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    Re: Fun with the A7/7R

    I spent quite some time taking images with the APO-Telyt-M 135 this afternoon. Below a sample. A more in-depth assessment can be found in this thread:

    APO Telyt 135mm f/3.4 or APO SOnnar 135/2?



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    Some detail shots of a window and doors at the old boathouse. Clicking image will bring up full size original. All handheld with A7R and 35mm FE f/2.8 Sonnar.





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    All others will catch… the flu? Or the bus because their vehicle's been towed?

    Edit: I really like the rendering of the FE 2.8/35. Since my C Biogon ZM 2.8/35 is just about unusable with the A7R (unfortunately - I really like it on NEX-7 and NEX-6), it might be a worthwhile addition to the stable...

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    A few more at the lake shore, same setup as above.

    Crusty old canoe bottom




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    On the way to Normandy we pass this old monastry in Saint Riquier.
    Also a test for my latest aquisition the Canon FD 24/2.
    Very happy with this lens for the A7r (sharp corners)




    One of the oldest retirementhomes in France.


    Industrial heritage, ready for demolition.
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    Been playing with the Samyang 14 F2.8 and Zeiss 21mm F2.8 adapted from Nikon mount to the A7R with an MTF adaptor. The Zeiss seems possibly slightly better on the A7R than on the D800E with the exception of some colour shading (though I have done no direct comparison shots) and the Samyang seems slightly less good, a little courser. Interestingly, all the lenses I have so far tried that have a weaker side (due to decentering) show the same behaviour on the A7R as they did on the Nikon which answers the long standing small niggling doubt I had about sensor alignment in my D800E - and indicates that the MTF adaptor is doing its job properly. It does have a tiny bit of slack (when you twist a stiff aperture ring, the whole lens moves touch, too) and I have a feeling that it is stopping a tiny bit short of infinity. More testing in order!

    Zeiss:


    Samyang:
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    a7R ZA distagon 24/2 @ f/2
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    A7R and 35mm FE lens f 8 ISO 400. nothing special, just getting familiar with the new camera.
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    Re: Fun with the A7/7R

    Well, I gotta say, the A7 is fitting in nicely as a change of pace camera for me.... I do ponder the added detail from the R, but find that the A7 files remind me quite a bit of the RX1 files....very solid....

    Here are some pics from a birthday filled week-end, taken with a borrowed 35 mm FE lens and 75 Summilux, mainly at ISO 1600-6400....























    By the way, all images were processed in LR, and color choices were a mix of available light and processing
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    Lovely shots Ashwin, especially the very last one, you seem to have perfected those selfies to a tee.
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    Thanks, Gary!
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    Love the light here Ashwin
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    Re: Fun with the A7/7R

    Quote Originally Posted by tashley View Post
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    Samyang:
    very interesting, Tim! and the Samyang looks like doing a proper job too.
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    Twin bridges:








    The FOV difference between the 35 and 180:





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    Nice shots all around. Did you use the Eye focus feature on any? Do you use standard or Creative Style Neutral? Anyone else use that feature?

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    Untitled by Vivek Iyer, on Flickr
    Sony A7R, M Rokkor 28/2.8, f/4.5, ISO400
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    Untitled by Vivek Iyer, on Flickr
    Sony A7R, M Rokkor 28/2.8, f/4.5, ISO400
    The jaggies (car number plate) is unavoidable while resizing.
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    Some with the Zeiss Makro Planar T* 100mm F2 Nikon fit and MTF adaptor: the lens works exceptionally well, and the precision of focus makes it much easier to use accurately on the A7R than on the D800.

    An aperture series of distant landscape is currently nearly finished uploading if anyone wants to see it: upshot is that it is gorgeous but that some quite hard (and hard to get rid of) vignetting is present and that it need F5.6 to get the edges of a far landscape in great focus.










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    Tim, thanks once again for a very useful set of images. The problems with the 100 Makro Planar surprise me, given the lovely results I see from the 90 Summicron. I thought lenses above 75mm or so would be what a Finnish friend of mine used to call "easy cake".

    Looking at the landscape images it does not appear to be simply an intensity vignette, but some physical interference that is killing resolution as well. Could it be the adaptor?

    You say it clears up by about f5.6, but sensitive old me remains bothered through the entire series.
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    I am also thinking it might be the adapter. I'll test my MP100 with my two adapters when I get a chance and will report back.
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    I just checked by taking images of a 1m distant white wall with the lens set to infinity: no signs of vignetting with either adapter (Metabones N/F II and modified Voigtländer F). It must be your adapter, Tim. I think this warrants a note in the Adaptor Thread...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Pfister View Post
    I just checked by taking images of a 1m distant white wall with the lens set to infinity: no signs of vignetting with either adapter (Metabones N/F II and modified Voigtländer F). It must be your adapter, Tim. I think this warrants a note in the Adaptor Thread...

    Thanks Ron. Have you tried focus at infinity? The problem may be there?
    With best regards, K-H.

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    Yes, focus was at infinity (see my original post). Actually, MFD would likely be worse, since the rear element is retracted into the lens when focusing in that direction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Pfister View Post
    Yes, focus was at infinity (see my original post). Actually, MFD would likely be worse, since the rear element is retracted into the lens when focusing in that direction.

    Ron, thanks again. Sorry I missed that part.
    With best regards, K-H.

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    I just checked on the MTF site, and couldn't find the Nikon-G to Sony-E adapter listed anywhere. Looks like they're aware of the problem (same as Voigtländer).

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    Quote Originally Posted by cunim View Post
    Tim, thanks once again for a very useful set of images. The problems with the 100 Makro Planar surprise me, given the lovely results I see from the 90 Summicron. I thought lenses above 75mm or so would be what a Finnish friend of mine used to call "easy cake".

    Looking at the landscape images it does not appear to be simply an intensity vignette, but some physical interference that is killing resolution as well. Could it be the adaptor?

    You say it clears up by about f5.6, but sensitive old me remains bothered through the entire series.
    Yup I agree that it probably is bothersome even though I like a bit of vignetting, and that it doesn't really clean up enough. I think it is possibly the adaptor, though so far it hasn't given a problem with anything else. But it might just be the hood in conjunction with the adaptor so at some stage I will try to shoot again without the hood. OTOH, the A7R is tending to give slightly better results in terms of resolution with many of these lenses, because it is possible to critical focus more easily. In general I would prefer to use the Leica M Macro Elmar F4 90mm because it behaves very nicely on the A7R and is a darned sight lighter and easier to hold!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Pfister View Post
    I just checked on the MTF site, and couldn't find the Nikon-G to Sony-E adapter listed anywhere. Looks like they're aware of the problem (same as Voigtländer).
    It's still there: but I will do further investigations…

    Mounts & Adaptors : The worlds first Nikon G to Sony E Mount Adaptor
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    Re: Fun with the A7/7R

    The Zeiss 21mm F2.8 on the same adaptor seems not to have a problem:
    Aperture series

    The Samyang 14mm F2.8 has more natural vignetting but again, no apparent adaptor problem… another aperture series

    though of course there are some colour shading issues with both...
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    Quote Originally Posted by tashley View Post
    It's still there: but I will do further investigations…

    Mounts & Adaptors : The worlds first Nikon G to Sony E Mount Adaptor
    Thanks - missed that. I think things would be easier to find if they dropped 'The world's first…' part of their product names…

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    Yes, I think you can. If that isn't possible the e curtain does not work while in the continuous shooting mode.

    The FF plugin cleans up the color issue nicely but what to do with the mush from the Cosina 15? That lens is absolutely a horror on the Leica MM.
    It works OK for me, for such a tiny lens. I wouldn't look for detail in the corners though, no. I may get tired of the mush eventually, we'll see.


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    Works well for these subjects, Taylor. Nice!

    That's the sticking point for me regarding wide M-mount lenses on the A7R: they may well work satisfactorily for some subjects, but definitely not for others. I'm not sure I want to take that chance, only having M-lenses in my bag. I'd rather go for compact SLR-lenses throughout, and then I'm sure I've got my bases covered...
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    Re: Fun with the A7/7R

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor Sherman View Post
    It works OK for me, for such a tiny lens. I wouldn't look for detail in the corners though, no.
    When such a thought is held, it works well on a M camera as well. The lens is superb for a 10-12mm image circle though!

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    Yup I agree that it probably is bothersome even though I like a bit of vignetting, and that it doesn't really clean up enough. I think it is possibly the adaptor, though so far it hasn't given a problem with anything else. But it might just be the hood in conjunction with the adaptor so at some stage I will try to shoot again without the hood. OTOH, the A7R is tending to give slightly better results in terms of resolution with many of these lenses, because it is possible to critical focus more easily. In general I would prefer to use the Leica M Macro Elmar F4 90mm because it behaves very nicely on the A7R and is a darned sight lighter and easier to hold!
    I'm willing to bet it's the adaptor. I had the same experience with my Voigtländer F-Adapter. I didn't see even a trace of vignetting until I used a Leica-R telephoto lens with deeply recessed rear element. Then the vignetting was very obvious. What do you see if you try the MP100 at MFD? My guess is that the vignetting will become much more pronounced, and that the hood won't affect the outcome at all...

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    MP100 at MFD? I am acronymally challenged!

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    Quote Originally Posted by tashley View Post
    MP100 at MFD? I am acronymally challenged!
    Sorry!

    Makro-Planar 100 at minimum focusing distance.

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    Ahhh! I will try it in a day or two - I have a busy day with other lenses tomorrow!

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    Hopefully, without that "world's first adapter" .

    Tim, If it won't let lenses reach infinity and vignettes, is it worth the bother?

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    Today I went out with some Canon FD wides. Here's the 20mm one. No distortion and corner correction or FF plugin. I have no Lightroom or ACR at the moment. Everything is done with the Sony software. I miss some tools though!
    Do I need another lens in the 20/21mm range?







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    Looking good, Michiel!

    After a first look, the first thought that came to my mind was, "empty streets" again. Then I see the title.
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    Tim, thanks again.

    What is your opinion of the Sony RAW compression used in these cameras? Are we losing something here?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    Hopefully, without that "world's first adapter" .

    Tim, If it won't let lenses reach infinity and vignettes, is it worth the bother?
    Actually it is OK with infinity - on one or two lenses it only just makes it, but despite feeling slightly insecure, I can't make it fail.

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    Tim, thanks again.

    What is your opinion of the Sony RAW compression used in these cameras? Are we losing something here?
    I think so. So far it doesn't bother me but I've said from the start that it has less clean shadows. I wasn't sure, really, if that was because the camera tends to underexpose quite a lot but in any event I think there is still a less natural look to shadows and to some subtle tonal gradations, especially in OOF areas, but that is mostly at the pixel level and it very rarely bothers me. The files in some ways look very natural and in some ways look, sometimes, a little more processed than D800E files but I see it as no biggie.

    My takeaway so far is that whatever you might be losing because of the processing pipeline, you are likely to be getting back in terms of the extra live view focus accuracy. If the sensor is the same as the D800E, then Sony and Nikon have done somewhat different thing with it. Both have their advantages, neither is as good as the sensor could deliver in the right body with the right lenses and the right focus, viewfinder and processing but both are an absolute privilege to use!
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    Re: Fun with the A7/7R

    Some with the Canon FD 24/2
    It was a wonderful day today.





    And two from this series.



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    Mers les Bains is a very beautiful city.
    The sea front is just amazing and colorful
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    How about "no fun with A7R"? My attempts with alt lenses turned out to be very disappointing. No way can I use ZM 18 or ZM 35 f:2.0 or G 28. That was more or less expected. Thumbs down also for Elmar 24. A heartbreaker, but also not totally unexpected. But what took me by surprise and a nasty one, is that my Sumilux 50 is not useable unless stopped down to at least f:4.0, and really excellent only at f:8.0.
    That sucks. The fact that Contax G45, G90 and Elmarit R 60 Makro shine doesn't make up for the loss of my 2 favorite lenses.

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    Re: Fun with the A7/7R

    So what are you going to do about it Pilippe? Sell it? Or try out some other (less expensive) lenses?
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    Re: Fun with the A7/7R

    what is up with those squeaky clean streets?. feels like a bergman movie set.

    of course i am a new yawker, where people think the street is their garbage can
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    Quote Originally Posted by Michiel Schierbeek View Post
    Some with the Canon FD 24/2
    It was a wonderful day today.
    I'm also using the FD 24/2 and like the results. No corner smearing issues. Only niggle is a bit of play in the focus ring of my copy, but I think this common to many of the old FD lenses.
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    I am going to try a A7 to see if buying it as a second body makes sense, just for those two lenses.
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