Yup, time to wave the white flag. To everybody their own, I have nothing against Leica as I've said and I use them myself.
However denying you put Leica on a pedestal as well as finally hiding behind "this is the Sony forum" when you're outvoted don't help your credibility. Maybe try the Leica forum, because I see no reason to waste your and our time over here. Most of us here don't have any problems with a critical discussion on Sony cameras and most of us will agree they're not perfect but to me your writings don't add value anymore to a critical discussion.
I can see that you do not understand me at all.
You see, I never frequent
any brand forums. The way I approach this board, just as with all other boards other than DPR where it isn't possible, is to click the "New Posts" link and see what interesting topics there might be regardless of what brand affiliation they might have. I read about medium format, large format, film, all the 35mm brands, instant film, and all the digital brands.
I don't give a darn what brand is being discussed, I never look at the brand partition unless I have a camera specific question and/or originate a thread. Then it makes sense to address the question to those who might have specific answers.
My interest in Sony's products specifically was piqued with the A7 line, which is why I bought one to experiment with and evaluate. I used it almost exclusively for a year and some, trying to make it work the way I wanted my camera to work and for the purposes I had in mind. I found that it didn't meet my expectations, and decided I wasn't interested in pursuing it further. That doesn't mean I'm not interested in the technology they offer, I am. But I will go with Nikon, Leica, Olympus equipment when I put my money down as their value proposition suits my needs and goals better, with fewer problems.
I've taken to avoiding most of the Sony oriented threads on the forum because the noisome sensitivity of the participants here make it unpleasant, to say the least. But this thread is in place seemingly to do little but slam a new Leica camera that only a couple of the people here have even seen in the flesh. I find it mostly ridiculous, and occasionally sad, that this brand boosterism can affect so many otherwise sensible, thoughtful, and experienced photographers.
I was shooting yesterday with my Pentax FA43 Limited mounted on the much ridiculed Pentax K-01 mirrorless camera designed by Marc Newsom. I found one cheap, practically new, and outfitted it with my two favorite Pentax lenses. It produced several exquisite portraits, a couple of lovely still lifes, and was fun to shoot with. The sensor is old, only 16Mpixel (I think, can't remember), the IBIS works very well, and it's darn cute in bright yellow. Most here will call it a piece of junk. No one here has commented on the photo, posted to the often forgotten Pentax forum. I see it as a minor collectible and a perfectly nice little camera, despite its lack of either red dot or Sony logo.
I just could care less about pedestals and brand snobbism, regardless what brand you espouse. I do see something wrong with photographers who, out of hand and with no first hand experience, slam a major brand's new products based upon mostly irrelevant spec sheet jockeying and mindless on-line reviews, who blind themselves to looking at a new product for what it is and what it can produce, objectively and with an open mind.
Enjoy your Sonys. I will enjoy my cameras.
G
