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    Re: Fun with the NEX cameras....

    Monza, while I am not Terry, I have owned the other cameras so I can render a personal opinion. If I had to rank UI's it would go like this:

    1. Ricoh GXR
    2. Panny GF-1
    3. Sony NEX 5
    4. Oly EP-1

    However, it is really close between the Panny & the Sony. It depends on how frequently you change ISO settings. Further, it depends on how often you would use special features like panorama or HDR. I have found the Sony pretty easy to use as I don't change ISO that often in normal shooting (not testing for ISO performance). Changing aperture or shutter speed is pretty easy and fast on the Sony as is changing exposure compensation. Formatting a card is a bigger problem because menus don't wrap and it is near the bottom of the menu.
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    Quote Originally Posted by monza View Post
    Terry, what's your assessment of the user interface as compared to the Panny and the Oly?
    I feel like I'm waiting for a "gotcha" and so far I haven't really come across anything that I said to myself "now that was really dumb".

    I shot this weekend in Aperture Priority with Auto ISO set. I also turned the shooting tips bit off - which then changes the bottom button to move the focus area. On the back of the camera there are three buttons and a scrollable four way controller.

    All buttons are contextual but for regular shooting in A Mode
    Top button is menu
    Bottom button moves the AF point
    Middle button changes mode (P,A,S,M etc)

    To change Aperture - turn scroll wheel
    To change EV - push "down" on four way controller then turn the wheel

    It was very simple.

    If you don't use Auto ISO, it will take a little more time to get to ISO changes. Need to hit the top menu button. If you aren't there, you need to navigate to the Brightness/Color section and ISO is the 2nd option. Not as fast to get to but not horrendous and I had very good luck with the Auto ISO.

    WB is the third item on that list. I shot AWB this weekend and never had and exposure that I felt "wow that was way off".

    There are three display modes for when shooting - just shutter speed, f stop and EV. (I have histo and grid lines turned on). The grid lines are very mellow and nice (rule of thirds) and unlike Oly they can peacefully co-exist on all shooting screen. The second display mode I don't like it has a scale for f stop and shutter speed at the bottom. Haven't shot with it. The display I use has all relevant data on the left (drive, metering, focus, etc)

    Also three display modes in review....no data, RGB histo and shooting data (with blinking clipping), shooting data no histo. One button push to enlarge. On push to go back in size or scroll wheel to go step by step larger or smaller. I'm still a little fumbly going from shot to shot.

    In many instances for me less is more.
    On the M8 there were very few controls to fiddle with. Read through the manual once for about 10 minutes and you never really need to look at it again. Loved the simplicity.
    On the micro 4/3 bodies (Oly more than Panny) the manual is important as there are so many embedded choices. Oly is pretty atrocious for this however some people love it. For the NEX I'm finding the manual is not really needed although I did consult it a couple of times when back home to make sure what I thought was correct.

    Manual focus override is the same as Panny if you half press shutter and turn focus wheel you get an enlarged view. There are three mode (AF/DMF/MF). DMF is what I just described. There is the shoot without lens option (the same as Panny). My Alpha mount adapter should arrive this week. M mount adapters will start showing up on ebay this week. I am expecting wide angle M mount lenses to be terrible.

    In operation it is more responsive than the E-PL1 I will have to do some more work to compare it to the G2/GF1.

    All in all I was prepared for it to be horrific and so far I think I like it way way, way more than I thought I would. If you like to keep your shooting pretty simple you probably will like it. If you like the E-P1 interface you will probably hate it .

    I hope that helps.
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    Re: Fun with the NEX cameras....

    Terry, you did a great job of covering it and I have to agree with your observations completely.
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    There is a c-mount adapter (RJ) in the market. That should make it interesting in terms of size (there is also FD adapter, etc).

    Given the fact that the NEXs don't have an EVF, the price isn't that attractive compared to the competition. The LCD is more flexible than the EPs but less versatile than the G1/GH1/G2. The G2 looks like a very reasonably priced cam at the moment.

    Since there is no EVF available, I will wait for the NEX-7/9 (?). By that time, hopefully, Sony would also make body caps for their cams.

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    Re: Fun with the NEX cameras....

    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    (...) Since there is no EVF available, I will wait for the NEX-7/9 (?). (...)
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    Why they dont make the NEX5 with a built-in EVF is beyound me ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steen View Post
    Why they dont make the NEX5 with a built-in EVF is beyound me ...
    Well - to me it seem that they wanted for what reason ever (marketing?) the body as small as possible (smaller than sensor didn't work...). Adding an EVF makes the camera "much" bigger... And for the target group (users of compact cameras i.m.o.) LCD-only made and small body made more sense for them.
    For me I do hope that they will add a tool like a M9, but without that price tag

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    Re: Fun with the NEX cameras....

    Quote Originally Posted by Steen View Post
    + 1

    Why they dont make the NEX5 with a built-in EVF is beyound me ...
    AFAIK, no one has an EVF that matches up to Panasonic's. Samsung's and Olympus' optional EVF are blindingly sharp. So sharp that one can see the pixels rather than the image and other information.

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    Re: Fun with the NEX cameras....

    I actually prefer the design of the tilting LCD over the side-swinging style of the G2. It's like a pseudo-waistlevel finder. I'm sure it's just a matter of time before an EVF is available. As for a Nex 7/9, that may very well be just a matter of a long time, but I prefer small as possible for this type of camera.

    I'm anxious to see M lens performance. Thanks, Terry!

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    Re: Fun with the NEX cameras....

    Congrats on your new NEX 5 Terry! Wonderful shots of the Pride event, so fabulously colorful. I honestly couldn't guess which camera without reading the EXIF, those from the little camera are every bit as as compelling as the A900's. Great stuff!
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    Re: Fun with the NEX cameras....

    Quote Originally Posted by TEBnewyork View Post
    In operation it is more responsive than the E-P1 I will have to do some more work to compare it to the G2/GF1.
    HI Terry
    all great information - is that more responsive than the E-P1 NOW or the E-P1 THEN (i.e. before the firmware updates?)

    all the best

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post
    HI Terry
    all great information - is that more responsive than the E-P1 NOW or the E-P1 THEN (i.e. before the firmware updates?)

    all the best
    Corrected my post that should have been the E-PL1. My responsive was not meant to be a comment on AF. It is the overall feel of the camera and how quickly it goes shot to shot, any shutter lag etc. The focus has gotten much much better on the Pens so that really isn't an issue. I have the image review turned off and I feel like the camera is always ready for the next shot instantly. Uwe asked me to test out the bracketing last night. I used my iPhone as a timer and it was consistently taking about 0.5 seconds to knock out a 3 shot bracket. Image stabilization with the 18-55 kit lens seems superb and I haven't yet seen any shots where the blur seemed to come from my movement only subject movement and my restaurant shots are at slow speeds for the focal lengths being used.

    PLEASE - I am not saying for you to go out and buy one based upon my findings. You could hate it. I don't like the Pen1/2 interface and you get along fine with it so we could be at opposite ends of the spectrum on the Sony interface.

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    Re: Fun with the NEX cameras....

    Quote Originally Posted by TEBnewyork View Post

    PLEASE - I am not saying for you to go out and buy one based upon my findings. You could hate it. I don't like the Pen1/2 interface and you get along fine with it so we could be at opposite ends of the spectrum on the Sony interface.
    Hi Terry - no need to feel responsible for my disposable income
    I understand what you say about the responsiveness.
    As for the pen interface, I don't love it, but the truth is that I use it in Aperture priority or manual almost exclusively - and I don't find it a problem with that and the OK menu - which seems to me to be the way you use the NEX.
    The reason I probably won't go for a NEX is that it would be a replacement for the M9 rather than anything else, and I don't need a replacement for an M9!
    To be honest, that's why my EP-2 doesn't get used as much as it might - certainly with the panny 20 f1.7, because I'd rather have an M9 with a 35. It does get used a bit more with the 45 PL - for macro and close up (and because I love that lens). The NEX wouldn't replace the EP-2 for that either. Sounds like it might hang about on the shelf a bit!

    But I'm certainly interested in your experiences, especially when you say the colour is like that on the A900 (just the very best as far as I'm concerned).

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    Re: Fun with the NEX cameras....

    I am interested in reading what the NEX owners experience (in particular with non Sony lenses with adapters).

    I am not going to buy a NEX3/5 because of the lack of EVF (and the price despite that absent EVF).

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    A900 Zeiss 135


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    Very nice, Rand 47. Great lens, isn't it!
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    Re: Fun with the NEX cameras....

    So far, I really find myself liking the NEX 5. I am debating whether to keep my GXR or the NEX as both are excellent cameras. However, I am disappointed that Ricoh has focused on small sensor modules instead of APS-C modules and apparently won't have another APS-C module until December. The S10 module that I purchased is a big disappointment in IQ which means I am limited to the 50 mm focal length and that is too limiting. With adapters the Nex will offer a wide range of lens options. Of course, I would like to see some nice small primes of higher quality. The other thing going against the GXR is the slow AF. However, even more irritating than the slow AF is the tendency for the image to jump after focus is reached and the framing to change. Despite those negatives, the GXR is still a very good and very solid camera. As I get more experience I will make a decision.
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    Re: Fun with the NEX cameras....

    Went out to dinner and decided to test out ISO 6400 and see what I got. These are jpegs, noise reduction set to low, untouched other than resize (with LR sharpen for screen). According to DPReview testing this is really ISO 8000. I'm impressed with the image stabilization on this lens. I have full files and RAWs if anyone wants to play. I think Silkypix might read the RAWs.

    36mm f6.3 1/60


    18mm f6.3 1/5


    55mm f6.3 1/20


    18mm f6.3 1/20


    18mm f6.3 1/20


    22mm f6.3 1/40 ( I think the softness is movement)


    22mm f.3 1/30

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    Re: Fun with the NEX cameras....

    Terry,

    these shots in low light are really promising! Also the others you posted earlier from the parade, great colors tack sharp, I really start to like this camera.

    I currently use the EP2 with 17 an 14-45 lenses, great camera, but for me this is my always carry on cam, so I carry it on all business trips. Found that it is a bit heavy. What is the NEX5 WRT weight like compared to Oly cameras?

    I never ever found the EP2 or also the NEX5 as a replacement for an M8 or M9, these are totally different beasts and ways of photography for me. But I find myself getting older and lazier, so I start liking more simple and light concepts more and more. Hope there is nothing wrong

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    Re: Fun with the NEX cameras....

    I personally do not have a particular interest in the NEX in its current form, but I bought one for my girlfriend with an 18-55 kit. Honestly I don't understand the criticism and fully agree with Terry, the metering is perfect, no blown highlights, the UI is very friendly and logical. It took 2 minutes to figure everything out without reading the manual.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TEBnewyork View Post
    Went out to dinner and decided to test out ISO 6400 and see what I got.
    Okay that does it!
    Today I'm going to drive 200 km to pick one up.
    Thanks for starting this interesting thread Terry.
    I'll report back when I've got some shots that are worthwhile.

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    Re: Fun with the NEX cameras....

    Quote Originally Posted by ptomsu View Post
    Terry,


    I currently use the EP2 with 17 an 14-45 lenses, great camera, but for me this is my always carry on cam, so I carry it on all business trips. Found that it is a bit heavy. What is the NEX5 WRT weight like compared to Oly cameras?
    I'm with Peter on this one, please could we have a side by side shot of the EPL1 with the kit zoom and the Sony with the kit zoom - the kit looks so huge, but I realise that it may be just that the camera is so small.

    Sorry to be a pest

    PS - lovely pride shots - wish I'd been there too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by edwardkaraa View Post
    I personally do not have a particular interest in the NEX in its current form, but I bought one for my girlfriend with an 18-55 kit. Honestly I don't understand the criticism and fully agree with Terry, the metering is perfect, no blown highlights, the UI is very friendly and logical. It took 2 minutes to figure everything out without reading the manual.
    It is hard to know on the over exposure issues. I traded email with the reviewer on this. The cameras shipping in the US are using firmware 1.04 and the tested camera was on 1.03. Until the firmware issues are synched up they can't tell for sure if that was changed. If/when they get the correct firmware version from Sony they will update the review.

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    Re: Fun with the NEX cameras....

    Jono

    Will take some pics to compare size ASAP

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    Re: Fun with the NEX cameras....

    Quote Originally Posted by TEBnewyork View Post
    Jono

    Will take some pics to compare size ASAP
    Thanks Terry - I played with one today, and it did seem pretty manageable, but it'd be nice to see the comparison, and I'm sure everyone else would find it useful.
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    Re: Fun with the NEX cameras....

    Remember this is a public service. Any and all references to being a gear whore are wholly unappreciated.

    I will say it is very hard to translate the pictures to how these feel in hand. The Sony really does feel small even if the lens looks huge. The Hexanon lens on the GF1 is almost identical in size to the Panny kit lens not extended.







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    Wow!! Thanks!

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    Re: Fun with the NEX cameras....

    Quote Originally Posted by TEBnewyork View Post
    Remember this is a public service. Any and all references to being a gear whore are wholly unappreciated.
    It would be quite inexcusable . . . where's the A900?

    Well, I'm quite convinced by the NEX - all it needs now is raw support.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post
    It would be quite inexcusable . . . where's the A900?
    Hey, I'm getting down to bare bones here and something had to take the picture....oh wait perhaps the iPhone.

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    Mike Hatam says he is a "gear XXXX". Him being a male that is OK.

    I do not think such labels on Terry or any of the lady members here would be tolerated.

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    Re: Fun with the NEX cameras....

    How fast of a camera is the NEx5? The reviews Ive read say it takes like 3 secs to turn on. How about AF speed? One of my biggest complaints against the E-P1 are dynamic range and AF speed. Ive read the Gf1AF is faster than the E-P1s but not by much. What is your take on the NEX5?

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    Re: Fun with the NEX cameras....

    Quote Originally Posted by TEBnewyork View Post
    Hey, I'm getting down to bare bones here and something had to take the picture....oh wait perhaps the iPhone.
    The new iphone camera is remarkably good, even if it makes you feel a bit odd when it's focusing

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    Re: Fun with the NEX cameras....

    Agreed. The I've been pleasantly surprised by the iPhone 4 camera, considering the size.

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    Terry,

    Will you be getting the 16mm lens to test out?

    I am curious as all get out. For me, this is an idea focal length for this size sensor. I would like to have a little camera to replace the Canon G10 that my Better Half has purloined, and this might fit the bill. I don't really care about the zoom, I could shoot all day long with a 24mm equivalent lens. I even have the Voigtlander 25mm viewfinder that I could use with it if I get tired of the screen on the back.

    Here's what I like about this so far:

    1. Small body, easy to take anywhere.
    2. Relatively big sensor (much bigger than the G10, but with the same megapixels).
    3. Minimum focus distance is just under 10" (can't do that with my M6).
    4. Nice colors (I mean the photos, not the actual camera body).

    But I am concerned about the quality of the 16mm lens. It's priced pretty darn cheap for such a wide prime. The samples on DPReview don't really tell me much, mainly because they're pretty crappy photos to begin with. The photo of the brick wall was useful though, as it showed than the lens has less distortion than the zoom.

    I think I am comparing this to the Sigma DP1X for my purposes. but that wouldn't be quite as wide, and the lens is one stop slower.

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    Does anyone know of an adapter that allows the use of LTM (39mm thread) rangefinder lenses on the NEX?

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    Re: Fun with the NEX cameras....

    I have the 16mm on order but I think it may be a couple of weeks before it gets here. I think it will be way more versatile than the Sigma if you need to do anything in low light. I can guarantee not from use but from all I've read the NEX is a way more responsive camera. Foveon IQ can be incredible but it is limited in ISO capability.

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    Quote Originally Posted by surfotog View Post
    Does anyone know of an adapter that allows the use of LTM (39mm thread) rangefinder lenses on the NEX?
    Stay tuned there are supposedly a bunch of adapters that are going to hit the market in the next couple of weeks.

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    Re: Fun with the NEX cameras....

    Rawfa, I can give you a relative comparison to GF-1, EP1 and GXR A12.

    First on start up times. The Sony is so fast that as fast as i can turn the camera on and press the shutter it captures the shot in focus. Less than 1 sec (maybe around .4 sec). The GXR comes on quickly but one has to wait for it to focus before you can press the shutter button all the way or it is locked out from shooting. ABout 2 seconds shooting same target. I don't have the GF 1 any longer but if memory serves me it is about the same as the NEX. The EP-1 was even slower than the GXR.

    AF speed, the Nex is very close to the GF1 with the GF1 perhaps being a tad faster but not enough to make a big difference. Considering the GF1 had been out a lot longer and is much more mature in its firmware this distinction is hardly worth mentioning. The GXR is slow, from the timings I have done it is on par with the EP1 and the Leica X1.

    I found the slow AF intolerable in the EP-1 and as much as I like many other facets of the GXR the AF is painful in all but optimum conditions. With the Sony it is ready to shoot when I am.
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    Re: Fun with the NEX cameras....

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    I will say it is very hard to translate the pictures to how these feel in hand. The Sony really does feel small even if the lens looks huge. The Hexanon lens on the GF1 is almost identical in size to the Panny kit lens not extended.

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    Here is a quick shot I took last night at ISO 1600 in very bad tungsten light at 1/8th sec f4.5 and 41mm FL.
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    Quote Originally Posted by barjohn View Post
    I found the slow AF intolerable in the EP-1 and as much as I like many other facets of the GXR the AF is painful in all but optimum conditions. With the Sony it is ready to shoot when I am.
    HI John
    The AF on the Pens has been vastly improved by firmware updates - I just tried switching on my ep2 and taking a shot - it seems perfectly quick to me, and the AF (which was almost impossible before) seems fine.

    So - question is, when you talk about the intolerable EP-1 are you talking about 4 months ago? or now? Important distinction I think. Unfortunate to tar the camera with an old brush.

    P.S. great capture at ISO 1600

    P.P.S. this is not me being an Olympus 'fanboy' - I'm seriously considering changing to the NEX, but the half hour I spent with it yesterday didn't suggest it was faster than the PEN, the kit lens was almost unusable at less than 35mm because of the distortion, there is no macro available, and the package with a zoom is bigger than the pen with the 14-42. On the other hand it felt fab, loved the metal stuff, images from you and Terry look really good, and the little lens was rather dreamy.

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    Jono, to be fair I am talking back before the updates on the EP-1. I really liked the JPGs from the EP-1 but other than being sharpened in camera more than the Nex I don't think they are any better. The colors I am seeing from the SOny look good and very accurate. Like many others I would like to see more small primes but one always trades off something. The lens stabilization is quite good as you can see in the quick shot above at 1/8th second. Additionally, when I had the EP-1 the screen washed out in bright sunlight making it a true P&S as I guessed at what I was shooting and I couldn't review either (at the beach) still I got some good shots. The LCD when set to bright sun is very usable here in Southern CA in very bright sun. I haven't taken to the beach yet but I live inland near the desert and the sun here can be very intense.
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    Actually, the other place the NEX screen does well is in low light. I would say best in class for retaining visibility without lots of noisy grain and still seems to refresh quickly.

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    Hi John
    thanks for clarifying that - it really has improved a great deal, even if it isn't quite as good as the GF1. I thought the screen on the Sony looked pretty good too. In bright sun I usually use the EVF with the Pen, which works okay, but I haven't been in a situation where I couldn't see the LCD.

    So - Terry - do you think you'll be tempted to drop your Panny gear in favour of this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post

    So - Terry - do you think you'll be tempted to drop your Panny gear in favour of this?

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    Jono- m4/3 is a much more complete system with NEX having a lot of catch up to do on lenses (including distortion correction). If I had the equivalent of the 7-14, 20mm and 45 macro for the NEX it would start to be a more difficult decision. The other thing I love in m4/3 is my IR converted GF1. I have some great images from that camera. I leave for Ireland in about six weeks let's see what I decide to take with me.

    John - I'm with you the image stabilization on the 18-55 lens is superb. I've been very surprised at the lack of motion blur at low shutter speeds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TEBnewyork View Post
    Jono- m4/3 is a much more complete system with NEX having a lot of catch up to do on lenses (including distortion correction). If I had the equivalent of the 7-14, 20mm and 45 macro for the NEX it would start to be a more difficult decision. The other thing I love in m4/3 is my IR converted GF1. I have some great images from that camera. I leave for Ireland in about six weeks let's see what I decide to take with me.

    John - I'm with you the image stabilization on the 18-55 lens is superb. I've been very surprised at the lack of motion blur at low shutter speeds.[/QUOTE]

    I hear what you're saying Terry - another reason to stay where I am for the time being at least. In the final analysis, despite having adaptors and lenses I rarely use anything but the m4/3 lenses on the Pen.

    One of the reasons for keeping the pen and dropping the GF1 was the body based IS. It seems odd that the NEX has it in lenses rather than in body like the A900, to keep it small I guess.

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    Hi, first post .... and registered purely to thank all the people posting in this thread because it was this thread that helped me to decide to buy myself the NEX5 (two lens kit!) because I'm pretty convinced it's exactly what I need.

    I've long been a point and shooter and have had a 12mb Lumix for a while but wanted something that simply gave me a slightly better picture. The main thing is that I really want to keep it in the pocket because if it's in the wife's bag I'll simply not take as many piccies. So it should fit in the pocket with the pancake lens and then I'll request the bigger lens as and when it's required.

    I only happened on the NEX5 a couple of days ago whilst flicking through a magazine and then started googling and reading. It is certainly a camera that polarised views. It seemed to me after a while that a couple of issues were shaping the views.

    Firstly the main review that seemed to be the basis of most further discussion was a review of a pre-production unit. The second issue is that so many reviewers were reviewing it from the standpoint of a talented and demanding enthusiast hwo is predomently a DSLR user. It seems to me that this was a secondary target the main target being people who largely "knew no better" and wanted a superb point and shoot that could do a bit more on demand. I can quite see why it would be a totally inadequate camera as a second camera for a real enthusiast but for those that have never found how easy it is to set the ISO on a really easy camera - they will know no better and learn to use the NEX5 and be happy with it I'm sure. On the UK Sony site there's a useful little play with the camera where you can set the depth of field etc. There is a real market for someone who wants the quality of pirctures that have been posted here and a prepared to spend a few bucks more.

    The other thing I'm looking forward to is currently my wife uses a pocket Sony HDR-TG1 as her camcorder which fits nicely in the pocket. We're thrilled with it but I'm looking forward to comparing what this will do in comparison which then may free-up a pocket. If it is comparable we'll buy the mic.

    Anyway ... I just joined to say thanks.

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    Re: Fun with the NEX cameras....

    UK1 - welcome to the forum and congratulations on your new kit! As you start to use the camera it would be great to hear your thoughts in moving from the smaller sensor p&s camera to the NEX.

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    We just received some NEX3s. Here are some comparison photos of an E-P2 with 17mm and the NEX3 with 16mm.

    Sensor size comparison:














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    Re: Fun with the NEX cameras....

    Robert, Does the Sony 16/2.8 come with a hood?

    BTW, the Samsung NX10 also has a bigger looking sensor than the one in the G1.
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