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    A7r, A7r2 - and why I'm keeping both ...

    In line with the previous thread A7r - and why I'm keeping it ...,
    now that I also have an A7r2 I think it's appropriate to start off this one.
    The images should do most of the talking.

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    A7r2 + Summilux-M ASPH 50/1.4




    A7r2 + Summilux-M ASPH 50/1.4




    A7r + FE 90/2.8 Macro G OSS




    A7r + FE 90/2.8 Macro G OSS
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    Re: A7r, A7r2 - and why I'm keeping both ...

    I think this is better than worrying about what Canon does or does not do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    I think this is better than worrying about what Canon does or does not do.
    Thanks Vivek. Spot on!
    With best regards, K-H.

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    Re: A7r, A7r2 - and why I'm keeping both ...

    Robert Capa: “If your photos aren’t good enough, you’re not close enough.” Well, these images were all shot within about 2 feet.









    A7r2 + FE 90/2.8 Macro G OSS, @ f/2.8, ISO 320, 1/2000 s with AF.
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    The last two nights I had a visitor of Hummingbird killing fame. A7r2 SteadyShot Observation

    Here she is, our Praying Mantis, looking straight at me, being busy all evening snacking on insects. I captured some of that on 4K video.



    A7r2 + Leica Telyt-APO-R 280/4 + Extension Rings.

    If one can't get close enough, well, then one needs different tools.
    I was almost at the close focus distance, but could get any closer - computer table, book shelves in the way.
    But I wanted more magnification - so my extension rings came in handy.
    With best regards, K-H.
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    I first noticed the Mantis on the window screen and managed to get a couple of manual focus shots in.



    A7r2 + FE 90/2.8 Macro G OSS
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    Re: A7r, A7r2 - and why I'm keeping both ...

    Quote Originally Posted by k-hawinkler View Post
    Robert Capa: “If your photos aren’t good enough, you’re not close enough.” Well, these images were all shot within about 2 feet.
    KH really excellent work....mind you don't get too close and step on a landmine...That praying mantis looks like it's considering you for it's next meal
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    Quote Originally Posted by Barry Haines View Post
    KH really excellent work....mind you don't get to close and step on a landmine...That praying mantis looks like it's considering you for it's next meal
    Many Thanks Barry. You got that right.

    When my son Malte and I were trying to document a Mantis feeding on the Hummingbird it had killed we were at a distance of about a foot and clearly could see her munching on the dead bird.
    When the Mantis noticed us she looked straight at us, first at one, then the other before taking off. It sure looked like she sized us up for her next meal.
    BTW, they are also excellent on the wings.

    Indeed, one has to be careful around here.
    Just last week a jogger got badly mauled by a bear about 2.5 miles out of town on a hiking trail.
    With best regards, K-H.
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    Re: A7r, A7r2 - and why I'm keeping both ...

    Quote Originally Posted by k-hawinkler View Post
    The last two nights I had a visitor of Hummingbird killing fame. A7r2 SteadyShot Observation

    Here she is, our Praying Mantis, looking straight at me, being busy all evening snacking on insects. I captured some of that on 4K video.
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    A Bug!



    A7r2 + FE 90/2.8 Macro G OSS
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    You got some critters hanging about. Lol

    Good stuff. Love the hummingbirds
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    You got some critters hanging about. Lol

    Good stuff. Love the hummingbirds
    Many thanks Guy. Much appreciated!
    With best regards, K-H.

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    Re: A7r, A7r2 - and why I'm keeping both ...

    Interesting thread.

    But I would like to see a debate about whether it is worth upgrading from a A7R to the A7RII.

    I'm still weighing it up in my mind. My feeling has always been I should invest in glass and not bodies.

    For example, for the price of an A7R II upgrade (assuming some cash back on my A7R) I could purchase both the 16-35 and the 70-200.

    On the other hand, better metering, better continuous focus, better viewfinder, better low light performance.

    But would I really enjoy more glass or a better body?

    Decisions, decisions.

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    Re: A7r, A7r2 - and why I'm keeping both ...

    Louis, It would be like preaching to the preacher if I suggest anything.

    I have pretty much what you have (cameras) and I have decided not to get the A7II or the A7rII (size being one reason, also I do not need SSS/IBIS).

    I am starting to like the APS-C cams again and look forward to the A6000 successor. I am hoping that it will have a swivel LCD, a BSI sensor and a silent shutter mode.

    The A7r at the moment is unused. I have not decided what to do with it yet although I am itching to convert it to monochrome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by biglouis View Post
    Interesting thread.

    But I would like to see a debate about whether it is worth upgrading from a A7R to the A7RII.

    I'm still weighing it up in my mind. My feeling has always been you should invest in glass and not bodies.

    For example, for the price of an A7R II upgrade (assuming some cash back on my A7R) I could purchase both the 16-35 and the 70-200.

    On the other hand, better metering, better continuous focus, better viewfinder, better low light performance.

    But would I really enjoy more glass or a better body?

    Decisions, decisions.

    LouisB

    Many thanks LouisB. That's a great question.
    Only you can answer it for yourself, of course.
    I obviously made my choice and keep both. Why?

    Well, I would like to answer that question in some level of detail and need more time to do that appropriately.
    So, please, bear with me for now. Thanks for your patience.
    With best regards, K-H.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    I am starting to like the APS-C cams again and look forward to the A6000 successor. I am hoping that it will have a swivel LCD, a BSI sensor and a silent shutter mode.
    Vivek, interesting, I have had similar thoughts since making the connection between owning the 70-200 and a A6000 and using the crop factor to bump it up to a reasonable wildlife lens. Or at least good enough for the backyard birding and local foxes that I enjoy snapping. Also it would a good way of adding extra ooomph to the 90/2.8 for macro work.

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    Many thanks LouisB. That's a great question.
    Only you can answer it for yourself, of course.
    I obviously made my choice and keep both. Why?

    Well, I would like to answer that question in some level of detail and need more time to do that appropriately.
    So, please, bear with me for now. Thanks for your patience.
    I'll look forward to reading about it K-H

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    I had the A7R and traded it for the A7RII. I was disappointed with it first off, the raw files appear rather flat and my normal post processing needed tweaking. I'd say that for me, the only thing that I like is the shutter and thus the prices seems rather expensive. The old 7R fit my hand better and I prefer the shutter button placement. I haven't noticed much af improvement either so I'm on the fence, I think I prefer the 7R.
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    Another Beautiful Morning in the "Land of Enchantment".






    A7r2 + Leitz Rigid Summicron 50/2 from 1956.
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    Re: A7r, A7r2 - and why I'm keeping both ...

    Quote Originally Posted by biglouis View Post
    Interesting thread.

    But I would like to see a debate about whether it is worth upgrading from a A7R to the A7RII.

    I'm still weighing it up in my mind. My feeling has always been I should invest in glass and not bodies.
    I have the a7r and have had the a7r2 for a while. after losing several images to the shutter blur using my 70-200 nikon, as well as some other random softness issues from possible shutter blur, the a7r was relegated to a scout camera when looking for places to shoot with my MF gear.

    while I haven't been able to shoot with the a7r2 much due to some personal reasons, I think the back illuminated sensor, electronic first curtain and IBIS as well as improved ergonomics and other features puts the a7r2 into a different league than the a7r. So while you are right investing in glass and not bodies is a good guide, in this case I would say the upgrade is substantial enough to consider it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by biglouis View Post
    Interesting thread.
    But I would like to see a debate about whether it is worth upgrading from a A7R to the A7RII.
    I'm still weighing it up in my mind. My feeling has always been I should invest in glass and not bodies.
    For example, for the price of an A7R II upgrade (assuming some cash back on my A7R) I could purchase both the 16-35 and the 70-200.
    On the other hand, better metering, better continuous focus, better viewfinder, better low light performance.
    But would I really enjoy more glass or a better body?

    Decisions, decisions.

    LouisB
    Quote Originally Posted by biglouis View Post
    Vivek, interesting, I have had similar thoughts since making the connection between owning the 70-200 and a A6000 and using the crop factor to bump it up to a reasonable wildlife lens. Or at least good enough for the backyard birding and local foxes that I enjoy snapping. Also it would a good way of adding extra ooomph to the 90/2.8 for macro work.

    I'll look forward to reading about it K-H

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    Thanks LouisB.
    As part of the issues you raised I got curious about when I bought cameras and what happened to them?
    Here we go.

    P&S

    2002: Canon PowerShot G3
    2003: -
    2004: -
    2005: -
    2006: Canon PowerShot SD800 IS

    FF, APS-C, MFT cameras with interchangeable lenses

    2007: NIKON D40, D200,D300
    2008: NIKON D3
    2009: Leica M9
    2010: -
    2011: -
    2012: SONY NEX-5N, NEX-7, NIKON D800E
    2013: Olympus E-M5, E-M1, SONY ILCE-7R
    2015: Olympus E-M5MarkII, SONY ILCE-7RM2

    At present the G3 is dysfunctional, my daughter has the SD800 IS but uses her iPhone, my son has the D300, D3 and cameras of his own.
    My wife occasionally uses the D40. I still use D40, D200, M9, NEX-5N, NEX-7, D800E, E-M5, E-M1, ILCE-7R=A7r, E-M5MarkII, and ILCE-7RM2=A7r2.
    I also use an iPhone and even have used an iPad to snap pictures.

    As you well know, from an expense point of view it is one thing to buy P&S cameras, it is quite another when one begins to acquire interchangeable lens cameras.
    Of course, I agree with your feeling that one should invest in glass and not bodies. And so I did.

    At first I paid attention to Nikkor lenses, got some DX lenses for the APS-C sensor cameras D40, D200, D300.
    The AF-S Nikkor 18-200/3.5-5.6 G lens lives on the D40 and never comes off.
    That system gives pretty useable results with its 6 MP sensor.

    I got 1 or 2 more DX lenses before I focused on FX lenses, such as the 17-35/2.8, 24-70/2.8 and 70-200/2.8. All very nice.
    Of course, Nikon also has some legendary lenses such as the Noct-Nikkor 58/1.2 and the 28/1.4, Nikon's first lenses with aspherical elements.
    Other Nikkor lenses that standout for me are the 14-24/2.8 and AF-S 80-400/4.5-5.6 VR as well as several primes in addition to the already mentioned ones.
    Of course, my Nikkor lenses can and are being used via adapters on my Sony and Olympus cameras, so I find them a good investment indeed.

    Next, in 2009 a friend told me about his childhood experience with his father's Leica rangefinder camera, a very different camera and experience.
    So, I ordered an M9, had to wait several months, and was buying lenses from KEH without being able to use them, that was a good move in hindsight anyway.
    Eventually my M9 showed up, the first rangefinder I ever saw and touched, had a blast using it.
    But it took me several months to figure out that the frame selector at the front of the camera didn't work and had to be repaired.
    Anyway, that's how I learned about M and V (for Visoflex) lenses and how to use the latter with adapted short focus mounts even on my Nikon cameras.
    An adapted Tele-Elmar 135/4 became a favorite lens on my D3, a 560/5.6 telyt on my D300. I also used these lenses a lot on my M9 via a Visoflex.

    At that time I never thought I would ever get into R lenses as they were part of a discontinued Leica product line and very costly.
    But Doug Herr's bird images with their incredible IQ, shot with an APO-Telyt-R 280/4, were absolutely stunning and made a great impression on me.
    Although I got some nice shots with my V telyts eventually their chromatic aberrations and other optical deficiencies were too recognizable for me and I needed better lenses.
    So I bought some of the generally agreed upon, very best R lenses - but again didn't have a camera yet that could use them.
    I also didn't want to modify the R lenses for use on my Nikon cameras.

    Eventually the Sony NEX-7 was announced, but again I had to wait several months for before one arrived.
    So I got a readily available NEX-5N, indeed a fine camera, to tie me over until the NEX-7 showed up.
    I finally had 2 APS-C cameras for use with my M, V, and R lenses. But no FF camera yet for the R lenses.
    So, when finally the FF Sony A7r was announced I had to get one, especially for my Leica R lenses.
    Despite a major issue with the A7r - shutter shock under certain conditions - getting it was an excellent move in hindsight!
    I also got interested in Olympus cameras with their superbly working IBIS that I take full advantage of.
    So, the A7r2 finally offered the functionality I was after, FF, IBIS, and capable of using my Nikkor and Leica lenses - I had to buy one and I did.

    After having used an A7r for almost 2 years and an A7r2 extensively for more than a month, I am happy having and continuing to use both. No regrets! None!
    Thus far I have bought the following native lenses FE 35/2.8, 55/1.8 and 90/2.8 MACRO OSS G. I also have the FE Mitakon Zhongyi Speedmaster 50/0.95 II lens.

    LouisB, as you well know, the 90/2.8 lens is a game changer, certainly in my mind.
    It is incredibly sharp, offers image stabilization, and works superbly well on the A7r2 with Eye AF.
    When used on the A7r, it also brings its own OSS to bear on an otherwise not image stabilized camera.
    That makes the 90/2.8 lens particularly useful on the A7r in handheld mode.
    Therefore, I do not hesitate to use that combination.

    For macro shots, however, I prefer to use the 90/2.8 MACRO OSS G lens on the A7r2.
    Reason being, then one gets truly 5-axis IBIS, X and Y stabilization being relatively most important.
    For infinity focus shots their stabilization contributions go to zero.

    Looking at the time line of my camera purchases, I have the feeling that I possibly can happily live with the A7r2 for awhile and skip the next generation.
    I would expect the A7r3 to offer more evolutionary rather than revolutionary new features, similarly as the D810 compares to the D800/E.

    Given the necessary care, both cameras are capable of delivering excellent results.
    Decisions, decisions, decisions, ... , only you know what's most important for you.
    Getting the A7r2 and a lens or two of your choice certainly would be optimal.

    That's it for now.
    Next I will discuss a bit more how I get along with either camera and post more images from both, using various lenses.
    With best regards, K-H.
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    A7r2 + Mitakon Zhongyi Speedmaster 50/0.95
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    25% resolution image


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    A7r2 + 90/2.8 FE
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    A7r2 + 90/2.8 FE
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    A7r2 + 90/2.8 FE
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    The baseball cap says it all!


    A7r (sic!) + 90/2.8 FE
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    Sunrise over the Sangre de Cristos

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    A7r + 90/2.8 FE
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    Re: A7r, A7r2 - and why I'm keeping both ...

    This Praying Mantis


    A7r2 + Leica Telyt-APO-R 280/4


    seems to be the very Hummingbird Killer from 3 weeks ago (of course, assumed innocent until proven guilty! )


    A7r2 + FE 90/2.8 MACRO G OSS


    and she is on the prowl again.


    A7r2 + Leica Telyt-APO-R 280/4



    A7r2 + Leica Telyt-APO-R 280/4

    It seems to me she is keeping one eye focused on me while looking around with the other for potential prey.
    With best regards, K-H.
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    Here is the Leica APO-Telyt-R 280/4 mounted on the A7r2 via a single Novoflex adapter'




    However, one can replace the Novoflex NEX/LER adapter with the following two, NEX/LEM and LEM/LER, like this.



    The advantage is that one now can use the very old Leitz OUFRO/16469 extension rings between the two adapters like this, ...

    1 OUFRO/16469 ring


    3 OUFRO/16469 rings


    6 OUFRO/16469 rings


    12 OUFRO/16469 rings


    A7r + FE 90/2.8 MACRO G OSS

    ... shorten the close focus distance a bit and basically turn the 280/4 into something like a macro lens.

    Each ring adds 10 mm.
    With best regards, K-H.
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    It turns out the 12 ring configuration is particularly convenient to take pictures of black ants that are only, my guess, about 2 mm long.

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    50% resolution crop


    A7r2 + 12x OUFRO Rings + APO-Telyt-R 280/4 (and adapters of course )
    With best regards, K-H.
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    So I was curious whether I could use the 12 OUFRO ring configuration to take a portrait shot of the killer Mantis.
    This is the result.

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    A7r + 12x OUFRO Rings + APO-Telyt-R 280/4

    This image certainly suggests that the Mantis can move her eyes independently, like a chameleon for example.
    It's a bit of a challenge to get this shot with manual focus as the Mantis on the feeder is blown around by the wind and shot wide open the 12 ring configuration has a pretty narrow DoF.
    She also seems to have some powerful tools attached to her mouth to gobble up her victims.
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    So this is were the world's remaining OUFRO rings went ...
    But good fun as it is, it seems rather over-the-top to me, K-H
    What about a bellows ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Knorp View Post
    So this is were the world's remaining OUFRO rings went ...
    But good fun as it is, it seems rather over-the-top to me, K-H
    What about a bellows ?

    Kind regards.

    Thanks Bart. What about that?
    With best regards, K-H.

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    Re: A7r, A7r2 - and why I'm keeping both ...

    Quote Originally Posted by k-hawinkler View Post

    A7r + 12x OUFRO Rings + APO-Telyt-R 280/4
    It will not be very kind to the plastic mount of the A7r.

    Have you tried adding extension (electrically connected) to your 90/2.8, K-H?
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    It will not be very kind to the plastic mount of the A7r.

    Have you tried adding extension (electrically connected) to your 90/2.8, K-H?
    Thanks Vivek. Great points. Let me address your 2 points separately.

    To your first point: In the above setup the plastic mount only has to hold the weight of the A7r and, as you know, the 280/4 is manual focus only anyway.

    To your second point: Yes, I have. With the 90/2.8 lens I am using the same electrically connected extension rings that Guy Mancuso has recommended (Many thanks Guy!). They work great on the A7r/2 with AF and OSS/IBIS and one can get extremely close to a subject.

    However, the Praying Mantis is very finicky about if one gets too close and immediately abandons her hunt and climbs back into the tree above, hiding among the leaves of the Acacia tree.
    Last edited by k-hawinkler; 27th September 2015 at 05:01.
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    Re: A7r, A7r2 - and why I'm keeping both ...

    Last night's Moon http://www.space.com/30480-rare-supe...015-video.html, quote:

    "Rare 'Super-Harvest Blood Moon' To Shine On September 27, 2015
    The moon will pass into Earth’s shadow producing a total lunar eclipse during the "Supermoon" – a time when the full moon occurs "at or near its closest approach to Earth in a given orbit," according to NASA.
    Because this full moon happens on the night of the autumnal equinox (9-27-2015), it is also known as the Harvest Moon. Credit: NASA/JPL-Caltech
    "

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    Sony A7r2 + FE 90/2.8 MACRO G OSS @ ISO 3200, f/2.8, 1/5 s, M, Live View Display/Setting Effect OFF, AWB, AF-S, Flexible Spot: S, Optical Steady Shot ON, handheld, processed in C1.

    Very easy to see - Display/Setting Effect OFF - and focus - AF-S, Flexible Spot: S.
    With best regards, K-H.
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    Re: A7r, A7r2 - and why I'm keeping both ...

    Sunstar - Bandelier National Monument



    A7r2 + Leica WATE 16-18-21/4 @ 16 mm
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    A large Kiva at Bandelier.



    A7r2 + Leica WATE 16-18-21/4 @ 16 mm

    Bandelier National Monument seems to be a perfect place to visit with an UWA lens, like the Leica WATE16-18-21/4, and a high resolution camera, such as the Sony A7r2 with 42 MP.
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    One more image from Bandelier from yesterday.



    A7r2 + Leica WATE 16-18-21/4 @ 16 mm
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    A7r2 + FE 90/2.8
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    25% resolution image. Bokeh



    A7r (sic!) + FE 90/2.8


    100% resolution crop. The Praying Mantis on the Prowl again!

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    Evening Light



    A7r2 + Leica WATE 16-18-21/4

    Sometimes the light feels just right. The A7r2 + WATE indeed is a joy to use!
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    Re: A7r, A7r2 - and why I'm keeping both ...

    This paper http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/sony-alpha-7r-ii/8 seems interesting, quote:

    "Shooting ISO Invariant using S-Log 2

    On most cameras it's difficult to take advantage of their ISO Invariant nature because the camera's meter considers you to be hugely under-exposing and, even if your camera will present a preview that isn't related to exposure, the files you shoot are likely to appear almost totally black, making it very difficult to assess exposure.

    Sony's S-Log 2 gamma curve: primarily designed for movie shooting, it ends up doubling as a handy way of making it easier to make use of the sensor's capabilities. The ways it does this are two-fold: firstly, because it offers an incredibly flat tone curve, the dark tones in the Raw file that you might want to make use of are pulled up and presented reasonably brightly.

    Secondly, though, is the knock-on effect of this tone curve. Because ISO ratings are based on mid tones in JPEGs and the flat tone curve pulls its mid tones from a long way down the Raw file, the S-Log2 mode is considered to be a higher ISO than the normal tone curve. As a result, the lowest available ISO in S-Log2 mode is 800: not because the lower settings are being locked off but because an ISO 800 exposure is enough for a middle-grey object to be represented as a middle grey in the S-Log 2 JPEGs.

    Looked at from a Raw perspective and what's happening is the camera is trying to use ISO 800 exposures but with much lower amplification than in standard mode, meaning highlights aren't being amplified out of the file. (If shot with the same exposure values, the ISO 800 Raw files from S-Log2 shooting appear to be somewhere between the ISO 125 and ISO 160 results in standard mode).

    As a result, shooting in SLog-2 mode not only provides a more usable preview and output JPEG, it also essentially causes the camera to reduce exposure by 2.5EV to protect highlights.
    "

    So, I gave that line of thought a try, set ISO to 800 and took two shots, one with Picture Profile Off and one with PP7.

    First the OOC JPGs, reduced in size only, no further processing.

    OOC JPG, PP Off


    OOC JPG, PP7


    Indeed, when taking the shots, the images appear similarly in the EVF.


    Next, images derived from the raw files with Default processing in C1.

    Derived from .ARW file, PP Off, Default Adjustments


    Derived from .ARW file, PP7, Default Adjustments


    Here the PP7 derived image avoids the extremes of the highs and lows of the PP Off version.


    And finally the images derived from the raw files with zero adjustments.

    Derived from .ARW file, PP Off, 0 Adjustments


    Derived from .ARW file, PP7, 0 Adjustments


    As anticipated, for PP7 the camera reduced exposure by 2.5EV to protect highlights.

    My take: I am going to try this approach with scenes of excessive DR, easily encountered in the "Land of Enchantment".
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    Re: A7r, A7r2 - and why I'm keeping both ...

    Now let's put the S-Log2 Picture Profile to use in an actual landscape shot.
    This is the in size reduced OOC JPG. It's similar in appearance to LiveView in the EVF or on the LCD.




    This is the image derived with C1 from the .ARW file and pretty close to what my eyes saw on a beautiful fall day here in the "Land of Enchantment"!



    A7r2 + WATE @ 21 mm in APS-C mode, so a FoV corresponding to 31.5 mm in 135 film and covered by 18 MP.
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    Re: A7r, A7r2 - and why I'm keeping both ...

    Interesting stuff, K-H !
    I'll give it a try too.

    Kind regards
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    Quote Originally Posted by Knorp View Post
    Interesting stuff, K-H !
    I'll give it a try too.

    Kind regards

    Many thanks Bart. You need to use C1.
    Then this approach becomes almost effortless!
    CS6 gives a totally flat image or mostly black.
    With best regards, K-H.
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    Quote Originally Posted by k-hawinkler View Post
    Many thanks Bart. You need to use C1.
    Then this approach becomes almost effortless!
    CS6 gives a totally flat image or mostly black.
    Although crippled (no OpenCL) after I killed my cat, thank you El Capitan, C1 is still my preferred tool.
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    Re: A7r, A7r2 - and why I'm keeping both ...

    Might have to try this also. Looks interesting
    Photography is all about experimentation and without it you will never learn art.

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    Re: A7r, A7r2 - and why I'm keeping both ...

    What is the difference between this PP7 and the DRO settings? TIA.
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    Re: A7r, A7r2 - and why I'm keeping both ...

    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    What is the difference between this PP7 and the DRO settings? TIA.
    After turning the silent mode off in my A7s, I could access the PP settings ( http://helpguide.sony.net/ilc/1420/v...ture%20profile ).

    Whoa! This is a whole different ball game! There are way too many parameters that can be selected to taste.

    Q for K-H: Why did you go for PP7 when PP2 is recommended for stills?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    What is the difference between this PP7 and the DRO settings? TIA.
    Thanks Vivek. Great question.

    Although with DRO you try to modify the hi and lo exposure areas, you do not underexpose the entire image by 2.5 stops to protect the hi areas. This method indeed does IMHO.

    So, I would use this approach primarily for scenes in which the DR range exceeds the abilities of the camera in order to protect highlights. Although this method forces the camera to use ISO 800 the resulting noise level seems more typical for ISO 125 or 160 as explained in the quote from the dpreview staff.
    With best regards, K-H.
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