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    Thanks Vivek for the info re the pen f lenses.

    I have used film M's and the film R's for many years.

    In the R's I have most lenses from fish eye to 180mm - lacking the 28mm, 80mm. I also have the Schneider 35mm 3.5 shift. At last I will get a digital camera to use them. Upgrading from a Nex 7.

    Thanks for all your insight.

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    Re: Fun with the A7/7R

    BTW, here is a shot with the Sony ZA 16-35 @ 16/2.8 using the SLT adapter ... plus a crop of a corner. About the same as when used on the Sony FF DSLRs.

    A quick snap of the Leica 75/2AA on the A7R ... as Goldie Locks said ... "Not to big, not to small ... just right".

    - Marc
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    Quote Originally Posted by Michiel Schierbeek View Post
    Bart, it seems that the batterys are the same as the NEX-7.
    Can I use the NEX-7 charger?

    BTW I got conformation mine is coming tomorrow
    It is the same battery and you can use the same charger.
    The A7r is shipped without charger, only an adaptor to allow to charge the battery inside the camera in about 300 minutes is included in the package.
    Mine was half charger and it took 3 hours to get fully charged

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    Marc

    Thanks for actually showing some decent images that are well composed and lit, it is far more interesting to see what the camera can do when some thought has been applied.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fotografz View Post
    BTW, here is a shot with the Sony ZA 16-35 @ 16/2.8 using the SLT adapter ... plus a crop of a corner. About the same as when used on the Sony FF DSLRs.

    A quick snap of the Leica 75/2AA on the A7R ... as Goldie Locks said ... "Not to big, not to small ... just right".

    - Marc
    ...this ZA 16-35 looks like a decent and useful lens on the A7r, but almost as expensive and large (and heavy) as the Nikkor 14-24...hhmm
    thorkil

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    Re: UV and IR sensitivity of A7R

    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    The UV/IR cut filter in A7R is stronger than the ones in the NEX cams.

    No UV is registered.

    IR is well suppressed as well.

    The camera is only useful for Visible light captures.


    Darn, I was kinda hoping the opposite to be honest, one of the things I'd use it for would be some casual astro imaging, on a telescope. No way will I be full spectrum modifying this.
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    Re: Fun with the A7/7R

    Quote Originally Posted by Ario Arioldi View Post
    It is the same battery and you can use the same charger.
    The A7r is shipped without charger, only an adaptor to allow to charge the battery inside the camera in about 300 minutes is included in the package.
    Mine was half charger and it took 3 hours to get fully charged
    Thank you Ario!

    That is great to hear! I have two chargers and 4 batterys in total then
    I don't like in camera charging much.

    Any pics yet?

    Kind regards, Michiel

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    Michiel,
    I had problems with the adapters I had bought for M and F mount lenses, none was good enough to be used on my A7r. Today I will get two Fododix adapters which I hope will work as expected and allow me to test some lens.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mjr View Post
    Marc

    Thanks for actually showing some decent images that are well composed and lit, it is far more interesting to see what the camera can do when some thought has been applied.

    Mat
    Marc: Big +1 to Mat's remarks. Thanks a lot for sharing the pictures and your first impressions. Really very useful!
    Best regards - Hermann

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    Re: Fun with the A7/7R

    Quote Originally Posted by Ario Arioldi View Post
    Michiel,
    I had problems with the adapters I had bought for M and F mount lenses, none was good enough to be used on my A7r. Today I will get two Fododix adapters which I hope will work as expected and allow me to test some lens.
    Mmm... I fear for the quality of some of my adapters as well then....

    Luckely I just laid my hands on a Sony Zeiss ZA 35/2.8
    Waiting for the camera this afternoon.

    BTW Ario Do you have the VC Ultron 21/1.8? Still no secure conformation how that lens fares on the A7r. Just saw one nightshot on another forum. Although it looks good one can not make a proper conclusion. I see more and more good signs of the use of non RF wides, though.

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    Re: Fun with the A7/7R

    Here is a shot with A7R and the Noctilux 0.95
    shot at 0.95

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    Re: Fun with the A7/7R

    Quote Originally Posted by Ario Arioldi View Post
    Michiel,
    I had problems with the adapters I had bought for M and F mount lenses, none was good enough to be used on my A7r. Today I will get two Fododix adapters which I hope will work as expected and allow me to test some lens.
    Ario, They do not make their own adapters but resell them from some source in HK. Hope, you will find the proper adapters soon.

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    Re: Fun with the A7/7R

    Quote Originally Posted by Michiel Schierbeek View Post
    Thank you Ario!

    That is great to hear! I have two chargers and 4 batterys in total then
    I don't like in camera charging much.

    Any pics yet?

    Kind regards, Michiel
    The battery drains when left in the camera. So, it is best to leave it outside while not in use.
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    It's great seeing all the excitement over the A7s and the excellent legacy glass. If anyone has already received the 35mm f2.8 FE can you say whether the autofocus with it is good enough for low light venues (like a night time indoor environment)?

    Thanks,
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    Re: Fun with the A7/7R

    Quote Originally Posted by Thorkil View Post
    ...this ZA 16-35 looks like a decent and useful lens on the A7r, but almost as expensive and large (and heavy) as the Nikkor 14-24...hhmm
    thorkil
    Not all that expensive if you already own the ZA 16-35

    I sure the heck wouldn't get the ZA specifically for this camera. I just gave it a try to see how my widest A mount lens would work.

    The only thing a Canon or Nikon super-wide zoom on a Metabones adapter probably couldn't match is the AF speed of the SLT adapted ZA 16-35. The Nikon 14-24 is a nice lens ... one of the few I liked in the nikon line-up.

    BTW, the SLT translucent mirror adapter specifically prohibits use of third party adapters on it. So, you can't get it, and "supposedly" stack a Leica R to A adapter.

    Tried the M21/1.4 ASPH and while it vignetted more than on a M9, it seemed fixable enough for real world applications unless it's for architectural or big landscapes ... my 21 shots below were wide open or close to wide open shots. (just to be sure I correctly recall the M performance, I'll see how it does on the M240 today when my demo camera arrives).

    Here's a few more ... also played around with a few efex to see how malleable the files are (they were). File name has info:

    - Marc
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    Re: Fun with the A7/7R

    Quote Originally Posted by jfirneno View Post
    It's great seeing all the excitement over the A7s and the excellent legacy glass. If anyone has already received the 35mm f2.8 FE can you say whether the autofocus with it is good enough for low light venues (like a night time indoor environment)?

    Thanks,
    John
    If I can I will test that tonight.

    I am scrolling through the manual and wonder:

    Noise reduction settings? Only found Long exposure NR for nightshots on the bottom of page 36
    Auto HDR; only for Jpeg or RAW as well?

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    Re: Fun with the A7/7R

    Quote Originally Posted by Michiel Schierbeek View Post
    If I can I will test that tonight.

    I am scrolling through the manual and wonder:

    Noise reduction settings?
    Auto HDR; only for Jpeg or RAW as well?
    Michiel, Congrats!

    Looking forward to it. Where did you buy the 35/2.8?

    Turn all those settings (NR, DRO, HDR, etc) off unless you want them.

    I keep the lens shading correction to auto.

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    Re: Fun with the A7/7R

    I got a message from Fotobooms that they are in stock.

    But where in the menu can you find the NR setting ?

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    Re: Fun with the A7/7R

    Under menu,the camera icon, page 5.

    Long Exp. NR
    High ISO NR

    Two settings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Michiel Schierbeek View Post
    If I can I will test that tonight.
    Thanks Michiel.

    Regards,
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    Just got the M to Sony adapter and mounted the WATE on the A7r. Sorry for the nonsense shots but I was really curious to see if there is any paricular issue with this combo.

    16mm-21mm-18mm @f:4



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    Marc, thanks for the review. Is the photo of the swimmer one of your famous shots from the National Hotel on South Beach?

    New A7R or used a99?

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    A7R arrived (body only, no lens so far) the day before yesterday!


    DSC05097.jpg by W.Utsch, on Flickr
    A7R, Leica Summicron 50/2.0

    First impressions:
    Build quality feels quite good - RX1 little bit better
    Menu - the best from Sony so far.
    High ISO, the best of all cams i had before.
    Manual focus (magif. and peaking) works super.

    Lenses tested so far

    Leica M:
    21/2.8 Elmarit - forget it, vignetting ans magenta corners - no sharp corners
    28/2.8 Elmarit asph. magenta and no sharpness in corners
    35/2 Cron. asph. the first usable lens -very little magenta, sharp corners from f 5.6 -8 on, but i will not use it (ordered the EF 35/2.8 Sonnar)

    Everythig from 50 mm upwards works perfect:

    50/2.0 Cron perfect
    50/1.0 Noct. perfect
    90/2.0 Cron. perfect

    All my DSLR lenses work perfect, as expected super:

    Leica R 60/2.8 Macro
    Leica R 100/2.8 Apo Macro
    Leica R 180/3.4 ApoTelyt
    Schneider PC Super Angulon 28/2.8 (R-mount)

    Novoflex adapters for Leica M and R glass

    Canon L lenses:

    16-35 2.8 L with autofocus
    24- 105 4.0 L AF and Stabi.
    50/1.4
    24/3.5 TSE II

    Canon with Metabones III

    The DSLR lenses work really superb - but the whole thing gets big and ugly:


    DSC05098.jpg by W.Utsch, on Flickr

    With Canon 16-35/2.8 L and Metabones ver. III


    DSC05100.jpg by W.Utsch, on Flickr

    With Schneider Super Angulon PC 28/2.8 R-mount and Novoflex adapter - a very good combination
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    Re: Fun with the A7/7R

    Quote Originally Posted by Michiel Schierbeek View Post
    I got a message from Fotobooms that they are in stock.

    But where in the menu can you find the NR setting ?
    Thank you, Vivek

    That's what i found on page 36 (downloaded manual from internet)

    BTW Just got a homemade adapter from Moscow for Contax RF lenses.
    Just made some test shots with the Jupiter-3 and old Industar 52/2.8 Fun

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    Re: Fun with the A7/7R

    Quote Originally Posted by MikalWGrass View Post
    Marc, thanks for the review. Is the photo of the swimmer one of your famous shots from the National Hotel on South Beach?

    New A7R or used a99?
    Yes, that was shot at night at the National while I was down in Miami filming a bunch of TV commercials ... (i.e., put a palm tree in the story boards ... go to Miami in the winter )

    Ahhhh, those were the days. All expenses paid including all my film processing that a PA took to the lab for me. Hedonistic actually

    Anyway, hold your water until I'm down there with you ... I'll probably have the A99 and the A7R by then so you can fondle, er, handle them both. The A99 has more features to play with, and has in-camera stabilization. Just depends on size/weight issues overriding other stuff.

    - Marc

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    Re: Fun with the A7/7R

    Quote Originally Posted by Michiel Schierbeek View Post
    Thank you, Vivek

    That's what i found on page 36 (downloaded manual from internet)

    BTW Just got a homemade adapter from Moscow for Contax RF lenses.
    Just made some test shots with the Jupiter-3 and old Industar 52/2.8 Fun
    The Bayonet teeth in the A7R is still plastic. So, careful mounting and dismounting of adapters is called for. You still have the 3 year free service plan from Sony. Still...
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    Re: Fun with the A7/7R

    Want to ad to my post above:

    Really like the viewfinder of the A7R- The best EVF i had so far.

    A very early verdict:

    A great cam

    - not all legacy glass is working (this was clear from the announcement of the cam). RF-WA's have some problems, but you can't have it all!
    Almost EVERYTHING OTHER you can mount on the 7's and you will get incredible IQ and versatility.
    I am looking forward to the Zeiss lenses for the 7's, i will use them for the most of the time.

    Now i have to decide what to sell (NEX 7 and lenses are already gone) RX1??? Not sure yet....

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    I was asked to shoot a hassidic music festival a few days after the bar mitzvah and i really need another body to do so properly. I can use the M6 and TriX but nobody has patience for processing and scanning anymore. I can always rent a second body if I have to.

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    A7R and Leica 35mm Summilux ASPH
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    Raymond

    This thread is so long by now that I forgot the M-E mount adapter you are using. Thanks for your postings.
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    Currently uploading to
    Tim Ashley Photography | Sony A7R | _DSC5980

    Colour cast series for the M 50 Lux and the F1 Noctilux, plus aperture series of distant landscape with both lenses. In short, less colour casts than wider lenses as expected, fairly useable for some purposes and best from F5.6 for colour shifts on both. In terms of edge sharpness, both ideally need F11 at which point diffraction has taken the shine off the centre but not by as much as you might think. In particular, the 'donut' field of focus shape of the Notctilux is as evident as it was on the M240. However, both lenses can produce some gorgeous files creatively at wider apertures, and are acceptable technically when stopped down enough. I will keep both… but if it could just be one, it would be the Nocti, because it is so damned sexy!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    The Bayonet teeth in the A7R is still plastic. So, careful mounting and dismounting of adapters is called for. You still have the 3 year free service plan from Sony. Still...
    This is actually very disappointing news as I have never seen a recent camera use plastic bayonet teeth.

    Our warranty here is not 3 years so this situation might cause an additional expense if one is changing lenses often. Extended warranties are available for purchase so this is something to consider for sure IF one plans to keep this body for many years.
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    Re: Fun with the A7/7R

    Quote Originally Posted by fotografz View Post
    Not all that expensive if you already own the ZA 16-35

    I sure the heck wouldn't get the ZA specifically for this camera. I just gave it a try to see how my widest A mount lens would work.

    The only thing a Canon or Nikon super-wide zoom on a Metabones adapter probably couldn't match is the AF speed of the SLT adapted ZA 16-35. The Nikon 14-24 is a nice lens ... one of the few I liked in the nikon line-up.

    BTW, the SLT translucent mirror adapter specifically prohibits use of third party adapters on it. So, you can't get it, and "supposedly" stack a Leica R to A adapter.

    Tried the M21/1.4 ASPH and while it vignetted more than on a M9, it seemed fixable enough for real world applications unless it's for architectural or big landscapes ... my 21 shots below were wide open or close to wide open shots. (just to be sure I correctly recall the M performance, I'll see how it does on the M240 today when my demo camera arrives).

    Here's a few more ... also played around with a few efex to see how malleable the files are (they were). File name has info:

    - Marc
    Nice Pictures.
    Haven’t got any Sony gear, unfortunately 
    Yes a 16-35 ZA could do the job for me it seems.
    Sold my 14-24 and D800E too
    36 Mp require a careful and patient mind I guess, and I had this issue being unsatisfied with the look, lack of crispness and lack of inspiring colours too.
    Sony looks better, colours and rendering seems more crisp and sufficient colorsaturated, just as Olympus seems, but the Olympus lack the high iso range.
    But then I would like a 24-70 too and then…and then we are getter too close to a M240
    …and then a D610 with a 14mm Samyang would be a cheap solution for me(+ a Sigma 35 Art)(got some other Nikkors), and then not so ambitious
    hhmmmm
    Its no easy times… better keep my hands in my pocket for a while.
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    Re: Fun with the A7/7R

    Quote Originally Posted by fotografz View Post
    BTW, the SLT translucent mirror adapter specifically prohibits use of third party adapters on it. So, you can't get it, and "supposedly" stack a Leica R to A adapter.


    - Marc
    Marc,

    I presume that a lens that has been converted to A mount will work (I hope)? I have a full kit of Leica R lenses that have been Leitax adapted to Sony A that I am intending to use...

    Thanks for the excellent sample photos...


    ---Michael
    a900, a7r, FE 16-35, FE 70-200 Leica R lenses: 35 f/2, 50 f/2, 60 macro, Minolta 24mm, 35-70 f/4, Sony G 70-300

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    Hi All,
    Received my A7R and my first tries look very promising with the Leica R lenses, my first reason to buy it.
    Now i will appear stupid but any of you could direct me to an online complete user manual ?
    It was not in the box, called also Sony support to inform them that none is availiable in french or english at online support and they acknoledged the fact after verification.
    Thanks a lot
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    Re: Fun with the A7/7R

    Quote Originally Posted by Biglou View Post
    Hi All,
    Received my A7R and my first tries look very promising with the Leica R lenses, my first reason to buy it.
    Now i will appear stupid but any of you could direct me to an online complete user manual ?
    It was not in the box, called also Sony support to inform them that none is availiable in french or english at online support and they acknoledged the fact after verification.
    Thanks a lot
    JoŽl

    http://download.sony-asia.com/consum...4478729112.pdf
    With best regards, K-H.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Biglou View Post
    Hi All,
    Received my A7R and my first tries look very promising with the Leica R lenses, my first reason to buy it.
    Now i will appear stupid but any of you could direct me to an online complete user manual ?
    It was not in the box, called also Sony support to inform them that none is availiable in french or english at online support and they acknoledged the fact after verification.
    Thanks a lot
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    JoŽl:

    Should have been in the box, for sure. Anyway here's a link:

    http://download.sony-asia.com/consum...4478729112.pdf

    Hope you enjoy the new toy.

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    Some 50 Nocti F1 images at F1, F1.4 and then F2




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    And some 50 Lux , 3 at F1.4 and then one at F2






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    Quote Originally Posted by contrelamontre View Post
    JoŽl:

    Should have been in the box, for sure. Anyway here's a link:

    http://download.sony-asia.com/consum...4478729112.pdf

    Hope you enjoy the new toy.

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    Too late

    Thanks a lot and best regards, i am saved and i think Sony ows you something now
    This camera is fun...

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    "It's no easy times..." I hear you, thorkil. I'm thinking I'll sit this one out as well. Moving from Nex 7 to A7 never made much sense to me, but the A7R has been enticing. But I'm not sure the hyperrealism that I'm seeing from this camera suits my photographic interests.

    I'm so enamored with the GR's black and white output that I'm inclined to wait a bit and see what Ricoh comes up with. Of course, I may handle the A7R in my local camera store one day soon and find myself whipping out the credit card. It would not be my first impulsive camera purchase.

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    Nice Pictures.
    Haven’t got any Sony gear, unfortunately 
    Yes a 16-35 ZA could do the job for me it seems.
    Sold my 14-24 and D800E too
    36 Mp require a careful and patient mind I guess, and I had this issue being unsatisfied with the look, lack of crispness and lack of inspiring colours too.
    Sony looks better, colours and rendering seems more crisp and sufficient colorsaturated, just as Olympus seems, but the Olympus lack the high iso range.
    But then I would like a 24-70 too and then…and then we are getter too close to a M240
    …and then a D610 with a 14mm Samyang would be a cheap solution for me(+ a Sigma 35 Art)(got some other Nikkors), and then not so ambitious
    hhmmmm
    Its no easy times… better keep my hands in my pocket for a while.
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    Thanks Michiel.

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    Sorry John, Can't do it, not untill monday for that matter. The post man managed to deliver at my neighbours, who were not at home, and sign me in as not at home

    I felt like a disapointed child waiting for it's toy. Life is a bitch sometimes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Michiel Schierbeek View Post
    Sorry John, Can't do it, not untill monday for that matter. The post man managed to deliver at my neighbours, who were not at home, and sign me in as not at home

    I felt like a disapointed child waiting for it's toy. Life is a bitch sometimes.
    That's too bad Michiel. Well, they say patience is a virtue. But I've never been virtuous. Best of luck with the new camera.

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    Re: Fun with the A7/7R

    Here is how some Olympus pen F lenses behave on the A7R (all at infinity) and without a hood.


    Pen-F-test-1 by Vivek Iyer, on Flickr

    Edit: When the front filter ring is removed, the 38/1.8 is devoid of the corner clipping (there is still light fall off at f/1.8 that evens up by f/5.6). Will check the others soon.
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    This should give an idea about the typical night light levels here.


    Untitled by Vivek Iyer, on Flickr
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    Quote Originally Posted by Michiel Schierbeek View Post
    Sorry John, Can't do it, not untill monday for that matter. The post man managed to deliver at my neighbours, who were not at home, and sign me in as not at home

    I felt like a disapointed child waiting for it's toy. Life is a bitch sometimes.
    That's a major bummer. Once I jumped on my bicycle and caught up with the truck.

    Anyway, you've waited this long....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Michiel Schierbeek View Post
    Sorry John, Can't do it, not untill monday for that matter. The post man managed to deliver at my neighbours, who were not at home, and sign me in as not at home

    I felt like a disapointed child waiting for it's toy. Life is a bitch sometimes.
    I feel for you, but at least you're not alone: I've ordered the A7R from a Sony distributor here in Switzerland, and the ship date has been postponed by a week for the second time now. Looks like I'll be waiting 'til early DecemberÖ
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    Nope, definitely not alone, I'm waiting too.
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    As we say: Shared anguish is half anguish
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gbealnz View Post
    Nope, definitely not alone, I'm waiting too.
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    As we say: Shared anguish is half anguish
    Oh Dear
    My anguish is quite different - a 20 minute drive bags me the camera, but I don't think I'm ready for it yet

    Just this guy you know
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