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    Re: Fun with the A7/7R

    He's waiting for it to focus...
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    Re: Fun with the A7/7R

    I will answer with my story.

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    Sony A7R, Olympus pen F 60/1.5, f/1.5, ISO1600, 1/125s, very faint window light
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    Re: Fun with the A7/7R

    With a Sony flash (fill).


    Sony A7R, Olympus pen F 60/1.5, Fill flash. ISO50, 1/60s, f/1.5.
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    Re: Fun with the A7/7R

    I have to check out the shot gun shutter. It does not startle me (like NEX-5) and when the EVF is used, it is manageable.


    Sony A7R, APO Componon 40/2.8, f/2.8, ISO400, 1/15s, very mixed lighting
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    Re: Fun with the A7/7R

    I could not last >30 mins outside though it was only +6 C and not really freezing.

    A couple of snaps. Very poor lighting and very mixed as well.


    Untitled by Vivek Iyer, on Flickr
    Sony A7R, APO Componon 40/2.8, f/2.8, ISO12800, 1/200s


    Untitled by Vivek Iyer, on Flickr
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    Re: Fun with the A7/7R

    It's not fun testing this stuff is it. LOL

    Now you know how much work I put in this stuff.

    So given that I award you the prestigious

    GetDPI Guinea Pig award. Oh no time to celebrate get out there and shoot more bud. Lol
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    Btw your Son is a handsome young lad. Watch those girls
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    Re: Fun with the A7/7R

    Here is my reason (though there is actually >100 lenses that I can mount on the A7R) for going with the pen F 60/1.5 and the APO Componon 40/2.8 (mounted for Leica screw).

    The pen F 60/1.5 looks like it is made for the A7R. Handling is just superb. It covers the frame without hiccups. The 40/2.8 Componon is really great, I have shot with this on film several years ago and I am delighted that I can use it on a FF digital. Almost a pancake.

    So, here is the story behind the delay- I thought I had the LR 5.3RC but did not. My winzip had expired... soo...

    Still, I am not so sure about the RAW converter. It is waay better than the Sony IDC (just spits out junk) though. All the images (NR off in the camera) were put through LR and resized in PS with very gentle Nik sharpening.

    The shot gun shutter is very loud and gets everyone's attention. I think I will be better off with the grip. As is, at least one of my fingers is not covering the camera. This is much much better than the NEX' where only 2 or 3 fingers touch the cam.
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    Re: Fun with the A7/7R

    Guy, Man, I really felt threatened!

    Very sorry for the delay.

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    Re: Fun with the A7/7R

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnW View Post
    Congrats and enjoy, Vivek. I'm sure you've got many things you want to try, but when you get to it, please share your impressions of your modified Sony 50 1.8.

    John
    Bad news John.

    The best candidate NEX prime, the 50/1.8 OSS will not do. The good news is that a dud like the 30/3.5 Macro (though it will not cover the FF) focuses very fast. It is really shocking!
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    Re: Fun with the A7/7R

    Looking forward seeing Leica WA lenses on your 7R (21 SEM in particular).

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    Re: Fun with the A7/7R

    >>That Lens Compensation tool, soon to be released for the A7(r) too, looks very promising.

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    This app lets users manually select correction values for lens peripheral shading, chromatic aberration and distortion. By saving the correction values as a lens profile, the same correction can be applied while shooting anytime.
    ・ Peripheral Shading: Corrects brightness and the intensity of reds and blues around the edges of images
    ・ Chromatic Aberration: Corrects red and blue lateral aberration
    ・ Distortion: Corrects barrel and pincushion distortion

    I wonder if your Android device, or the camera can manage a quantity of profiles for different lenses so you're able to switch between them fairly easily?
    Obviously if the lens is not chipped/electronic, they'd have to be changed manually.

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    Re: Fun with the A7/7R

    Quote Originally Posted by MikalWGrass View Post
    cold, cloudy, poor light? seems like a good day to take photos as any day with a new camera is a good day to take photos.
    I did (not many snaps though). I will try to add a few more soon. Just for you, Mikal, I really tried to get some non static shots.

    Quote Originally Posted by Yarrums View Post
    Hi Vivek I know you have a plethora of old glass but if you could see your way to popping on Olympus or Contax that would be nice.

    Sean
    Will do, Sean. OM 50/1.8, 50/1.2, 85/2, 24/2.8, 28/3.5, 50/3.5 Macro. I have to buy some C/Y lenses though.

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    Re: Fun with the A7/7R

    Quote Originally Posted by helged View Post
    Looking forward seeing Leica WA lenses on your 7R (21 SEM in particular).
    I will posts some samples (no SEM21) but the 20/5.6 Russar has huge color shifts but looks sharp. The W-Nikkor-C 2.5cm f/4 also is very sharp but with some color shift. These are extreme examples of "symmetric" lenses with very short back focus.

    The Minolta M-Rokkor 28/2.8 appears to be a huge surprise with no apparent problems.
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    Re: Fun with the A7/7R

    Quote Originally Posted by neelin View Post
    >>That Lens Compensation tool, soon to be released for the A7(r) too, looks very promising.

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    This app lets users manually select correction values for lens peripheral shading, chromatic aberration and distortion. By saving the correction values as a lens profile, the same correction can be applied while shooting anytime.
    ・ Peripheral Shading: Corrects brightness and the intensity of reds and blues around the edges of images
    ・ Chromatic Aberration: Corrects red and blue lateral aberration
    ・ Distortion: Corrects barrel and pincushion distortion

    I wonder if your Android device, or the camera can manage a quantity of profiles for different lenses so you're able to switch between them fairly easily?
    Obviously if the lens is not chipped/electronic, they'd have to be changed manually.
    Unfortunately, this is a jpg only app. Very limited scope but great for direct uploads using WiFi/NFC.

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    Re: Fun with the A7/7R

    Quote Originally Posted by tashley View Post
    He's waiting for it to focus...
    Luckily, Tim, the eye sight is still OK and the EVF makes the focusing very very easy.
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    Re: Fun with the A7/7R

    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    Guy, Man, I really felt threatened!

    Very sorry for the delay.
    You just go out and have some fun. We can all wait. Enjoy
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    Re: Fun with the A7/7R

    Will do, Guy.

    Here is how the pen F 60/1.5 looks like on the 7R. (The perverse combo on the left is a NEX-C3 and a Wild-Heerbrugg Reconar 9.8cm f/1 lens in a focus mount. Though it is a medium format lens, the A7R (or an A7) will have to do.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    Unfortunately, this is a jpg only app. Very limited scope but great for direct uploads using WiFi/NFC.
    Is it? I noticed in the settings on the website that there was an image quality setting between JPEG quality size and the theres a RAW size selection it appeared. I could be wrong and maybe that's faulty information on the site.

    Apparently many stores in USA received large shipments of A7/r.
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    Re: Fun with the A7/7R

    Thanks Vivek for all the great information.
    It's refreshing to be sitting this one out. I'm really interested, but I'm waiting to see about the 24-70 f4 zoom before I decide (I'm relying on you to test this one Tim)

    all the best
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    Vivek, thank you.
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    Re: Fun with the A7/7R

    Grassing up Tim Ashley:
    I know he's got his camera as well - so soon we'll really understand how the A7r works with M lenses!

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    Re: Fun with the A7/7R

    Olympus OM 50/1.2 on a local camera shop man.


    Untitled by Vivek Iyer, on Flickr
    Sony A7R, Olympus OM 50/1.2, f/1.2, ISO400

    Sony are yet to ship the dedicated LCD cover for the A7/7R. I bought a regular protection sheet (smart phone cover) for the A7R.
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    Re: Fun with the A7/7R

    W-Nikkor-C 2.5cm f/4. A nightmarish lens for digital cameras (but almost as small as a pinhole lens ).

    A couple of snaps (wet, cold and raining- the A7R got exposed but Sony claims it is water resistant..).


    _DSC0067as by Vivek Iyer, on Flickr
    Sony A7R, W-Nikkor-C 2.5cm f/4, f/5.6, ISO 1600


    _DSC0070s by Vivek Iyer, on Flickr
    Sony A7R, W-Nikkor-C 2.5cm f/4, f/5.6, ISO 1600

    All I did in LR was a vignetting correction. No corner treatments were done before resizing. With that, it may work well (as is it is fine for me). The corner softening might get better when stopped down. I have to wait for brighter days to check that out.
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    I'll be starting to post hopefully today - only have M glass and trad E mount so will be limited for a while but will try to come up with something!
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    Re: Fun with the A7/7R

    Not sure Sony will lend me one, so it'll have to wait until they ship next year - but I will try them and see…

    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post
    Thanks Vivek for all the great information.
    It's refreshing to be sitting this one out. I'm really interested, but I'm waiting to see about the 24-70 f4 zoom before I decide (I'm relying on you to test this one Tim)

    all the best
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    Re: Fun with the A7/7R

    The locals (Netherlands) here can buy it off Sony.nl with expected delivery of 22Nov-25Nov!

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    Re: Fun with the A7/7R

    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    The locals (Netherlands) here can buy it off Sony.nl with expected delivery of 22Nov-25Nov!
    Just cancelled my preorder at Foka and bought one from Sony.
    Will be delivered tomorrow or friday.
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    Re: Fun with the A7/7R

    Quote Originally Posted by Thorkil View Post
    If anyone had some suggestions for some proper usable wide-prime/s from 14mm and up, or perhaps a wide zoom, for the 7 or 7r, and not too expensive, and perhaps some pictures already, that would be very nice.
    (I guess the M-summicron's 50/2 and 90/2 could do a proper job.)
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    USA is getting an ample stock too! WAHOOO!!! Can't wait for these cameras to hit this side of the pond. As per sonyalpharumors.com (B&H and Amazon are getting a HUGE batch of stock). Hopefully I hope 2 more things to be thankful for come Thanksgiving!

    VIVEK - nice set of images! Thanks for sharing - on exotic glasses no less.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    Sony are yet to ship the dedicated LCD cover for the A7/7R. I bought a regular protection sheet (smart phone cover) for the A7R.
    Ha ! This time I beat you to it, Vivek ! Just received my semi hard screen protector (PCK-LM16) and battery charger (BC-TRW) today !

    All the best.
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    GAS to the rescue and the race to spend.

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    Tis the season of giving. My mail box is big enough. LOL
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    Re: Fun with the A7/7R

    Just uploading some semi-useful a7R files. Not tripod, focus bracketed etc but they tell something.

    Shot with 18mm Super Elmar M and 35 Lux FLE, there are distant landscape series and lens colour cast shots at major apertures.

    In short, 35 FLE has notable casts but you might get away with it at F5.6, which aperture is the first to also show good edge sharpness. F8 is into diffraction territory. Not a bad result but it won't save this lens from being put up for sale soon: its wavy field of focus, also evident in these shots, doesn't suit my style.

    The 18mm SE is not a pretty sight on the new Sony: it has strong and complex colour casts that don't settle down enough as you stop down. It also doesn't get near a tight edge until F8. I didn't like this on the M240 and I actively dislike it on the a7R.

    LR 5.3 RC doesn't do a great job with the files: there are a lot of visible jagged edges (look for zigzag distant sheep!) but at least it opens them. C1 doesn't and Sony's IDC crashes as if DUI.

    More to come tomorrow…


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    Re: Fun with the A7/7R

    The temps dropped to 3 C, raining and windy. From a few hours ago.


    Untitled by Vivek Iyer, on Flickr


    Untitled by Vivek Iyer, on Flickr

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    Re: Fun with the A7/7R

    Quote Originally Posted by Michiel Schierbeek View Post
    Just cancelled my preorder at Foka and bought one from Sony.
    Will be delivered tomorrow or friday.
    Awesome, Michiel!

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    Re: Fun with the A7/7R

    Quote Originally Posted by tashley View Post
    F8 is into diffraction territory.
    Tim, F/8 is not into diffraction territory for the A7R. It is more like f/16 and would be unnoticeable even at f/22 because of Sony massage of the RAW files (they advertise this as a salient feature of the A7R).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    Tim, F/8 is not into diffraction territory for the A7R. It is more like f/16 and would be unnoticeable even at f/22 because of Sony massage of the RAW files (they advertise this as a salient feature of the A7R).
    F/8 is certainly diffraction territory on the D800E, and I'd be surprised if the A7R were any different. It's eminently usable, but F/5.6 definitely shows more micro-contrast on the D800E.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tashley View Post
    Just uploading some semi-useful a7R files...
    …snip..
    Tim Ashley Photography | Sony A7R | _DSC5903-2
    Many thanks for posting these, Tim! Looks like I'll be mounting my Distagon 21 on my A7R

    The image of the fallen leaves looks better than I expected, based on the others you took with the 35 lux. Are the corners considerably better when focused closely, or do the OOF edges in this image hide a lot of smearing?

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    Re: Fun with the A7/7R

    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    Tim, F/8 is not into diffraction territory for the A7R. It is more like f/16 and would be unnoticeable even at f/22 because of Sony massage of the RAW files (they advertise this as a salient feature of the A7R).
    Thanks.
    Does this apply also to non-native lenses?
    Olympus has a similar feature on the E-M1, but only for their lenses.
    With best regards, K-H.

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    Re: Fun with the A7/7R

    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Pfister View Post
    F/8 is certainly diffraction territory on the D800E, and I'd be surprised if the A7R were any different. It's eminently usable, but F/5.6 definitely shows more micro-contrast on the D800E.
    This isn't about the D800E at all, Ron.

    Diffraction limit is all about resolution (tangible) and not about micro contrast or OOF characteristics (nebulous).

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    I suppose the Bionz-X processor has enough punch to do adaptive de-convolution sharpening. But as soon as you're using alt glass without an electronic aperture, such sharpening would not be applied, I guess.

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    I merely looked at the 35 lux files for f5.6 and f8 on centre and observed that the f8 files have lost detail. Whether that it technically micro contrast or whether it is resolution I ould not say, but it is less good. I have no idea about whether the Sony routines apply to non-native glass but I prefer to do my own deconvolution and I am not too keen on it being baked in for me!

    EDIT: I would like to see where in the documentation it is stated that adaptive sharpening is applied to raw files. I also would be fairly certain that it isn't applied to lenses mounted via 'dumb' adaptors. Lastly, however good your deconvolution routines, they can't compensate for diffraction completely.. And given that this is effectively a d800e sensor, give or take a tweak or two, I'd happily bet that diffraction characteristics are very similar, at least on centre. In other words, f4 to 5.6 are peak resolution and by f8 diffraction is noticeable, problematic on many lenses by f11 and frankly, by f22, you might as well not bother...all of which I intend to be comments applying to RAW shooting, since I don't 'do' jpegs.
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    Re: Fun with the A7/7R

    Quote Originally Posted by k-hawinkler View Post
    Thanks.
    Does this apply also to non-native lenses?
    Olympus has a similar feature on the E-M1, but only for their lenses.
    I have posted this before (A7 or 7R thread):

    Sony Global - Sony Global - Digital Imaging - ?7R

    My camera shipped with a default of shoot without lens option.

    Also note that the current FW reads 1.01.
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    Re: Fun with the A7/7R

    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Pfister View Post
    Many thanks for posting these, Tim! Looks like I'll be mounting my Distagon 21 on my A7R

    The image of the fallen leaves looks better than I expected, based on the others you took with the 35 lux. Are the corners considerably better when focused closely, or do the OOF edges in this image hide a lot of smearing?
    Ron, I couldn't say yet, the corner performance needs more careful lining up on a planar subject before I'd have a view...

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    Re: Fun with the A7/7R

    Quote Originally Posted by tashley View Post
    In short, 35 FLE has notable casts but you might get away with it at F5.6, which aperture is the first to also show good edge sharpness. F8 is into diffraction territory. Not a bad result but it won't save this lens from being put of for sale soon: its wary field of focus, also evident in these shots, doesn't suit my style.

    The 18mm SE is not a pretty sight on the new Sony: it has strong and complex colour casts that don't settle down enough as you stop down. It also doesn't get near a tight edge until F8. I didn't like this on the M240 and I actively dislike it on the a7R.
    They look awful to me - I'd expected the 35 FLE to be alright (whatever it's other sins, it doesn't create colour casts on many cameras. the 18 should be better than some other wides.

    Have you tried a 28 'cron Tim?

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    Re: Fun with the A7/7R

    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    This isn't about the D800E at all, Ron.

    Diffraction limit is all about resolution (tangible) and not about micro contrast or OOF characteristics (nebulous).
    The laws of physics still apply, circles of confusion are what they are, and diffraction limits on different sensors with identical pixel pitch remain the same.

    If the A7R's sensor offers a less convoluted optical path in its toppings (which I expect to be the case), then diffraction limits should be visible even earlier on the A7R than on the D800E (assuming post-processing by the imaging pipeline is identical, which it likely isn't, and I suppose that's your point).

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    Re: Fun with the A7/7R

    Quote Originally Posted by tashley View Post
    I merely looked at the 35 lux files for f5.6 and f8 on centre and observed that the f8 files have lost detail. Whether that it technically micro contrast or whether it is resolution I ould not say, but it is less good. I have no idea about whether the Sony routines apply to non-native glass but I prefer to do my own deconvolution and I am not too keen on it being baked in for me!
    It is possible that f/5.6 is the sweet spot for that lens and it is all downhill from there.

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    Re: Fun with the A7/7R

    Hi Jono,
    28 Cron coming up tomorrow plus, if I have time, the 50 lux and nocti and the 90 macro elmar. When I've worked out which ones are 'basically promising' I'll test them in more depth but the 18 is going, and probably the 35 lux, which I have never really liked.
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    Re: Fun with the A7/7R

    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    It is possible that f/5.6 is the sweet spot for that lens and it is all downhill from there.
    That's certainly the case with all lenses I've used on the D800E that are up to the task. F/4.8-5.0 might even be a touch better.

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