next the front shutter/aperture dial in front of the shutter is at a weird tilted angle and doesn't have as much tactile feedback as the old scroll wheels IMO.
    • The last gripe is minor but when tethering the door cover that allows access to the port is flimsy plastic. A metal hinged door would be a much better option to limit the stress that a tether cable puts on that door that never gets fully out of the way.
    Thanks Tre.

    • My hands are smaller than yours and I have had no problems with the grip area since last fall. I have added the additional battery grip to my A7r2 a couple weeks ago and it feels fine.

    • The problem with the front dial of the A7r2 is that it's difficult for my finger to distinguish it from the shutter. I have no such problem with the A7r.

    • The door cover hasn't caused any problems so far for me.

    I use a Peak Design hand clutch to hold the cameras.
    It's perfect for the A7r2 as the shutter button is placed forward and the hand clutch doesn't interfere with the shutter placement. Unfortunately not so for the A7r as the shutter button is placed right next to the attachment point for the hand clutch.
    With best regards, K-H.
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    I had some more fun with the Voigtländer 10/5.6 FE on the A7r2, taking a few photos of our library.







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    Here is one more with that combination of Frijoles Creek in Bandelier National Monument.

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    A7r2 + Voigtländer 10/5.6 @ f/9
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    First frame of a video, showing a Wasp driving off a Hummingbird of a feeder.
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    And here is the video: https://photos.smugmug.com/KHW/Pics-...short-1920.mp4

    Sony a6300 + 28-135/4.0 PZ G OSS FE. The A7r2 does great 4K videos but the a6300 is better at 120 FPS slow motion videos. Those cannot be shot in 4K on either camera. They can be shot in 1080p though.
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    Re: A7r, A7r2 - and why I'm keeping both ...

    Very nice video!

    I am not sure I want a warped star burst in my frame. Thanks for showing. Any lust i had for that lens is gone. Will wait for version III of that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    Very nice video!

    I am not sure I want a warped star burst in my frame. Thanks for showing. Any lust i had for that lens is gone. Will wait for version III of that.

    Thanks Vivek for the feedback. Much appreciated. I am glad that picture saved you some money.
    Here is a version in which the pincushion distortion is well corrected, at least to my eyes.
    But one loses a lot of image area.



    I must say though I like the funky version better.
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    Re: A7r, A7r2 - and why I'm keeping both ...

    The pincushion distortion reminds me of some fisheye lenses (there was a Berolina 12mm fisheye in T mount from yesteryears). I did not expect that with the so called rectilinear 10mm, K-H. Flare appears well controlled though.
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    Re: A7r, A7r2 - and why I'm keeping both ...

    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    The pincushion distortion reminds me of some fisheye lenses (there was a Berolina 12mm fisheye in T mount from yesteryears). I did not expect that with the so called rectilinear 10mm, K-H. Flare appears well controlled though.
    Thanks for the info Vivek.
    The pincushion distortion indeed seems to be a bit much.
    Flare resistance seems very good but not perfect.

    I am slowly getting a feel for this lens and how best to use it.
    It's a fun lens though.
    I should take it to Santa Fe or Albuquerque.
    And see how it does for a cityscape.

    Thanks again.
    With best regards, K-H.

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    Re: A7r, A7r2 - and why I'm keeping both ...

    Well, I added an a6300 and an FE 70-300/4.5-5.6 G OSS lens to my gear. Here are some early morning images.











    And in the opposite direction the setting Moon.
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    Early morning visit to Bandelier National Monument. It's closed from Dusk (8 PM) to Dawn (6 AM). Images taken with A6300 and FE 70-300/4.5-5.6 G OSS lens.






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    Last Sunday on the High Road to Taos Scenic Byway, our first stop at El Santuario de Chimayo, NM.
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    A7r2 + Voigtländer 10/5.6 :-)
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    View from Ranchos de Taos of the Sangre de Cristo Mountains directly East of Taos, NM



    A7r2 + Voigtländer 10/5.6. heavily cropped
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    Re: A7r, A7r2 - and why I'm keeping both ...

    KenRockwell states about the AF Nikkor 28/1.4 D http://www.kenrockwell.com/nikon/2814af.htm, quote:

    "The Nikon 28mm f/1.4 is an absolutely extraordinary lens. It is as sharp at f/1.4 as it is at other apertures. This baby loves to be shot at f/1.4 without having to make any excuses for quality."

    Further down he states:

    "Sharpness

    The 28mm f/1.4 is sharp at every aperture, even at f/1.4 in the corners.

    This is unique among Nikkor wide angle lenses. The aspheric element gives it freedom from the coma (lateral spherical aberration) that plagues all other Nikon wide and fast normal lenses. In other words, shot at f/1.4, points of light in the corners still stay as reasonably small points of light, not the big batwing blobs that one gets at full aperture with other wide and normal Nikkors. You can see how well controlled this if by looking at this worst case photo made at f/1.4, hand held at 1/8 of a second. Yes, you can see a little coma in the lower right, but it's far better than any other Nikkor at f/1.4.

    The only lack of perfection in sharpness is that in the very far corners of film, only in the last two millimeters of the image, it is soft at most larger apertures. Thus the circle of good definition is 40mm and the circle of good illumination is at least 43mm. This is fine; you really have to go out of your way to find a subject that requires sharpness at f/1.4 in the last mm of the corner. The sharpness just inside this 40mm circle is very, very sharp even at f/1.4 which is better than any other lens I've used at the larger apertures.

    On digital it's sharp all over."

    It also has a Close Focus of 1.15' or 0.35m.
    However, when using the TechArt Pro (TAP) adapter on an A7r2 one can get a lot closer.
    So, I had a closer look at my copy of that lens to see whether it lives up to the lofty standard set by K.R.'s lens.
    I displayed K.R.'s opening chapter on my 4K screen and took closeup shots.
    Image quality seems best at f/1.4 and f/8. At f/16 all fine detail is smeared out, pretty much unusable IMHO.
    I shot with A7r2 and the TAP adapter, using AF-C and AF-S with Flexible Spot: S, got similar results.

    Shot at f/1.4 (Sorry for the Smudge on the Screen )



    Shot at f/8


    Focus was at the a in apertures.
    Considering the lens followed the Noct-Nikkor development some time ago http://www.nikkor.com/story/0028/ we probably shouldn't be surprised by what we find.

    • Both images appear to be sharp at the focus point.
    • For f/1.4 there is considerable vignetting and loss of sharpness towards the corners,
    • Even for f/8 there is still some loss of sharpness in the corners.
    • There appears to be a bit of focus breathing when stopping down.

    Full resolution images are here.

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    https://winklers.smugmug.com/KHW/Pic...AF/i-Z88Pfrb/O

    Following are images shot with the 28/1.4 lens.








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    K-H,.....

    ....Whether or not you are 'keeping both' this whole topic has become a nice testimony to your work and the place where you live. Sitting here in the Old World with the grey rain slanting down your pics are very atmospheric and seductive of a place that I will never see but which looks so exotic to English eyes.......
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bugleone View Post
    K-H,.....

    ....Whether or not you are 'keeping both' this whole topic has become a nice testimony to your work and the place where you live. Sitting here in the Old World with the grey rain slanting down your pics are very atmospheric and seductive of a place that I will never see but which looks so exotic to English eyes.......
    Thank you so much Bugleone, much appreciated.
    New Mexico is truly the "Land of Enchantment".

    Here are a few more images from today, taken with A7r2 and Batis 25/2 FE.

    Smoke from a pretty small forest fire in the Jemez Mtns.









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    A7r.2 + Batis 25/2 FE
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    From http://www.lamonitor.com/content/fat...onal-monument:

    "Fatality at Bandelier National Monument
    Monday, October 3, 2016 at 8:42 pm (Updated: October 4, 2:48 pm)

    A spokesman for Bandelier National Monument said officials plan to release the name Wednesday of the identity of a woman who died Monday at the park.
    A female park visitor died in Bandelier National Monument after being struck by a falling tree. Park rangers were notified of the incident at approximately 2:30 pm. Park rangers, the Los Alamos County Fire Department and the Los Alamos County Police Department responded to the incident.
    The medical examiner and law enforcement have not completed the investigation at the time of this release. Park officials said the victim was an adult and that they will be releasing more information later Tuesday or early Wednesday morning.
    "Out of respect for the family, we are making sure that the next of kin is properly notified," said Acting Superintendent Jeremy Sweat.
    Sweat told the Los Alamos Monitor Tuesday afternoon they are contuing to work with the woman's family and officials would release details Wednesday."

    I better stay clear of the many dead trees in Bandelier!




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    Mmm, I can see a curved path ...
    Bart ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Knorp View Post
    Mmm, I can see a curved path ...
    ... and a curved wall.
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    (Note to myself, keeping track of my images)
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    Update to the sad news about a female park visitor who died in Bandelier National Monument after being struck by a falling tree.
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    Park officials decline to name hiker killed by tree
    (Park officials decline to name hiker killed by tree | LAMonitor.com)

    By Tris DeRoma
    Friday, October 7, 2016 at 10:33 am

    National Park Service officials declined to release the identity this week of a female hiker who was killed by a falling tree at Bandelier National Monument Monday.
    “I cannot release anything pertinent to the victim or the victim’s family,” said Chief Ranger Dennis Milligan. “The woman was standing near her vehicle when the tree fell and struck her.
    The incident happened around 2:30 p.m. in the parking lot of the Frey Trailhead. The woman was not wearing headphones or any other device that may have prevented her from being aware of her surroundings, officials said
    Park officials reported Wednesday that normal protocols were followed after the incident, including safety checks of the surrounding trees. The park is always checking for unsafe trees.
    “We have a program that does that year round, so it doesn’t particularly change our response after it happens,” Milligan said. “The odds of someone getting hit by a tree is highly unlikely.”
    The tree that struck the victim was a live, green Ponderosa that snapped.
    Milligan said he could not recall any other times when someone died from being hit by a tree at the park. He said the last death that occurred within the park happened around a year and half ago.
    At around 10 p.m. Aug. 18, 2014, a 39-year-old Los Alamos man died in a single car crash near mile marker 49 on N.M. 4. The victim, Trent Johnson, was driving his car along the road and lost control. He was pronounced dead at the scene. Bandelier rangers were also involved since the car landed inside the boundaries of Bandelier National Monument.

    img_2137.jpg Tris DeRoma/Monitor
    A female hiker was standing near her vehicle in this parking lot Monday when she was struck by a falling tree and killed

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    A safety crew worked to take down a hazardous tree branch Wednesday at the Bandelier Monument headquarters. A woman was killed Monday at the Frey Trailhead by a falling tree.


    Below is my photograph of the
    parking lot of the Frey Trailhead, taken yesterday, 2016.10.07.

    I used to park my car a number of times in the nearest spot to the right in the above picture.

    Following is a close up shot of that very parking spot.

    One can see a freshly cut tree stump down to the right and a lot of fresh mulch. To the left is a paper wrapped flower with a card on the curb, weight down by some stones.

    The view of the tree stump from down there is like this.



    A couple weeks ago, on 2016.09.18, the view was like this.

    You can see my car parked in the spot behind that tree.


    It seems to me this is the live, green Ponderosa tree that fell on the unfortunate woman.
    I feel lucky that the tree didn't fall down on me or my wife when we were there.

    Our condolences to the loved ones.
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    Update to the sad news about a female park visitor who died in Bandelier National Monument after being struck by a falling tree.
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    Park officials decline to name hiker killed by tree
    (http://www.lamonitor.com/content/par...er-killed-tree)

    By Tris DeRoma
    Friday, October 7, 2016 at 10:33 am

    National Park Service officials declined to release the identity this week of a female hiker who was killed by a falling tree at Bandelier National Monument Monday.
    “I cannot release anything pertinent to the victim or the victim’s family,” said Chief Ranger Dennis Milligan. “The woman was standing near her vehicle when the tree fell and struck her.
    The incident happened around 2:30 p.m. in the parking lot of the Frey Trailhead. The woman was not wearing headphones or any other device that may have prevented her from being aware of her surroundings, officials said
    Park officials reported Wednesday that normal protocols were followed after the incident, including safety checks of the surrounding trees. The park is always checking for unsafe trees.
    “We have a program that does that year round, so it doesn’t particularly change our response after it happens,” Milligan said. “The odds of someone getting hit by a tree is highly unlikely.”
    The tree that struck the victim was a live, green Ponderosa that snapped.
    Milligan said he could not recall any other times when someone died from being hit by a tree at the park. He said the last death that occurred within the park happened around a year and half ago.
    At around 10 p.m. Aug. 18, 2014, a 39-year-old Los Alamos man died in a single car crash near mile marker 49 on N.M. 4. The victim, Trent Johnson, was driving his car along the road and lost control. He was pronounced dead at the scene. Bandelier rangers were also involved since the car landed inside the boundaries of Bandelier National Monument.

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    A female hiker was standing near her vehicle in this parking lot Monday when she was struck by a falling tree and killed

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    A safety crew worked to take down a hazardous tree branch Wednesday at the Bandelier Monument headquarters. A woman was killed Monday at the Frey Trailhead by a falling tree.


    Below is my photograph of the
    parking lot of the Frey Trailhead, taken yesterday, 2016.10.07.

    I used to park my car a number of times in the nearest spot to the right in the above picture.

    Following is a close up shot of that very parking spot.

    One can see a freshly cut tree stump down to the right and a lot of fresh mulch. To the left is a paper wrapped flower with a card on the curb, weight down by some stones.

    The view of the tree stump from down there is like this.



    A couple weeks ago, on 2016.09.18, the view was like this.

    You can see my car parked in the spot behind that tree.


    It seems to me this is the live, green Ponderosa tree that fell on the unfortunate woman.
    I feel lucky that the tree didn't fall down on me or my wife when we were there.

    Our condolences to the love ones.
    Same here.
    Just awful.
    It just illustrates to me once again that when your number is up it's up.
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    K-H, I don't get it: you're keeping your A6300 as well ?

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    Thanks Bart.

    Yup, and my NEX-5N and NEX-7, in addition to my A7r and A7r2.
    I bought the a6300 in June, should have waited for the a6500 with IBIS.
    But I have several E and FE lenses with OSS, so with image stabilization, that I can also use on my Sony APS-C cameras. So, I'll probably skip the a6500.
    I wish there were equally good eye-pieces available for the APS-C cameras as I have on my A7r/2 cameras. That would help a lot.

    The A7r2 is currently my favorite Sony camera, but I am hoping that a significantly improved follow-on FF camera will be available soon. Most important for me would be a speed improvement, similarly to the much faster autofocus of the a6300 over the NEX-7, both having 24 MP. I also would welcome more pixels of such an FF camera to permit more extensive cropping of images. When walking around I typically have a prime lens on the camera, no other lenses with me, so I can focus on the particular focal length chosen. However, sometimes an opportunity develops for a longer focal length that I don't have with me, so cropping to the rescue within reason.

    I also would expect such an A7r3, similarly to the A7r2 and a6300, to support the TechArt Pro (TAP) adapter. For portrait shots I like to use my Summilux-R 80/1.4 or Noct-Nikkor 58/1.2 with autofocus on the nearest eye, pretty much wide open, unless I use the FE 90/2.8 G OSS with Eye-AF.

    But my next camera will likely be the Olympus E-M1.2 to complement my E-M1/5/5.2 and their fabulous lenses. But that's another topic.
    With best regards, K-H.
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