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    Re: Fun with the NEX cameras....

    There has already been one firmware update. Sony was very active on the firmware front for the A100 and A700. A lot of people wanted a firmware update for the A900, but there really isn't much wrong with the camera. People just wanted added features.

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    ISO 1600 underexposed (very nice quality):

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    Re: Fun with the NEX cameras....

    One reason for excitement.

    False color reflected UV capture.



    NEX-5, 16/2.8, f/3.5, 0.6s,ISO6400, Baader U 2" filter over the lens (transmission 310-390nm, the rest is cut off).

    Same scene in visible light.



    NEX-5, 16/2.8, f/5.6, 1/4000s,ISO6400, Rodenstock UV-IR cut filter over the lens

    The most interesting/exciting thing about the set-up is (in addition to the UV response of the stock NEX sensor) is the wide angle appearing to be very useful for reflected UV capture. This was a specific reason for me to get the 16/2.8 (5 elements 5 groups) lens. Sony did not disappoint me at all.
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    Re: Fun with the NEX cameras....

    Vivek,

    I'm not sure what you are trying to do with UV. Could you explain more and enlighten me? What should I be seeing?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    Well, I (part) traded in the NX10 kit for a NEX-5 kit (16/2.8) in boring black.

    No body cap or lens cap came with it.
    Realized when I got the M lens adapter. very annoying.
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    Apparently rear lens and body caps are available in Japan. If we can find someone in Japan willing to ship a batch we could all be happy. Any ideas?

    My alpha adapter came with a rear cap

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    One bit of good news is that with the m adapter it should be easy to find a body cap on ebay with the adapter mounted.
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    Re: Fun with the NEX cameras....

    Quote Originally Posted by barjohn View Post
    One bit of good news is that with the m adapter it should be easy to find a body cap on ebay with the adapter mounted.
    Good point....I think I've got at least one hanging around. Now if the adapters would just get here

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    Re: Fun with the NEX cameras....

    Quote Originally Posted by barjohn View Post
    Vivek,

    I'm not sure what you are trying to do with UV. Could you explain more and enlighten me? What should I be seeing?
    I shoot in UV ( as well as in IR).

    See: http://www.flickr.com/photos/vivek-i...51220643/show/

    A majority of these were taken with Nikon cams (Sony CCD). The NEX sensor reminds me of the UV response of a Nikon D70.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ustein View Post
    Realized when I got the M lens adapter. very annoying.
    As I pointed out post#377 (Terry, this is a fast growing thread!), some old caps may fit the NEX lenses. The body cap is more of a problem.

    But, as John points out, you may need to use an M body cap and the adapter until these rare commodities surface.

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    Re: Fun with the NEX cameras....

    I updated the FW. The very reason for this post is, in contrast to Samsung NX10, for which accessing the FW was an impossible task, Sony' is easy and fast (as it should be).

    I have no idea if the update would do anything good (no plans for a Bravia TV purchase. ).

    My preliminary conclusion on the camera use is:

    1. Of limited use for street photography.

    2. Panorama shots need still subjects (I was shooting moving trams yesterday. They were moving in the "wrong direction". ).

    The little NEX' UV response and the ability to shoot in near UV with a wide lens is just more than I could have asked for.

    Sony impress!

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    Re: Fun with the NEX cameras....

    I've been tracking this thread and admiring the photos. However, and I mean no offense, I have been around here long enough to have seen some of you embrace other new cameras with tremendous enthusiasm only to discover the same cameras in the For Sale thread just a few months later.

    Does this Sony feel more like a "keeper"? Or, is it simply another interesting camera to add to a comprehensive list?

    Best,
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    Re: Fun with the NEX cameras....

    Tim,
    My take....
    I think it is going to depend on a few things. My motivations might be somewhat different than others. I can use all the lenses from my A900 kit on the NEX which means it counts as a travel backup to my A900 in a tiny package.

    So far it is looking the most promising for wide angle rangefinder lenses a place where m4/3 has not been good. You really needed to use longer than 35mm on m4/3 so essentially the equivalent of 70mm which wasn't so practical. I've seen samples that look pretty good (except haven't seen a lot of the corners) with the 28 elmarit. The M adapters are just hitting users hands right now. So the ability to potentially use the wider lenses on a bigger sensor is enticing.

    The sensor is noticeably better than m4/3.

    The availability of native lenses is as expected a few years behind....the m4/3 kit lenses are also optically better.

    The issues with the user interface IMHO are way overblown. Can some things be changed absolutely, is it unsuable? absolutely not. In reality when setting up the camera and it is very straight forward - most people aren't really needing the manual.

    All that being said,
    Sony could come up with a wildcard body for Photokina that could have people scrambling to change bodies...which I guess makes this body less of the ultimate long term keeper.

    And...I am not selling my m4/3 system until I feel like I have a full NEX system for day to day use.....wide angle, long, fast normal have no native solution.

    Will be interesting to get other reactions.
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    Re: Fun with the NEX cameras....

    Quote Originally Posted by TRSmith View Post
    I've been tracking this thread and admiring the photos. However, and I mean no offense, I have been around here long enough to have seen some of you embrace other new cameras with tremendous enthusiasm only to discover the same cameras in the For Sale thread just a few months later.

    Does this Sony feel more like a "keeper"? Or, is it simply another interesting camera to add to a comprehensive list?

    Best,
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    Tim,
    For me, the NEX is just another step in the right direction, but it is not a "keeper". To be a "keeper", it would have to have an integrated EVF and image stabilization built into the body. In the digital age, I doubt there will ever be a "keeper" again. (I have had an M8 since 2006. That is a long run for a digital camera, but I don't expect to have an M8 forever.) Right now the NEX is the closest to having the features that I want in a small camera body. The ability to use my M lenses with a larger sensor is the highest on my priority list.

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    Re: Fun with the NEX cameras....

    Thanks for your replies Terry and Cindy. Sounds a bit like the verdict is still out. And the one line that stands out for me is Cindy's suggestion that in the digital age, there may not ever be anything that can be classified as a "keeper".

    I admit that I find that disturbing. I can't help comparing the evolution of digital cameras to the evolution of personal PCs. For a long time it seemed as if every computer purchase of the latest and fastest model was rendered irrelevant by something even faster and more powerful within a few months. Eventually that trend seemed to stabilize and now the options being offered are less about speed and more about form factor. Which allows me to feel pretty comfortable with my existing work station, feeling no pressure to change. I keep wondering (hoping?) if/when digital cameras will reach a similar stage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TRSmith View Post
    ... I keep wondering (hoping?) if/when digital cameras will reach a similar stage.
    I think we are moving in that direction. Some people are still happy with 5D five years later, M8 four years later, D700 three years later. These cameras all still deliver.
    Now what I'm wanting is a change in form. I want smaller, but not at the expense of file quality. I want to be able to use my quality lenses on a small form and have an interface that works for me. Anymore, I don't think in terms of MP as much as form and function.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cindy Flood View Post
    I don't think in terms of MP as much as form and function.
    Cindy, I agree that a large sensor with 14 or 18mp should always deliver the goods. So the competition will be form and function. And glass!

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    Re: Fun with the NEX cameras....

    I'm with Cindy, too. There needs to be a dramatic leap in sensor tech before I feel like replacing my A900. It's darn near perfect for me as a DSLR. Now I want great IQ in a tiny package, and the NEX seems to be the closest yet.

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    >And glass!

    This is the main issue with the NEX cameras right now. No top zoom with AF available for this cameras right now. The sensor it pretty good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by douglasf13 View Post
    I'm with Cindy, too. There needs to be a dramatic leap in sensor tech before I feel like replacing my A900. It's darn near perfect for me as a DSLR. Now I want great IQ in a tiny package, and the NEX seems to be the closest yet.
    This one's for you Douglas...
    Also extension tubes arrived yesterday and work well. Very happy with this lens on NEX and extension for macro solution.

    Sony 50mm f1.4 with A to E mount adapter.... just about the same size as the 18-55 lit lens.


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    Re: Fun with the NEX cameras....

    Tim,

    My take closely mirrors Terry's and Cindy's. Before I elaborate I want to comment on your computer statement. While form and function are very important to me (hence my choice of iMacs for my wife and I), computers will only be fast enough when I don't have to spend anytime waiting on them. No beach balls, no hour glasses, no moving bar, etc. What I want happens instantly and they are waiting for me to make my next move. Since I work with computers all day almost every day those seconds add up to a lot of frustration. Therefore, for me, computers aren't there yet!

    The NEX is the closest thing I have found in a small body mirror-less camera to what I am looking for. IT's IQ is very high as is its DR (sensor, not lenses). Could they be better? Yes, but I could probably live with this level). Physical size is about as small as possible if you plan to use legacy lenses at all and even native lenses are limited in how small they can get given this sensor size, on the other hand, when you go back and look at some of the small 35 mm film cameras they managed to design and make small lenses that covered a full frame. (not counting the 1/2 frame cameras). The holy grail would be an optical view finder that matched the FL and included a focus confirmation indication. Short of that a really high quality EVF but the body would need to be larger for both optical and EVF unless Sony eliminated the LCD completely which would be a novel approach. I like the clean design and as I use the camera more I find I don't miss most of the buttons. Ergonomic changes I would make would include adding one more button to the lower bottom right and moving the playback button down to where the movie button is and moving the movie button up in front of the power switch, sort of two shutter buttons, one for movie and one for still. When no flash is attached, pushing the dial rocker button to the right would bring up ISO. The new bottom button would be user programable and in at least one implementation could be used to format the card (format is too buried) with another choice being to select white balance. I would also add two lugs to the lightest side of the camera so one option would be to carry the camera in portrait orientation. For the normal high quality pancake lens (when it comes) I would add a zippered leather case like the Leica CL's. It provides protection when being carried around, slides up the strap or snaps off for shooting and adds no weight to the camera. Then a small belt pouch could be used to carry the additional lenses. If Sony manages to build and offer a small very high resolution EVF that optically appears larger to the eye, that would definitely move toward making this a longer term keeper. I suspect the electronics are there to support one. While one could always want faster performance this camera is fast enough that it would be very low on my priority list. Built in IS, on the other hand would be high on my list as it allows for smaller lenses and improves the usability of legacy lenses. I know this is a long winded answer but I think it answers your question.
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    Re: Fun with the NEX cameras....

    Quote Originally Posted by TRSmith View Post
    I've been tracking this thread and admiring the photos. However, and I mean no offense, I have been around here long enough to have seen some of you embrace other new cameras with tremendous enthusiasm only to discover the same cameras in the For Sale thread just a few months later.

    Does this Sony feel more like a "keeper"? Or, is it simply another interesting camera to add to a comprehensive list?

    Best,
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    This is a keeper for me (I rarely sell a camera as all get "used" up. The NX10 was a true exception.). As I keep saying (sarcasm aside) Sony did not disappoint me.

    Fabulous UV response of even the stock camera and yes, I plan to convert it with a clear filter! That and the 16/2.8's UV transmission makes it very worthwhile for me.

    There are "normal" focal length lenses for near UV and there are telephoto/macro lenses (an UV-Nikkor 105/4.5, for example). There no lenses that are UV capable in the wide area for any format. Am I smiling? I am ecstatic! The lens alone is worth the bother for me.

    Is this a "regular" camera? I don't even consider the NEX as a "camera" (no offense to anyone). It is fabulous sensor in a tiny package for specialist use.

    The Panasonic G1 is a real camera.

    Not the NEX. At least as it is delivered, with no body caps or rear lens caps. The absent EVF does not help either.

    The 16/2.8 with an EVF would have been revolutionary. Sony clearly missed the boat.

    The only reason I went for it was because Panasonic screwed up the G2 with no real improvements over the fantastic G1.

    I am glad that I did.

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    Re: Fun with the NEX cameras....

    The puny screw in flash does a fabulous job as a fill flash!

    With the 16/2.8 or c-mount manual focus lenses, exposures (within its range) are spot on!

    Sony should sell bigger versions of this flash!

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    Re: Fun with the NEX cameras....

    On another matter, RJ ('jinfinaces" on eBay) informs me that his NEX to pen F adapter is ready!

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    Not a single shop in the Netherlands has a spare Sony battery available!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    On another matter, RJ ('jinfinaces" on eBay) informs me that his NEX to pen F adapter is ready!
    He is shipping Pen-F to me on Tuesday! I can't wait. M should arrive any day...I did not ask for expedited service on it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    Not a single shop in the Netherlands has a spare Sony battery available!
    Robert (Monza) sold me one last week. You could get one from him, if you don't mind shipping it over the big pond.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TEBnewyork View Post
    This one's for you Douglas...
    Also extension tubes arrived yesterday and work well. Very happy with this lens on NEX and extension for macro solution.

    Sony 50mm f1.4 with A to E mount adapter.... just about the same size as the 18-55 lit lens.

    Looks great, thanks! That thing really is tiny! I've come to a pretty outrageous decision. Once I make sure for certain that NEX corner performance is good with a 35mm M lens, I'm going to sell my ZA 24-70 and buy the NEX-5. I haven't used that (or any) zoom in over a year, so I think it is warranted. My main A900 setup is the 20mm 2.8, 50mm 1.4 and 85 1.4, with the occasional Zeiss Jena 135mm 3.5. With NEX, I can get close to that with the 16 2.8, a fast 35mm M lens, the 50 1.4, and the occasional 85 1.4. Outside of loosing AF, that should be a great and comparable sister kit to my A900. I nearly sold everything I own for an M9 kit six months ago, and I think having the dual A900/Nex-5 setup makes more sense for me.

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    Good news for NEX video on Macs:

    If you use ClipWrap you can easily and fast convert the MTS files to .MOV and play with Quicktime.

    The major aliasing of course remains.
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    Sony NEX 5 with 16mm, set to 7fps, shot from the hip, portrait mode, cropped. On the way home from the Boston Sony Style store where I just picked up the 16mm. I think I'm going to like it.
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    I don't know if you did much PP but this is visibly sharper than images we get from the 18-55 mm.
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    Not sure your question relates to my considerably cropped pic.
    No big tweaking at all. JPEG shot. Camera setting was sharpness +2. In "iphoto effects" converted to B&W, enhance colors +1. The pancake seems quite a bit sharper than the kit zoom, at least in center.
    Not sure there are many cameras which one can hold into peoples face without being noticed and get a burst of 5-8 shots, af ones notably, in the blink of an eye

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cindy Flood View Post
    I think we are moving in that direction. Some people are still happy with 5D five years later, M8 four years later, D700 three years later. These cameras all still deliver.
    Now what I'm wanting is a change in form. I want smaller, but not at the expense of file quality. I want to be able to use my quality lenses on a small form and have an interface that works for me. Anymore, I don't think in terms of MP as much as form and function.
    I'm one of those that's still happy with the 5D When I have to replace my shutter I'll reconsider but for now, I still am happy with that body after, as you say, almost 5 years. That with my m4/3rds gear keeps me happy but I'm certainly interested in seeing what happens with the NEX and others similar.

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    Re: Fun with the NEX cameras....

    A single snap using the 16/2.8 (ISO200, f/5, 1/500s).



    I forgot what an UV/IR cut (dichroic) filter does with a wide angle lens and it is impossible to see it on the LCD (unless one is in "properly lit" indoors).

    That image in colors (real and induced).


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    Re: Fun with the NEX cameras....

    Quote Originally Posted by Cindy Flood View Post
    He is shipping Pen-F to me on Tuesday! I can't wait. M should arrive any day...I did not ask for expedited service on it.
    I noticed (in addition to his fantastic service), the quality has taken a marked turn upwards! the c-mount adapter is extremely well made. I like the looks of his Nikon F adapter, etc.



    Robert (Monza) sold me one last week. You could get one from him, if you don't mind shipping it over the big pond.
    Thanks, Cindy. I know Robert would but he can not perform magic. We leave tuesday for vacation. I am unsure how fast and safe it will be to receive it in India.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    Thanks, Cindy. I know Robert would but he can not perform magic. We leave tuesday for vacation. I am unsure how fast and safe it will be to receive it in India.
    Looks like it is time to buy your backup kit....

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    Re: Fun with the NEX cameras....

    Two G1s are going. One for visible and the other for IR. Both are true, tested and reliable.

    Besides that I have 7 batteries for them.

    (A real shame that Pana have not made the rumored 14/2.5. Especially after starting to use the Sony 16/2.8, I sorely miss a wide on the G1. It is back to the Oly-D17/2.8 plus Ricoh 0.75X converter which does a decent job for me.).

    If I manage to complete the pen F adapter (and test it), the NEX-5 and a few lenses would go as a special purpose APS-C digital back.

    BTW, earlier today (less than 100 actuations!), my NEX-5 froze while reviewing a snap. Even turning the camera off would not unfreeze it.

    I took the battery out and inserted it back again to bring it back to life.
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    Re: Fun with the NEX cameras....

    None of the wide converters I have work on the 16/2.8. Most (0.75X to 0.5X) project circular frames besides the heavy drop in IQ of the already suspect quality of the 16/2.8

    Oddly, the 16/2.8 reversed, appears to do a good job as a macro lens with a decent WD.

    Selecting the aperture is easy. Just set it in the camera and dismount the lens with the camera still on.

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    I have been very happy with NEX-5, still waiting for the E-A adapter. The metering gets a bit confused in mixed lighting and tends to underexpose. Anyone else experience this?

    jpg straight from camera, available light tungsten + floroscent with kit lens wide open.



    raw conversion with IDC, WB adjusted and tone curve adjusted.





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    A and E mount Too many lenses.

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    Re: Fun with the NEX cameras....

    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    I noticed (in addition to his fantastic service), the quality has taken a marked turn upwards! the c-mount adapter is extremely well made. I like the looks of his Nikon F adapter, etc.
    could you guys give me a link to rj's pen f adapter? i haven't been able to find it on the bay and he hasn't emailed me about it as he did the earlier ones.

    thanks

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    Re: Fun with the NEX cameras....

    Quote Originally Posted by BackToSlr View Post
    The metering gets a bit confused in mixed lighting and tends to underexpose. Anyone else experience this?

    jpg straight from camera, available light tungsten + floroscent with kit lens wide open.
    That is a backlit subject. As is with any cam, you should have added extra exposure. NEX-5's metering is fine. It does not underexpose when used properly.

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    Re: Fun with the NEX cameras....

    Quote Originally Posted by sebboh View Post
    could you guys give me a link to rj's pen f adapter? i haven't been able to find it on the bay and he hasn't emailed me about it as he did the earlier ones.

    thanks
    Sent you a PM.

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    Re: Fun with the NEX cameras....

    Here is a special treat at f/0.95.

    SOM-Berthiot 25/0.95 as captured.



    after CA correction, distortion correction (both I have not optimized) and cropping.



    All the color smearing that is seen in the OOF areas are not due to the lens' characteristics but that of the sensor/processor. All the RAW files from NEX's are compressed (otherwise they can not record it this fast)- one of the drawbacks of miniaturization.

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    Re: Fun with the NEX cameras....

    Here is that lens mounted on my NEX using RJ c-mount adapter.



    Now, I have epoxied ring 1 on the RJ c-mount adapter. When the Olympus pen F extension ring 2 is screwed into that, I get a NEX to pen F adapter (with infinity focus). This is removable so that the adapter retains full functions as the original c-mount adapter as well.



    Pancake "normal" (Olympus pen F 38/2.8 pancake lens) and Pancake wide (Sony 16/2.8). Foreground left shows the caps for the Olympus pen F lens and its current hood (a 43 ->37mm step ring), on the right is the case for the lens.


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    Re: Fun with the NEX cameras....

    Quote Originally Posted by TEBnewyork View Post
    This one's for you Douglas...
    Also extension tubes arrived yesterday and work well. Very happy with this lens on NEX and extension for macro solution.

    Sony 50mm f1.4 with A to E mount adapter.... just about the same size as the 18-55 lit lens.

    some sample shots with the combo above
    http://sonyalphanex.blogspot.com/201...50mm-lens.html

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    Re: Fun with the NEX cameras....

    FWIW, according to dpreview, there are some differences between the Minolta 50 1.4 RS and the Sony 50 1.4. They tested the Sony to have more center sharpness, whereas the Minolta had less center sharpness, but was more even over the entire frame (IIRC.)

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    Re: Fun with the NEX cameras....

    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    Pancake "normal" (Olympus pen F 38/2.8 pancake lens) and Pancake wide (Sony 16/2.8). Foreground left shows the caps for the Olympus pen F lens and its current hood (a 43 ->37mm step ring), on the right is the case for the lens.


    How is the optical performance of the 38 pancake ?
    Can you upload some pictures (maybe some full res ?) taken with f2,8 , f4 and f 5,6 ?
    Looks nice but the pancake is really rare, isnt it ?

    Im waiting for my Contax G adapter and a set of lenses 28mm, 45mm, 90mm.
    They will arrive in the next days. Im curious about the performance of those "gems" (after reading a lot about them).


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    Quote Originally Posted by TEBnewyork View Post
    Apparently rear lens and body caps are available in Japan. If we can find someone in Japan willing to ship a batch we could all be happy. Any ideas?

    My alpha adapter came with a rear cap
    I'll be stopping in at Yodobashi today while I'm out running errands. I'd be happy to check availability of lens rear and body caps while I'm there.

    Bill

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    Re: Fun with the NEX cameras....

    Quote Originally Posted by fordfanjpn View Post
    I'll be stopping in at Yodobashi today while I'm out running errands. I'd be happy to check availability of lens rear and body caps while I'm there.

    Bill
    Hi Bill - I was actually going to PM you! That would be awesome !!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by TEBnewyork View Post
    Hi Bill - I was actually going to PM you! That would be awesome !!!!!!
    Ok, I'll post here as soon as I get back.

    Bill

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    I would like one of each. PM me on the amount to PayPal you so you aren't out of pocket.
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