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    NEX with HDR and RAW

    I consider it a design flaw that the NEX cannot shoot:

    RAW + HDR and maybe RAW + JPEG + HDR. THis means I would like to get the middle exposure shot as a RAW file.


    Below shot as RAW:

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    Hope someone can point me ......

    I'd like to play around with some raw output from my NEX-5 in Elements 8, but I cannot see how to open arw files. I have downloaded a plug-in (cameraraw 5_6) and I've unzipped it and I believe the instructions are telling me to replace the current cameraraw file with the new one, but my current installation doesn't seem to have this file.

    I'm probably doing something basic wrong so if anyone can see what it is I'd appreciate the tip!

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    Re: Fun with the NEX cameras....

    Quote Originally Posted by UK1 View Post
    Hope someone can point me ......

    I'd like to play around with some raw output from my NEX-5 in Elements 8, but I cannot see how to open arw files. I have downloaded a plug-in (cameraraw 5_6) and I've unzipped it and I believe the instructions are telling me to replace the current cameraraw file with the new one, but my current installation doesn't seem to have this file.

    I'm probably doing something basic wrong so if anyone can see what it is I'd appreciate the tip!

    Jeff
    Nope you aren't doing anything wrong. The RAW support isn't available yet. I hear the next release should have it. Not sure if that means a week or a month

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    Quote Originally Posted by TEBnewyork View Post
    Nope you aren't doing anything wrong. The RAW support isn't available yet. I hear the next release should have it. Not sure if that means a week or a month
    Many thanks again for your help.

    As an interim the image data lightbox on the CD migrates raw to tiff and then into Elements 8 ... but that I guess defeats the object!

    The Adobe website implies (at least it seemed so to me) that

    Adobe


    ..... but I presume I misunderstood or it was camera specific or something.

    Thanks again.

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    Re: Fun with the NEX cameras....

    Try Bibble 5 Pro. It allow you to work with the RAW files and is much better than the Sony included product.
    V/r John

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    Yogi Kaivalyananda, Here in Olympia, WA. Just resized.

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    Re: Fun with the NEX cameras....

    I also would like to use RAW, but I have a non-Intel based MAC. I think that the new version of ACR will probably only work with the Intel based MACs.

    Do I convert the Sony RAW files to Adobe RAW format to proceed, and then use CS4??

    Or do I just buy a new MAC????

    Please advise.

    Martin
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    Re: Fun with the NEX cameras....

    Quote Originally Posted by Martin S View Post
    I also would like to use RAW, but I have a non-Intel based MAC. I think that the new version of ACR will probably only work with the Intel based MACs.

    Do I convert the Sony RAW files to Adobe RAW format to proceed, and then use CS4??

    Or do I just buy a new MAC????

    Please advise.

    Martin
    Martin, it is time for a new Mac. It is likely over 4 years old and there are many changes in hardware/software during this. Let me know your requirements and I may suggest what to get.

    In short:

    - Mobility in mind mainly: Mac Book Pro (8GB of memory)
    - iMac is great with 27" display
    - Then for power users the Mac Pros (like get updated soon)
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    Re: Fun with the NEX cameras....

    Use now the NEX-5 (my own) shooting bracketed RAWs. The +/- 2/3 EV steps are a bad designed limit but it still can help (I create HDR or can pick the best single exposure). Considering that the 18-55mm is very much a consumer lens the results are not bad at all.



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    Cannot count how often we shot this knob and this is one of the best we got (ISO 800):

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    Re: Fun with the NEX cameras....

    Uwe, these are wonderful series. I resisted to comment on the first few images, but you keep posting so many more of these beautiful images.
    Best Regards,
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pham Minh Son View Post
    Uwe, these are wonderful series. I resisted to comment on the first few images, but you keep posting so many more of these beautiful images.
    Best Regards,
    Son
    Thanks.
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    Re: Fun with the NEX cameras....

    Uwe,

    I was afraid that that was the answer. Finances are a little tight right now so a new MAC may have to wait for a while. Most likely I will go for a 27" IMAC I5.

    In the meantime will I be able to convert Sony RAW files to Adobe RAW via converter, and then manipulate in CS4???

    Thanks

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    A900 70-400G @280 mm



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    Re: Fun with the NEX cameras....

    >In the meantime will I be able to convert Sony RAW files to Adobe RAW via converter, and then manipulate in CS4???

    Of course. Or give Bibble 5 a shot (check out the demo first).
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    Uwe,

    Congrats on a stunning web site and some wonderful pictures. You've made me recognise how much I love texture. It explains my obsession with photographing tree bark and lychen on old walls etc! And I'm looking forward to reading more of the hints and tips and lessons on the web site.

    One thing I couldn't find. Your pictures benefit from your elegant framing. I couldn't find the product or technique on your web site. How do you do that exactly - they are very textural!

    Thanks.

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    >One thing I couldn't find. Your pictures benefit from your elegant framing. I couldn't find the product or technique on your web site. How do you do that exactly - they are very textural!

    These are based on custom Photoshop scripts, actions and droptlets. I may write an article about the process.

    I launch the droplets as a lost step from Lightroom Export. Automation is key here.
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    TEBnewyork,

    I was interested in some of your daily pics .... and naturally in particular the ones where you used your NEX! Although I hadn't realised that an Iphone was also on the books for panoramas!

    Have you found that when using the NEX you resort to less manual adjustment and intervention than you do with your other traditional cameras and leave the work to the camera ...... or do you still fiddle!

    Jeff

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    Thanks Uwe, thanks - I noticed you have a real interest in "darkroom" and project flow. Unluckilly photoshop is not justifiable for me - only elements. Still. I'll just have to imagine them.

    Thanks for the reply.

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    Smile Re: Fun with the NEX cameras....

    Here are some more snapshots from my NEX-5.
    This time everything was shot with the 16mm except for the flys+brocken snail (30mm Macro + Adapter).

    Please dont be too hard about the (not really nice) flash pictures.
    The storm went away really fast so I had to hurry.
    I woke up at 3.50 in the night and had to shut my windows pretty fast because of the storm + rain.
    With my sleepy head I took the shots from a tripod with 10 seconds + f10 and 200 iso.
    I cropped the unlightend sky on both pics.
    This was my first time shooting (and catching) flashes.
    In the past I had no camera with me or I couldnt see the sky when a thunderstorm approached...
    Last edited by fotoingo; 21st October 2010 at 11:52.

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    Ingo,

    Great shots! I like the broken snail, and the flashes aren't so bad in my (amateurish) eyes. How well does the autofocus work in macros? I just tried the E-PL1 and even in the macro mode I wasn't able to get the autofocus right with the kit lens.

    The NEX-5 unfortunately was out of battery. Hope to get my hands on as early as possible.

    Hannes

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    Re: Fun with the NEX cameras....

    Fotoingo - I can't believe in the middle of the night you were able to have a tripod ready to shoot these. I like them!

    I also like the one with your shadow. It would make a nice avatar.

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    All Spain celebrating together

    even flies

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    Re: Fun with the NEX cameras....

    Quote Originally Posted by Poki View Post
    Ingo,
    Great shots! I like the broken snail, and the flashes aren't so bad in my (amateurish) eyes. How well does the autofocus work in macros? I just tried the E-PL1 and even in the macro mode I wasn't able to get the autofocus right with the kit lens.
    Hannes
    Thank you ! With the 30mm Macro the AF does not work right now. This will be available through a software update for the camera + the Sony Alpha Lenses adapter.
    The Macro function with the 18-55mm Zoomlens works pretty good.

    Quote Originally Posted by TEBnewyork View Post
    Fotoingo - I can't believe in the middle of the night you were able to have a tripod ready to shoot these. I like them!

    I also like the one with your shadow. It would make a nice avatar.
    Haha, thank you too. I grabbed the tripod and set the camera up pretty quickly. No time for trying to get any kind of real compositon in the picture.
    Just tried to get as much of the sky in the frame as i could (through my window)

    I like that I finally catched some of the flashes but I hate that the pictures are real snapshots (you cannot see the street, all buildings are "snapped" in half and so on ...)

    Next time I hopefully have a minute more time and can enjoy the pics a bit more the morning after the storm.


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    Re: Fun with the NEX cameras....

    Terry, I see where my adapter cleared customs in SF on the 11th but after that the USPS tracking seems to have lost its location. Do you know where yours is yet? I also see the Sony is shipping the 16mm. If they come out with the dual lens kit I will ask for a rebate or to exchange the 16mm and single lens kit for the dual lens kit to save the $150. It will be interesting to see what Sony does. Funny, I was about to cancel the order but now I can't.
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    Re: Fun with the NEX cameras....

    Time for some fun pictures shot at the W in Westwood and on Rodeo Drive in Beverly Hills
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    A Last couple of low light ISO 1600 shots.
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    Anyone found a way to turn off the Shooting Tips button? I'd rather have that button do something else ...

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    Re: Fun with the NEX cameras....

    Quote Originally Posted by barjohn View Post
    Terry, I see where my adapter cleared customs in SF on the 11th but after that the USPS tracking seems to have lost its location. Do you know where yours is yet? I also see the Sony is shipping the 16mm. If they come out with the dual lens kit I will ask for a rebate or to exchange the 16mm and single lens kit for the dual lens kit to save the $150. It will be interesting to see what Sony does. Funny, I was about to cancel the order but now I can't.
    Not sure where you got any tracking info. I went back to my ebay info and don't see any tracking info.

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    Re: Fun with the NEX cameras....

    Quote Originally Posted by Masterbrew View Post
    Anyone found a way to turn off the Shooting Tips button? I'd rather have that button do something else ...
    I am using Aperture Prioirty or the Panos most of the time.

    Aperture Priority
    I turned off one set of shooting tips and now I have focus magnification as the bottom button (I keep focus set to DMF). The Help Guide Display is what I turned off. This option is in the setup menu towards the bottom.

    Pano
    I still have instructions but they are reasonably useful in this mode.

    I haven't used Auto mode at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Masterbrew View Post
    Anyone found a way to turn off the Shooting Tips button? I'd rather have that button do something else ...
    Right now there is no way to assign something else to this button. Maybe a future firmware update will do the trick.

    If you use the Sony Alpha Lens Adapter this button changes to "manuell fokus help"
    (and brings the fokus magnification on screen. Once there you can press it again to double the magnification.)

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    Re: Fun with the NEX cameras....

    There is a funny looking number like EE238879798NN in your eBay receipt. It is an international USPS tracking number. Bring up the USPS web site and paste it into the track package and it will bring up the tracking info. Unfortunately, the USPS is not up to FedEx standards on tracking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by barjohn View Post
    There is a funny looking number like EE238879798NN in your eBay receipt. It is an international USPS tracking number. Bring up the USPS web site and paste it into the track package and it will bring up the tracking info. Unfortunately, the USPS is not up to FedEx standards on tracking.
    Sorry John I don't see that on my info from ebay. This is all I see

    "Thanks for the purchase. Your item(s) has just been shipped via standard
    air parcel mail"

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    "Standard" will not give any tracking.

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    Re: Fun with the NEX cameras....

    I ordered express shipping. Here is the message I received:


    Hi barjohn2,


    Thanks for the purchase. Your item(s) has just been shipped via express
    mail.

    Please allow roughly 1 week for the delivery.

    EE4303303XXCN


    best,

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    Pointer Request!!

    I cannot see any mode that allows steadyshot to be activated ...... it's always greyed out in "setup".

    Can anyone tell me under what modes this will work please?

    Thanks,

    Jeff

    EDITED TO ADD: Think I've answered this for myself ..... doesn't work with pancake lens?

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    >Think I've answered this for myself ..... doesn't work with pancake lens?

    Yes, works only with stabilized lenses. Makes sense :-)
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    Re: Fun with the NEX cameras....

    just got my NEX 3 yesterday afternoon and have only tested it briefly with a zuiko pen f 42mm f/1.2. looks like it'll be pretty good for manual focus lenses. the only thing it's missing is a quick way to move the manual focus zoom box, one touch iso assignment, and maybe auto iso in manual mode (all things that could be addressed with a firmware upgrade). haven't tried out the pancake yet, because i've been more interested in the performance with the zuiko.
    here are some samples (jpegs from camera with a little tweaking of curves and sharpening plus maybe a little vignetting added), nothing special just test shots:







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    Nice shots, sebboh. What Pen adapter are you using? I assume the Pen 42mm covers the sensor no problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by monza View Post
    Nice shots, sebboh. What Pen adapter are you using? I assume the Pen 42mm covers the sensor no problem.
    a pic of the nex-3 and lens would be nice as well.

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    no problem covering the sensor, there is a bit of vignetting at f/1.2 but only on one side - i don't have the lens centered because i don't have an adapter. i am using an RJ pen f to µ4/3 adapter and electrical tape (see pic). the NEX's exposed mount makes the lens easy to attach with tape while i wait for RJ's promised pen f to NEX adapter. since the µ4/3 mount is narrower than the NEX's i have to mount the lens slightly off center for stability. this produces a bit of wide opening vignetting on one side that is not noticeable to me in shooting when stopped down to f/2. even a f/1.2 it is no worse than a typical f/1.4 lens on full frame.

    here's a quick pic of my ghetto adapter:

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    Quote Originally Posted by sebboh View Post
    looks like it'll be pretty good for manual focus lenses. the only thing it's missing is a quick way to move the manual focus zoom box, one touch iso assignment, and maybe auto iso in manual mode (all things that could be addressed with a firmware upgrade).
    You can move the focus point - click left or right on the scroll when and you will see the focus point in the thumbnail at bottom left start to move around.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sebboh View Post
    no problem covering the sensor, there is a bit of vignetting at f/1.2 but only on one side
    The 42/1.2 does show noticeable light fall off on APS-C sensor (from NX10) even when centered. No such worries with the 40/1.4.

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    sweet, didn't notice that. would be nice if you could move it before zooming for framing or if the thumbnail showed the image framing, but this should work pretty well.

    thanks

    Quote Originally Posted by TEBnewyork View Post
    You can move the focus point - click left or right on the scroll when and you will see the focus point in the thumbnail at bottom left start to move around.

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    Re: Fun with the NEX cameras....

    I've never read the Sony forum until now so you know that these little cameras are attracting attention. Though I really don't want to add another system, I still am interested in seeing what's out there and how just a bit larger sensor (and perhaps other technical things) can affect images. The implementation that Sony chose for this little camera is interesting also. I really didn't think I wanted anything smaller than my GF1 and in truth shoot more with the G1, but I've decided that its important to just allow thinking outside the box and be open to it. Who knows where we are going in the future, even the near future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Diane B View Post
    I've never read the Sony forum until now so you know that these little cameras are attracting attention. Though I really don't want to add another system, I still am interested in seeing what's out there and how just a bit larger sensor (and perhaps other technical things) can affect images. The implementation that Sony chose for this little camera is interesting also. I really didn't think I wanted anything smaller than my GF1 and in truth shoot more with the G1, but I've decided that its important to just allow thinking outside the box and be open to it. Who knows where we are going in the future, even the near future.
    Thinking outside the box seems key for anyone to make progress!

    A good starting point (for me) was to decide whether the camera is a means to an end or an end in itself.

    Good luck with your deliberations.

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    Congratulations to Spain, for winning the World Cup.

    Here's how the Dutch celebrated second place, today in Amsterdam.

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    Re: Fun with the NEX cameras....

    My Sony fisheye adapter arrived today. Not really impressed. Center seems OK but it deteriorates pretty noticeably. No need for anyone to rush out and get your hands on this. I would much rather shoot the Panny 7-14.


    This is also an in camera HDR shot at level 3



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    Quote Originally Posted by Masterbrew View Post
    Anyone found a way to turn off the Shooting Tips button? I'd rather have that button do something else ...
    Yes, in focus options, switch to the selectable focus area. Confirm the center focus. Now the shooting tips soft key is replaced by a focus key.

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