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    I have just tested the NEX-5 in a local store and have just to say ... wow! As a user of compacts for years I'm really impressed by the speed and the image quality. Just one thing annoyed me: The camera needed more than 3 seconds to start. Is this normal or was this just an exception?

    Unfortunately they hadn't the double lens kit, so I have to wait again ... Really bad situation. The other thing is the color. Haven't seen the silver one yet, but I think it would look better with the E-mount-lenses, but the black is also nice. Can anyone help me?

    Can't wait. Thanks anyway,
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    Red Admiral on the Cone flower with the kit zoom.

    I should have used manual focus. The AF hit the wrong spot for perfect focus.

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    Re: Fun with the NEX cameras....

    Quote Originally Posted by Poki View Post
    I have just tested the NEX-5 in a local store and have just to say ... wow! As a user of compacts for years I'm really impressed by the speed and the image quality. Just one thing annoyed me: The camera needed more than 3 seconds to start. Is this normal or was this just an exception?

    Unfortunately they hadn't the double lens kit, so I have to wait again ... Really bad situation. The other thing is the color. Haven't seen the silver one yet, but I think it would look better with the E-mount-lenses, but the black is also nice. Can anyone help me?

    Can't wait. Thanks anyway,
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    I don't find turn-on speed a problem. I just turn it on once. Then I let it go to sleep and just a tap of the shutter button wakes it up.
    Terry has posted camera porn photos of both the silver and black bodies in this thread.

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    I've seen them, but it would really help to see both side by side using the kit lenses.

    The turn-on-time just annoyed me because I thought it would be around 1.5 seconds.

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    Mine turn on and off pretty instantly. Although on occasion I've seen it be slow. (I think I read somewhere that it was dependent on what mode you were in on pawed down.) I know this was addresses in the firmware update that I haven't done yet. In practice it isn't something that has been a problem.

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    I went out for a bit after work. Fog was coming in which can make a mess of pictures around the bay. Nothing remotely special but this should give an idea of this lens with camera/sensor. This first set is with the 50mm pre-asph lux. All jpegs....I really want to have RAW support.













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    Terry, I can't wait for my M adapter to arrive. The 35 cron ASPH is a lens that I love, and it's small size and FL should really suit the NEX. The 50 looks great!

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    Re: Fun with the NEX cameras....

    Quote Originally Posted by tom in mpls View Post
    Terry, I can't wait for my M adapter to arrive. The 35 cron ASPH is a lens that I love, and it's small size and FL should really suit the NEX. The 50 looks great!
    Next up is my 35mm color skopar. more work to do but I don't think it is good on the NEX.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TEBnewyork View Post
    Next up is my 35mm color skopar. more work to do but I don't think it is good on the NEX.
    Why? Ergonomics? BTW, I was amazed at how HUGE the M9 felt after working with the NEX.

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    Next up the 35 color skopar first up is an untouched jpeg and then a center crop and finally a crop from the edge. So, with this lens I seem to be getting smearing.






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    Quote Originally Posted by TEBnewyork View Post
    Next up the 35 color skopar first up is an untouched jpeg and then a center crop and finally a crop from the edge. So, with this lens I seem to be getting smearing.
    Edge looks bad. Aperture and shutter speeds?

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    Aperture was probably between f8 and f11. Shutter 1/500. ISO 200

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    I want to see what you get with the 28 mm. By the way, my 40/2 doesn't exhibit that at all.
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    I've been looking at tons of diagrams for different 35mm lenses, and I'm not surprised that the little skopar has issues. The rear element gets really close to the sensor and is incredibly curved. Honestly, while maybe not as extreme as the skopar, I think a lot of the 35mm lenses will have issues at infinity, but we'll have to wait for more tests. From the looks of the designs, I have a feeling that the 35 1.4 Nokton may perform best at the edges...but I'm no expert on this. Contrary to popular belief, a lot of the wider Leica lenses are retrofocus, and I'm anxious to see how they perform.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Poki View Post
    I have just tested the NEX-5 in a local store and have just to say ... wow! As a user of compacts for years I'm really impressed by the speed and the image quality. Just one thing annoyed me: The camera needed more than 3 seconds to start. Is this normal or was this just an exception?
    Hannes
    DCResource reviewer had the same problem (4 sec start-up time) until he updated the firmware to 02 which brought down the startup time to 1.2 seconds. You can download the latest firmware from

    http://support.sony-europe.com/dime/DSLR/DSLR.aspx

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    Re: Fun with the NEX cameras....

    Quote Originally Posted by douglasf13 View Post
    I've been looking at tons of diagrams for different 35mm lenses, and I'm not surprised that the little skopar has issues. The rear element gets really close to the sensor and is incredibly curved. Honestly, while maybe not as extreme as the skopar, I think a lot of the 35mm lenses will have issues at infinity, but we'll have to wait for more tests. From the looks of the designs, I have a feeling that the 35 1.4 Nokton may perform best at the edges...but I'm no expert on this. Contrary to popular belief, a lot of the wider Leica lenses are retrofocus, and I'm anxious to see how they perform.
    Hopefully the Contax G 35 that I bought will be better. No adapter yet.

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    The 35/2 Contax G is a Planar design, rear element does not extend at all. It does not have edge problems on m4/3 so I'm hopeful for NEX. There are some images posted elsewhere in the forum with this lens but no mention of edge issues.

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    Hey !
    The Edges of the Contax G 28mm on the NEX are no good too.

    I did a comparison with the 18-55 Sony Kit Lens and the Contax G Lenses I own (28mm, 45mm, 90mm).
    Nothing good looking, just a wall and 4 Pics per Focal length.
    First one with aperture wide open (e.g. f 2 or f2,8 ) and second one with f5,6.

    I uploaded the original files here :

    http://www.daten-transport.de/?id=2pyKMKfApsUg

    Those are jpg compressed 10% and the whole zipfile is 75 MB.

    The 45mm and the 90 mm are really great (no distortion and sharp wide open + sharp edges)

    I hope the 35mm will be better than the 28mm.

    Enjoy.

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    On the 40/2 the rear element moves closest to the film plane at infinity but it never protrudes beyond the back of the bayonet. In fact it doesn't come close to the back of the bayonet.
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    I'm more concerned about the wide lenses for this cropped sensor. Zeiss has a G and ZM option, both at 2.8. As I find focusing the G with the narrow ring on the adapter is less than ideal, perhaps the ZM will be better. I have the ZM; it has a wider focus ring and is much easier to turn than the G adapter. However my M adapter isn't here yet.

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    Yeah, Terry, as monza said, the Contax G 35 should be fine. I plan on getting the NEX-5 in a couple of weeks, and my search for a standard lens will probably be between the Contax 35, Nokton 35 1.4 (the 1.2 should be good also, but it's too big for me,) the Nokton 40 1.4, the Pen F 40mm, and barjohn's Leica/Minolta 40 f2. I'm also interested in the pre-asph summicron, but, after looking at its design, I'm not keeping my hopes up. At this point, the 35 Nokton will be what I try initially, unless someone tests it before I do, and it has issues.

    Tom, I'm not particularly thrilled with the idea of focusing with the G, either. I use a standard lens 90% of the time, so I want it to be smooth. As for ZM, you'll be in better shape with Distagons, rather than Biogons.
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    Re: Fun with the NEX cameras....

    Douglas -
    As for 50's on the NEX while my 50 lux is smaller than the adapted Sony 50 f1.4, I feel like I always hit the min focus distance on my rangefinder lenses. I also have the last pre-asph version that focuses to .7 meters. I haven't played with an extension tube and that lens.

    I do feel like my Sony 50 was a very good purchase. Nice lens! To me while not as small it just feels good on the NEX and the aperture is controlled on camera and is visible on the screen which is easy to see when focussing.
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    Cool, good to know, Terry. That Sony 50 and an aps-c sensor is a wonderful match. I, too, plan on using my Sony 50 for tele on NEX. For me, the big issue is a ~50mm equivalent. That seems to be the breaking point with some lens lines on NEX, and that's by far my most used focal length.

    Ultimately, for when I need a super small kit, I'll probably be using the NEX 16mm (until someone finds a good M wide that works,) the Nokton 35 1.4, and then maybe a 50mm 1.5 ZM Sonnar.

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    Re: Fun with the NEX cameras....

    Here is an image shot with the 18-55 at 55mm just for fun.

    V/r John

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    Experimenting with NEX in camera HDRs:

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    Very nice look Uwe.

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    John, please don't take this personally but this is the first NEX picture that rubs me the wrong way. It looks like a 100% crop or a bad digital zoom with a lot of fringing and bad compression. It looks REALLY nasty. From all the other NEX samples Ive seen I`m sure some low end camera setting must have been selected by mistake. Gain, please don't take this personally. Im not commenting on framing/composition, Im commenting on IQ.

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    Quote Originally Posted by douglasf13 View Post
    Tom, I'm not particularly thrilled with the idea of focusing with the G, either. I use a standard lens 90% of the time, so I want it to be smooth. As for ZM, you'll be in better shape with Distagons, rather than Biogons.
    Less color shifting?

    Hmm, is there any good choice from 16-21mm? (Other than the Sony 16).

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    Re: Fun with the NEX cameras....

    Quote Originally Posted by TEBnewyork View Post
    I do feel like my Sony 50 was a very good purchase. Nice lens! To me while not as small it just feels good on the NEX and the aperture is controlled on camera and is visible on the screen which is easy to see when focussing.
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    Re: Fun with the NEX cameras....

    Quote Originally Posted by tom in mpls View Post
    Less color shifting?

    Hmm, is there any good choice from 16-21mm? (Other than the Sony 16).
    It could be color shifting, or it could be corner smearing..or it could be both! We just won't know until we see test shots at infinity. Someone reported that the CV 12/5.6 II doesn't have the issues, although it does severely vignette wide open. I'm very curious about the ZM 18mm Distagon.

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    Re: Fun with the NEX cameras....

    Quote Originally Posted by ustein View Post
    Experimenting with NEX in camera HDRs:

    Uwe . . that's wonderful, but that, surely, is because you are a star, not the camera!

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    Quote Originally Posted by douglasf13 View Post
    I'm very curious about the ZM 18mm Distagon.
    I keep getting reminded why FF is so good. I want a compact 2.8 24-28mm equivalent lens. Oh, and while you're at it, please make a compact 2.0 35mm equivalent for me. Much obliged.

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    Douglas,
    Have you seen ZM 35/2 shots posted yet which confirm your suspicions of corner smearing?

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    Not yet, Wayne. It's still just a hunch. I certainly hope I'm wrong about it!
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    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post
    Oh Shush . . . you're only saying it to bug me 'cos you know I already have this lens.

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    Re: Fun with the NEX cameras....

    So I had a few more chances to use the M adapter this week, with the 50 Summicron, 35 Summarit, CV 50 1.5, CV 75 2.5, CV 35 2.5 and CV 15 4.5. More test shots with apertures noted are posted below. (Haven't quite mastered the art of downsizing properly yet -- I can tell you these photos look better at full size in Lightroom than what I'm seeing when I upload.)

    So far I am really liking the Summarit and Summicron. The color and rendering are great and the minor infinity-wide-open corner issue on the Summarit that I mentioned in last week's report has not proven to be that big a deal (unlike the 35 Skopar). Still get odd bokeh in about 1/3 of the time. Between the Summicron and Summarit, I prefer the Summarit so far. It's also a very small combo that doesn't attract much attention until you see it close up.

    The CV 50 and 75 have been fine. Great sharpness on the 50 especially, with the caveats mentioned last week. But I can't say I like the color on the Voigtlanders as much as the Summarit or Summicron. I'm pretty sure it can be fixed once we get RAW profiles for Lightroom, but for now I like the look of the others better. Also I get odd bokeh more often with the Nokton. I've given up on the CV 35 and 15.

    I've played around a bit with RAW in Bibble. Hardly an expert with that program, but I can tell the RAWs are going to be great.

    Generally, I'd say the NEX is better than I expected. The only real problem with the interface is burying the ISO. The battery does go fast. But all in all, it looks like it's going to get a lot of use. Not a replacement for the A850 for landscape, but for people/travel/around town it's looking good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TEBnewyork View Post
    Next up the 35 color skopar first up is an untouched jpeg and then a center crop and finally a crop from the edge. So, with this lens I seem to be getting smearing.
    Yeah I am definitely getting some smearing with the 35 Skopar too, not as bad as on m43 but enough that I've given up on it. Those 50 Summilux shots are looking great, though. Any sense of how it does wide open at infinity? (Not that you'd use it that way that often.)

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    Re: Fun with the NEX cameras....

    Quote Originally Posted by MPK2010 View Post
    Yeah I am definitely getting some smearing with the 35 Skopar too, not as bad as on m43 but enough that I've given up on it. Those 50 Summilux shots are looking great, though. Any sense of how it does wide open at infinity? (Not that you'd use it that way that often.)
    I couldn't test it because it was too bright out and I would have needed an ND filter to not max out the fastest shutter speed.

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    Re: Fun with the NEX cameras....

    Quote Originally Posted by TEBnewyork View Post
    I couldn't test it because it was too bright out and I would have needed an ND filter to not max out the fastest shutter speed.
    Oh, right. Looking at your pictures of the camera I was struck by the relatively small size of the Summilux -- not much bigger than the Summicron. Encouraging to see good results.

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    Based on in camera HDRs:



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    Re: Fun with the NEX cameras....

    Uwe - both HDRs are really nice and the blend HDR is really good. I can't wait to work on an HDR workflow.

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    Wow! Uwestein, those are very nice! Excellent subjects.

    Thanks for posting. I need to try this HDR.

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    Re: Fun with the NEX cameras....

    This scene shows very harsh sunlight:



    This is in shade but still from HDR:

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    If you create in-camera HDR you get a JPEG from the middle exposure and also a JPEG from the merged HDR. This used the middle exposure JPEG:

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    Uwe, simply amazing works and I think of you like the Sun instead of star.
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    Re: Fun with the NEX cameras....

    Quote Originally Posted by MPK2010 View Post
    So I had a few more chances to use the M adapter this week, with the 50 Summicron, 35 Summarit, CV 50 1.5, CV 75 2.5, CV 35 2.5 and CV 15 4.5. More test shots with apertures noted are posted below. (Haven't quite mastered the art of downsizing properly yet -- I can tell you these photos look better at full size in Lightroom than what I'm seeing when I upload.)

    So far I am really liking the Summarit and Summicron. The color and rendering are great and the minor infinity-wide-open corner issue on the Summarit that I mentioned in last week's report has not proven to be that big a deal (unlike the 35 Skopar). Still get odd bokeh in about 1/3 of the time. Between the Summicron and Summarit, I prefer the Summarit so far. It's also a very small combo that doesn't attract much attention until you see it close up.
    Oh dear, another nail in the coffin of my resistance. I have that nice little 35 summarit . . . I can see it making a splendid, tiny combination on the NEX. On NO ACCOUNT show a picture of the camera with that lens


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    Re: Fun with the NEX cameras....

    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post
    Oh dear, another nail in the coffin of my resistance. I have that nice little 35 summarit . . . I can see it making a splendid, tiny combination on the NEX. On NO ACCOUNT show a picture of the camera with that lens
    Sure, here you go:

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    Re: Fun with the NEX cameras....

    Whoops! You said don't show a picture.

    Well, if it helps, the lens is not always brilliant wide open on this camera.

    http://forum.getdpi.com/forum/showpo...1&postcount=44

    At 2.5 or so I like the Summicron better for people pictures. But you didn't mention having any other M lenses, so I'm sure that wouldn't be tempting in the least!

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    Re: Fun with the NEX cameras....

    Jono -
    What's not to love?




    MPK2010 - Oh he has plenty of lenses

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