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I guess that you refer to this thread that you started on Lula... http://forum.luminous-landscape.com/index.php?topic=103862.0... Well, that is a news thread...Thank god Theodoros is here to turn this forum into Lula. Because clearly, one ruined MF forum isn't enough.
Carry on.
Good thinking... its best if you stick to discussions on how your Credo 40 compares with your D800 and let us trolls discuss the other areas of photographic applications and the future of MFDBs with them... :ROTFL:Yep, I started a thread about this topic in the GENERAL NEWS section of Lula, addressing Sony shooters without adding unnecessary comments about how the sky is falling down on MF.
Because I have the intellectual capacity of an adult and not a 6 year old. Might be an alien concept to you.
Moving on from this thread now because people who post here are fortunately, smart enough to smell the trolls and not feed them, unlike Lula.
Cheerio.
The reason I left the other place, do you know any other forums?Thank god Theodoros is here to turn this forum into Lula. Because clearly, one ruined MF forum isn't enough.
Carry on.
This is a very strange comment.Breaking news! Sony Announces Addition of Uncompressed 14-Bit RAW Still Image Capture for New α Cameras!!!! | sonyalpharumors
Before the end of the year, all A7 cameras will be firmware updated to offer 14bit lossless compressed & uncompressed raws (that will obviously boost their performance by a considerable margin)... At a fraction of the cost, an A7Rii on Cambo Actus (or Arca Universallis) will be able to directly rival for IQ any MFDB/view camera combination by at least 95%... It seems that even the most resistant MFDB "castles" for serious photography are under major attack that will lead to further shrinkage of the MF market... and since IQ of FF sensor improves at a faster rate than the MF ones, I don't see how the market situation may reverse or even stabilize...
Thanks for letting me know, I had no idea that there were already better solutions out there. Again, keep up the great work!Your IQ 180 is already inferior than any "true color" (multishot) MFDB for still work with a view camera. If the Sony sensor will be offered in a "true color" (multishot) version and combined with a mini view camera (like the Actus is), the results won't be up to 98% of an IQ 180 with view camera combination... It will surpass them by quite a (visible) margin.
There is always the Pentax Forum.The reason I left the other place, do you know any other forums?
After all, the MFDBs 15 years ago where all of 36x24mm sensor size and none called them anything else than ...MFDBs! And yes... A Sony A7 is used exactly as an MFDB if used on view camera and thus it can only be compared with one...Maybe it’s time to dispense with terms like 35mm, MF etc. altogether in the digital world. Just hangovers from the film days, that really have little or no meaning outside of marketing blurb (was the P1 H5 a 35mm digital back or a medium format back? It was marketed as the latter, but had a '35mm sized' sensor; go figure).
IIRC it was Guy who mentioned that the A7RII is basically a digital back - and, from what I see and read about how it is being used, I couldn’t agree more. It's the H5 of 2015.
Perhaps we should just stick to MP in describing a capture device (maybe enhanced by pixel size and sensor tech e.g. 80/5.2μ/CCD), rather than how it relates in overall surface area to a piece of acetate covered in a light sensitive emulsion. Doesn’t trip off the tongue so well, but probably more appropriate.
This is a very strange comment.
First one ought to define performance.
The classic definition is what the image looks like to a standard viewer at a standard distance.
There are many measurements that can be used to assist in quantifying image appearance such as:
1) resolution
2) color fidelity (all sorts of technical variables go into this)
3) Dynamic range which is further affected by the substrate or viewing technique (monitor, print, backlit print, illuminant)
4) gamma
5) quantization (or some might say posterization)
6) Psycho-visual factors (nobody really likes natural saturation or contrast)
7) Subject matter high frequency components
8) focal length, subject distance, and reproduction ratio
9) distortion
There are also factors as relate to the photographer and his personal choice of tools and techniques.
There are several compression techniques that are employed by camera manufacturers in a misguided attempt to scrimp on storage. The best lossless techniques are truly lossless and the sensor data is recoverable just the way it was prior to compression.
A lossy compression technique is an engineering defect
By correcting a defect that MFDBs don't have in the first place, it is hard to say exactly what was achieved other than the correction of a bug or misfeature.
Percentage performance comparison is rather fruitless as well as comparison might be close for one use or technique but very different for another.
Please avoid these sorts of claims unless you can back it up with observable data.
It rained all day yesterday in the desert where I live. Does that mean it is no longer a desert? No it simply means that it rained.
Since so many images posted today on the net are rather small jpegs (compressed I will note) I can maintain with some backing that the average smartphone is already at more than 95% adequacy for use by most folks. Sony's bug correction will make it no better at competing with those phones.
thanks
-bob
Two things I noticed that makes this still not viable for me are:"And yes... A Sony A7 is used exactly as an MFDB if used on view camera and thus it can only be compared with one..."
not quite; it may have almost the same pixel count, but on a smaller sensor; the registration distance prevents the use of wide angle lenses (on the Actus), if anything, you might compare it to a "cropped" MFdb
It does not belong here at all. Just because they changed to metal mount from a plastic mount and charging a hefty premium for it will not make it medium format.Moderators: Can this speculative thread please be moved to the Sony section where it belongs?
Lol we need a who gives a **** forum. LolI would have moved this thread to the "Threads that are controversial for no good reason and probably just ought to be deleted" but we don't have one.
That should be called the Dean Martin forum. (he was widely known as a menefreghista - roughly translated: 'one who doesn't give a f***'.)Lol we need a who gives a **** forum. Lol