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    Re: Fun with the A7/7R

    And then there's the Noctilux f/0.95 on the A7:

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    their faces are popping ashwin. that df looks like a beast.

    show performance, how were you triggering your strobes? I'm liking the harsh shadows.

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    Re: Fun with the A7/7R



    @1.8



    @5.6


    Here are a couple of exceedingly boring test shots with the Voigtlander 21mm f1.8 Ultron and A7r.

    They're not scientific, but do show the extent of color shift and edge smearing one encounters with this lens. Focus was in the extreme left-hand corner (the window blinds), and NOT at infinity. In short, once I start shooting proper profiles I think it will play nicely.

    Now if only I could remove the damn hood...
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    Quote Originally Posted by k-hawinkler View Post
    The A7R would need to have about 57MP to match the resolution of the 24MP NEX-7.
    And, the NEX-7 would need nearly 120MP to match the resolution of the Nokia 808 cell phone.
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    Re: Fun with the A7/7R

    There is a severe storm going on here. Bicycles still are used.



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    Fun with A7r and Big glass... Leica R 70 - 180 2.8

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    www.rafael-lopes.com
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    Re: Fun with the A7/7R

    This is with the modest 24/2.8 Minolta. Seems to work rather well on the A7r.
    (Done in IDC and Gimp )




    BTW This is called "Amsterdan school" architecture, fabulous bricklayers.
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    Re: Fun with the A7/7R

    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    There is a severe storm going on here. Bicycles still are used.
    Here too, the floor is trembling here under the roof. But the 110 year old big chesnut tree just right beside usually remains....

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    Michael, you seems to get the best out of everything, I have to say...but for deadly human beings like me, on the backseat of the bus, there only just seems to be more comfortable, less Scientific solutions to explore our life with(or a bucket full of frustrations) than a A7R...."just" a E-M1, D610 or....or a Df (one can be in love with several at the same time, but for now a Df, perhaps....but one possitive thing about age and laziness as a evolutionally stage, is just a slightly better ability to keep cool....(or at least ought to be))
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thorkil View Post
    Here too, the floor is trembling here under the roof. But the 110 year old big chesnut tree just right beside usually remains....

    thorkil
    There is a bit of wind here in Berlin, more than usual, but the power of the storm seems to have passed north of us.

    Held og lykke med trĉet!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thorkil View Post
    Michael, you seems to get the best out of everything, I have to say...but for deadly human beings like me, on the backseat of the bus, there only just seems to be more comfortable, less Scientific solutions to explore our life with(or a bucket full of frustrations) than a A7R...."just" a E-M1, D610 or....or a Df (one can be in love with several at the same time, but for now a Df, perhaps....but one possitive thing about age and laziness as a evolutionally stage, is just a slightly better ability to keep cool....(or at least ought to be))
    thorkil
    Unfortunatly I seem to be mortal as well, so you're not alone.
    It took me some hours to get this done in my, probably temporarely, replacements ofACR and Photoshop.
    I get cooler all the time, especially my feet
    Thank you Thorkil for you ever interesting "out of the box " comments.
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    Re: Fun with the A7/7R

    More fun...

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    Two sides of the same flowerstall.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Rawfa View Post
    Fantastic shot, Rafael. Love it!
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    re: Fun With Sony _____

    NEX-3, a perfectly good digital back for slow work with a Speed Boosted Summicron R 50. Mostly posting these out of spite for the latest and greatest.

    Last Night of Hanukkah, 2013:

    (35mm f/1.4, blues bumped up, cropped)

    Lit/Unlit:

    (35mm f/4, background brightened considerably, tree at right brightened, cropped)

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    Thanks Ron

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    Long exposure with a Pentax 28mm

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    Re: Fun with the A7/7R

    What an incredible thread this is already. Everyone bringing out their favorite lenses to play. I could spend hours looking through it. Wow!
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    Re: Fun with the A7/7R

    Quote Originally Posted by Michiel Schierbeek View Post
    This is with the modest 24/2.8 Minolta. Seems to work rather well on the A7r.
    (Done in IDC and Gimp )

    BTW This is called "Amsterdan school" architecture, fabulous bricklayers.
    ... and fabulous modern architecture :-)
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    Re: Fun with the A7/7R

    Quote Originally Posted by Chris Barrett View Post
    More fun...

    I was there, quite long ago, to visit Frank Lloyd's architecture. You bring me good memories back, I loved Chicago more than New York.

    PS : it doesn't detract that all your pictures are so good.

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    Re: Fun with the A7/7R

    Quote Originally Posted by carstenw View Post
    There is a bit of wind here in Berlin, more than usual, but the power of the storm seems to have passed north of us.

    Held og lykke med trĉet!
    En dansker i Berlin, formoder jeg (a dane in Berlin, I presume)
    ja, tak, trĉet holdt (Thanks...the three kept upright)

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    Re: Fun with the A7/7R

    Some more with the R 180/3.4, handheld.
    The first one is a water measuring station in the Rhein river.
    The second with the sun in face an old abattoir house. No CA removal in PP and very good shadows.








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    Re: Fun with the A7/7R

    FYI: Lloyd Chambers is of the opinion that the RAW compression used in the A7R is lossy (paid subscription required):

    diglloyd blog - Sony A7R: First Look with the FE 35mm f/2.8 Sonnar ZA

    Could this be the cause of the 'jaggies' many of us have been seeing?

    Edit - here an interesting thread on the subject: http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1255693

    Perhaps we should petition Sony to re-introduce a lossless RAW format?

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    Ron, we should remember that the LR conversion is still in beta. If you use the (bad) Sony software or Irrident Developer there are no jaggies at all in the pics. And even in LR, are there really jaggies?? IMO it is hard to tell. I won't subscribe to LC website and have strong doubts that he is right on that matter.
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    Re: Fun with the A7/7R

    I agree with Werner.

    The link from FM started a while back, even before anyone could get hold of an A7/7R?

    LC site and subscription, good luck!

    Based on this "we" should petition Sony?

    I would rather join the "why I am not keeping the A7R thread" right here, and promote the virtues of ....oh, sorry for the OT, getting carried away.

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    re: Fun With Sony _____

    Quote Originally Posted by MikalWGrass View Post
    No offense but the discussions on the new Sonys are getting a bit ponderous, so I decided (I am a nobody with no authority) to bore you guys with some photos that I took this past Friday night. The Professor Marc W. gave me some pointers on how to drag the shutter because he knows how much I hate flash. Not sure I did him proud with these non Pulitzer winning photos but I am not Uncle Bob with a fancy camera pushing his way in front of everyone for the best shot. Shot with the a900, 35/2 purchased from Show Performance several months ago, and the dedicated Sony flash for the a900.




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    Wrestling2 by MikalWGrass, on Flickr


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    Re: Fun with the A7/7R

    The Sony software develops the RAW's fine but the software is very limited and slo-o-o-o-ooow.
    If I have to compare it to the Sigma SPP software then Sigma deserves a although it is kind of slow as well.
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    Re: Fun with the A7/7R

    Close but no cigar!


    Close but.. by Vivek Iyer, on Flickr
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    This is perhaps the finest Cat lens I have ever used! Simply a superb lens! Contrast is unusually high (gloomy day here) for such a lens and no color fringing problems at all. Fairly sharp. A shame that it falls short. Fantastic fit on the A7R (size/weight)!
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    Due to the weather not so much fun here: fooled around with my R100 and Panagor Auto Macro Converter ...

    B&H Ad as seen on top of the screen.


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    Quote Originally Posted by W.Utsch View Post
    Ron, we should remember that the LR conversion is still in beta. If you use the (bad) Sony software or Irrident Developer there are no jaggies at all in the pics. And even in LR, are there really jaggies?? IMO it is hard to tell. I won't subscribe to LC website and have strong doubts that he is right on that matter.
    In my opinion there is no doubt at all that LR 5,3 RC is producing bad very fine details (jaggies or what some call 'digitally created data' in curved lines f.i. small tree wires). Sony IDC is softer even if very fine details are pushed a lot more. Capture 1 is also softer but less than Sony IDC. Hope this will disappear with the production LR 5,3.
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    I have done whatever tests I can to see if IDC gives fewer jaggies, and I'm afraid I can't reach a conclusion: sharpening at 0 in IDC is not zero, it is quite aggressive and is nasty, much sharper than my LR setting of 60/0.7/70/20 in LR and much blunter. Sharpening at -100 is way softer than LR with all sharpening off. Given the different parameters within any sharpening choice, it is simply not possible AFAIK to start with a matched base level of sharpening in order to compare jaggies across the two converters. IDC seems to have fewer jaggies it's true, but the NR is so nasty that it is just robbing the file of detail.

    I have developed files in IDC a load of different ways and exported them as 16 bit TIFF to LR in order to try and get an unsharpened file to compare and I can't make it happen!

    Whether IDC is calming the jaggies by throwing away the data, or whether it does de-mosaic the files better remains to be seen but is to me academic. I don't like what it does and I don't use it...
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    Re: Fun with the A7/7R

    Since the thread is called 'fun with…' I thought I'd try mounting the A7R on a Joby Gorillapod, with 35mm F2.8 and 1 second exposure using a 2 second delay release.

    Try doing that with a D800e and Sigma 35 Art..



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    Just got the a7r yesterday. Aside from the slightly cumbersome focus-zoom procedure (and moving the box especially with grip attached), the operation is smooth and the files are great. Here is a quick test shot with the leica 75 cron -- color corrected with passport. No other PP.


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    Re: Fun with the A7/7R

    Quote Originally Posted by cgthanos View Post
    Just got the a7r yesterday. Aside from the slightly cumbersome focus-zoom procedure (and moving the box especially with grip attached), the operation is smooth and the files are great. Here is a quick test shot with the leica 75 cron -- color corrected with passport. No other PP.
    Very nice! Based on ebay.de, that lens has become quite sought after (and most sold) after the A7/7R.

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    From World AIDS Day last Sunday.



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    Re: Fun with the A7/7R

    Lots of jaggies here

    To make an other argument: I printed some pics on my 3800 @A2, no jaggies at all in the prints with LR conversions.




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    Great composition and B&W conversion, Werner! The AT180 looks like a good companion to the A7R...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Annna T View Post
    ... and fabulous modern architecture :-)
    This from around 1920, but still very special

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    Great composition and B&W conversion, Werner! The AT180 looks like a good companion to the A7R...
    +1

    Love the "look through" in the second one.

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    Lightsculpture.

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    Re: Fun with the A7/7R

    Another gloomy, dark day so I played around inside with the Contax 180mm f/2.8 Sonnar on the A7R. Mounted with a Fotodiox C/Y to E adapter and Novoflex ASAT-NEX adapter tripod mount. This was with a (too) small gitzo tripod and it is clear that I need to use my heavier tripod. The smaller one just transmits too much ambient vibration when working with slow shutter speed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Michiel Schierbeek View Post
    Lightsculpture.

    Hi Michiel,

    Once again I chickened out (cold and windy) and decided to stay home, despite having the good intention to go out and visit the opening of the Amsterdam Light Festival on Friday.
    Oh well, many more opportunities to come ...

    A fine shot viewing the Amstel and Royal Theater Carré and the colourful light reflections are lovely.
    I noticed you're using an M50/2: do you recall what ISO, shutter speed and aperture were selected ?

    TIA

    Kind regards.
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    Re: Fun with the A7/7R

    Lugano, Switzerland
    as with the RX1 in low light i am using the A7R in M mode with auto iso:


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    re: Fun With Sony _____

    In spite of all the new cameras and GAS inspired posting I'm still very happy with my trusty A850 and an old Minolta 80-200/2.8 G lens. It's heavy to lug around all day but it brings home some pictures I'm really happy with.

    Here's a few from a trip to Wroclaw earlier this year:

    The Hat


    Facade


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    Re: Fun with the A7/7R

    Quote Originally Posted by Knorp View Post
    Hi Michiel,

    Once again I chickened out (cold and windy) and decided to stay home, despite having the good intention to go out and visit the opening of the Amsterdam Light Festival on Friday.
    Oh well, many more opportunities to come ...

    A fine shot viewing the Amstel and Royal Theater Carré and the colourful light reflections are lovely.
    I noticed you're using an M50/2: do you recall what ISO, shutter speed and aperture were selected ?

    TIA

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    Hi Bart,

    It was cold, rainy and windy in deed. But you did well not to go.
    I was photographing together with te official photographer of the Lightproject, whom I met on the Waterlooplein bridge, and he told me a lot of works were damaged by the storm, so it is better to wait a week or so. People were still reparing projects along the route and some were not there at all.
    The guy was, of course, photographing with a Canon MIII, recognised my Leica lens but not the camera. I said; it is a new Sony, with 36mp, and he said; well megapixels are not everything. He was a very friendly young guy, though.

    As far as I can recall I took the photograph @ F8 or 11 and ISO 125, but I used a tripod (13 seconds), because it was pitch dark.

    Thanks for the compliment!
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    Re: Fun with the A7/7R

    Just a sample comparison (from the same raw file) of Sony Image Data Converter vs Capture 1 (adobe DNG converted) vs Ligthroom 5.3 RC

    What I see is that Sony IDC (1st crop) can be pushed very far and give a lot of details (too much here) but without jaggies problems.
    Take a look at the 'Azienda Agricola' writing for instance (small digital artifacts here are due to the jpeg compression only).
    2nd is Capture 1, jaggies are there, less details than with Sony IDC but more details than with LR (3rd) with same amount of jaggies.
    (Pushing details more with C1 or LR increase the jaggies to an unacceptable level so I stopped there)

    Okay it's cutting hairs comparison but it's all about such fine details if choosing to use the A7r instead of the A7 isn't it ?

    Another comparison of a house with small plants in the frontyard is more explicit but I can't show it here.
    Let's hope LR 5.3 final will reach the detail level without jaggies that Sony IDC can produce.



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    Re: Fun with the A7/7R

    The image on the left shows very fine detail. Which lenses and settings did you use?
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