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    Re: Fun with the A7/7R

    Thanks, Werner. I do not see any unusual color casts either and mine is a Quato proof monitor. The ceiling is quite reflective and that is what it shows.

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    Thanks, Werner! There seems to be a very slight shift towards green, but it's nothing to worry about...
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    Some with the 55mm F1.8







    more to come. Gallery here has a lot of test and general shots but beware, my copy is decentered and not as good as I'd expect...
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    I -love- this camera!

    This shot is nothing special, just a snap outside my office, but it's a perfect example of why I love the A7R. I shot this with a more than 30-year-old Canon FD 28mm 2.8, that I paid $30 for. It's so much fun being able to use nearly all my lenses on this wonderful little 'digital back'. And the quality coming from some of these old, inexpensive lenses is remarkable.

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    Nothing spectacular here, but shot this from a windy bridge ...
    Should listen to Tim and not too much underexposing.

    ISO200, F5.6 or F8.0, 1/200th, Ev -1.0





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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeEvangelist View Post
    This shot is nothing special, just a snap outside my office, but it's a perfect example of why I love the A7R. I shot this with a more than 30-year-old Canon FD 28mm 2.8, that I paid $30 for. It's so much fun being able to use nearly all my lenses on this wonderful little 'digital back'. And the quality coming from some of these old, inexpensive lenses is remarkable.

    Mike was kind enough to send me a few files to play with since he knows Im sitting here waiting for UPS to drop off my adapter. My luck there is a exemption so its late. Grrrrrrrrrr

    Anyway this is amazing for such a old lens that it performs this well. Nice shot Mike and thanks check this out folks. I processed this in C1






    BTW Images look very similar to my D800e
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    I did fix the keystone effect
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    Ron, here is a link to an TIFF of the "office shot", you can download and inspect the pic, if you want.
    Just exported from LR with no adjustments at all.

    https://www.dropbox.com/s/8s4xg4g5wcp185b/DSC04900.tif

    I can't find any color shifts. The posted pic was edited a little in LR (Highlights, shadows and rectified).

    Very quick, with little care, i ran that pic through the flat field Plugin (with the white one posted as reference) and the outcome was definitive much worse than the original: It changed to colors!

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    OT here I am screwed by UPS. My stuff ( adapter and goodies) are stuck in Dallas. Tomorrow

    Grrrrrrrrr. Early happy hour coming
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    OT here I am screwed by UPS. My stuff ( adapter and goodies) are stuck in Dallas. Tomorrow

    Grrrrrrrrr. Early happy hour coming
    How extremely annoying for you - but at least it's not Friday!

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    Pushing my luck even further ...

    ISO400, F8.0, 1/50th, Ev -0.3





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    Quote Originally Posted by W.Utsch View Post
    Ron, here is a link to an TIFF of the "office shot", you can download and inspect the pic, if you want.
    Just exported from LR with no adjustments at all.

    https://www.dropbox.com/s/8s4xg4g5wcp185b/DSC04900.tif

    I can't find any color shifts. The posted pic was edited a little in LR (Highlights, shadows and rectified).

    Very quick, with little care, i ran that pic through the flat field Plugin (with the white one posted as reference) and the outcome was definitive much worse than the original: It changed to colors!
    Many thanks, Werner! Looks like your A7R has been getting a serious workout.

    I think you're correct - the shift I saw must be due to multiple stages of JPEG-mangling. And due to the two very different light sources at play, it really is unsuitable image to judge color shift to begin with. My bad!

    If you take your white shot, however, WB in the center and then look at the RGB-values in the corners, you'll be able to tell for sure if there's any shift.

    The reason I asked is because I read that this can be an issue with this lens (at least with the early ZF-version - no idea if there were any changes in coatings, etc. between that and the ZF.2/ZE). Is yours new?

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    Re: Fun with the A7/7R

    FFF (full frame funk)

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    Lovely bokeh, Michiel!

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    Yipes - serious jaggies! Where are they from, Michiel?

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    Re: Fun with the A7/7R

    Waiting for my wife to finish physical therapy session I took a stroll around the campus and took a few shots with the A7R+Rokkor-M 28mm f/2.8. Both shot at f/6.3 and raws processed in C1, exported as tiffs, and then resized (50%) for jpg export from LR. The 28 Rokkor is an old beater copy (lens barrel wobbles a bit), but it can still produce OK w/o corner problems.



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    Re: Fun with the A7/7R

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    OT here I am screwed by UPS. My stuff ( adapter and goodies) are stuck in Dallas. Tomorrow

    Grrrrrrrrr. Early happy hour coming

    Hahaha... sorry for the painful waiting you have to endure!

    My a7r just arrived (including a Sony A adapter, and I got a few cheap M adapters yesterday) so I will be doing some testing and trials this weekend...

    My current camera arrangement is a Leica M9 and a slew of lenses and the Sony a900 and a slew of lenses, mostly Leica R, Leitax adapted to the Sony.

    So, one interesting thing is that I can compare the Leica M 50mm e43 Lux on both appropriate cameras, and also the Leica R 50mm Cron on the other two appropriate cameras, for example.

    Pretty much from 18mm (ZM) - 19mm R II through to 50mm, I have comparable lenses in both mounts, except I never got the Lux versions of the R lenses; they were just too expensive to go there, and even worse now...

    Overall, I expect the R lenses to perform better, based on what I have seen and been reading.

    I'll report back with images soon...
    a900, a7r, FE 16-35, FE 70-200 Leica R lenses: 35 f/2, 50 f/2, 60 macro, Minolta 24mm, 35-70 f/4, Sony G 70-300

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    Great shots Mikal. We must provide some counterweight against > 80% a7(R) threads on the first Sony page. I know it's an awesome camera but we're being overfed

    We had a band over at Lunchtime at work, a great show by SX, an up and coming band from Belgium and quite photogenic as well.


    A850 + KM 28-70/2.8G


    A850 + CZ 135/1.8


    NEX6 + E50/1.8


    NEX6 + E50/1.8

    Hope you like em. C&C welcome
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    Shot with the Vario-Elmar-R 1:4.0/70-210 that proved to be quite a handful at 210mm and a lot of wind.
    But I like the colours.





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    Re: Fun with the A7/7R

    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Pfister View Post
    Yipes - serious jaggies! Where are they from, Michiel?
    Just a downsampling/sharpening problem, especially with diagonal lines.
    @ 100% there is no problem.

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    @ Bart, have been there many times. It is such a photogenic place.

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    P,

    I agree. This weekend I am shooting more hip hop at the halftime of a big college basketball game, and then on 1/14/14 I am shooting a Hassidic music festival where three or four nationally known artists will be performing. The Rabbi running the festival doesn't have the coin for a real photographer so I volunteered. I think I may rent another a900, or I may just use an M6 with an 85/2.0 Nikkor and some high speed color slide film, or HP5 b&w.

    Marc (fotografz) is coming to Florida to shoot my son's bar mitzvah so I will get a chance to play around with the A7R. We will see. The good thing is that I don't have the money handy to buy one of those babies. That is a good thing.

    Nice shots by the way. The a850 still acquits itself nicely!!

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    Got my A7R a couple weeks ago, but haven't much chance to get out with it. I did have a business trip to sunny Florida last week and little bit of time to get out and shoot.

    Sony A7R with Contax Zeiss 35-70mm (all but last photo)











    This one is with the Sony Zeiss 35mm f2.8 FE

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    Beautiful set Mark!

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    The photos aren't bad either
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    Thank you Steven and good come back Ben.

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    I spent the last two days, on and off, reading this whole thread; I will definitely be getting an A7. I have to finish a book off first (my partner is very strict about such things...) but I am collecting a number of decent lenses in the meantime.

    I have not seen many Oly shots here, but I have an excellent 28/2.8, 40/2, 50/1.8, 50/2 macro, 50/3.5 macro (I will try both and sell the one I like the least) and can't wait to try them on it. I have been waiting for a camera like this ever since the beginning of digital.
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    Zeiss CY lenses w/A7: First 3: 35-70, 4th: 180/2.8
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    Covent Garden, London. A7 with Sony 28-70mm.













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    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Pfister View Post
    Many thanks, Werner! Looks like your A7R has been getting a serious workout.

    I think you're correct - the shift I saw must be due to multiple stages of JPEG-mangling. And due to the two very different light sources at play, it really is unsuitable image to judge color shift to begin with. My bad!

    If you take your white shot, however, WB in the center and then look at the RGB-values in the corners, you'll be able to tell for sure if there's any shift.

    The reason I asked is because I read that this can be an issue with this lens (at least with the early ZF-version - no idea if there were any changes in coatings, etc. between that and the ZF.2/ZE). Is yours new?
    Hi Ron,

    The Zeiss 18/3.5 is the ZE lens and it is new. Its the DSLR version with Canon mount not the ZM Leica . I think the latter got tested a lot and is not working well on the 7's.

    These "White Shots" are by no means "scientific", there are to may variables not controlled. The lightning, the medium you shot etc...
    The white shot posted eg. was shot very uncontrolled through a white pice of paper against a grey sky (had no time to do it better).

    I did these kind of tests with many Cam/lens combinations (the last one was the RX1) and i have never ever seen a combination that shows full even RGB values for "pure" white or grey anywhere in the frame ( if not completely blown highlights). Theoretically that should be the case of course but there are always small differences in the values.


    Anyhow: For me the Zeiss 18 works perfect.

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    Re: Fun with the A7/7R

    A first test of the lens correction App on the cam:

    The good news is it is working in RAW!!

    Sorry, guys, for the subject, just shots out, no through, my window to show the effect.
    These are RAW's out of LR.
    The corrections in the APP need much more fine-tuning, so don't rate color shift etc.
    Lens was the Elmarit M 21/2.8 @ F 5.6

    Before using the App




    With the App on

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    Werner, perhaps I missed something, but What App ?

    TIA

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    It's hard to resist using my M-lenses on the A7R ...



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    Quote Originally Posted by W.Utsch View Post
    Anyhow: For me the Zeiss 18 works perfect.
    That's really encouraging to hear! Please believe me, I was not trying to rain on your parade in the slightest. I am genuinely interested in the performance of this lens, and what I had read about it regarding edge and corner color-shift was based on an early ZF-example used on an FF Nikon body.
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    Re: Fun with the A7/7R

    Quote Originally Posted by W.Utsch View Post
    A first test of the lens correction App on the cam:

    The good news is it is working in RAW!!

    Sorry, guys, for the subject, just shots out, no through, my window to show the effect.
    These are RAW's out of LR.
    The corrections in the APP need much more fine-tuning, so don't rate color shift etc.
    Lens was the Elmarit M 21/2.8 @ F 5.6
    Thank you!

    Do you happen to have CV12 or 15 lenses?

    Looks like my 2.5cm f/4 W-Nikkor-C will be seeing a lot of action!

    Holy Molly! The camera becomes much more versatile and powerful now!

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    Knorp its the "Lens Correction App" you can download from Sony Playmemories direct via WiFi to your cam.

    Vivek , no i do not have these lenses.
    Took the Elmarit 21 because it as severe color shift for a first test. More tests and adjustments have to follow.
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    Ron,
    everything is Ok, nothing against a discussion

    One more with Zeiss 18/3.5 ZE




    Corners are really good, center super!
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    Quote Originally Posted by W.Utsch View Post
    Knorp its the "Lens Correction App" you can download from Sony Playmemories direct via WiFi to your cam.
    Hey Werner, thank you and I've got it loaded already.
    Now to create some lens profiles

    Kind regards.
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    Re: Fun with the A7/7R

    Quote Originally Posted by Knorp View Post
    Hey Werner, thank you and I've got it loaded already.
    Now to create some lens profiles

    Kind regards.
    I'll be interested to see how you get on . . . will it also deal with the smearing? (that's the $60,000 question!).

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post
    I'll be interested to see how you get on . . . will it also deal with the smearing? (that's the $60,000 question!).
    I think your $60,000 are going to be safe, Jono.
    Can't imagine software correcting a fundamental "hardware" discrepancy.

    Saving you the 60 grant , at least it will make your decision easier ...

    All the best.
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    Just picked up my two Sony NP-FW50 spare batteries.
    Costing me US $30,00 plus US $3,00 for shipping.
    Now, given that they're genuine, how good a deal is that ?

    All the best.
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    Re: Fun with the A7/7R

    Jono,

    smearing correction You can keep your money and buy some other stuff!!

    I have really no time to test the App in a more serious way.
    My first attempts show however, that it is not possible to correct all color shift on such a critical lens like the Elmarit M 21/2.8 i am using so far for testing.
    The color profile of that lens might be to complex and the possibilities of the App to simple. Either you correct to much or to less.....

    The corrections possible are relatively basic you can change:

    Vignetting
    Color: Red/Cyan shift and Blue/Yellow shift
    Ca's (not tested)
    Lens distortion (not tested)

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    Werner, it's great that you're testing this! But it seems to me that besides the convenience factor, one may be better off dealing with all this in post. And there's a very real danger of having the wrong profile enabled in camera, thus ruining one's images. Just thinking out loud…

    Maybe less Bisto is more?
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    Re: Fun with the A7/7R

    Quote Originally Posted by W.Utsch View Post
    Jono,

    smearing correction You can keep your money and buy some other stuff!!

    I have really no time to test the App in a more serious way.
    My first attempts show however, that it is not possible to correct all color shift on such a critical lens like the Elmarit M 21/2.8 i am using so far for testing.
    The color profile of that lens might be to complex and the possibilities of the App to simple. Either you correct to much or to less.....

    The corrections possible are relatively basic you can change:

    Vignetting
    Color: Red/Cyan shift and Blue/Yellow shift
    Ca's (not tested)
    Lens distortion (not tested)
    Thank you Werner & Bart
    To be honest I'm not surprised (or upset). It seems to me that it's best to use the camera with the lenses which it likes (which are lots) rather than beating oneself up with lenses it doesn't like (which aren't so many after all).

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    Re: Fun with the A7/7R

    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Pfister View Post
    Werner, it's great that you're testing this! But it seems to me that besides the convenience factor, one may be better off dealing with all this in post. And there's a very real danger of having the wrong profile enabled in camera, thus ruining one's images. Just thinking out loud…

    Maybe less Bisto is more?
    I totally agree here. Once you screw it up in camera its game over. This LCC stuff is easy in post. Bottom line do what us tech cam folks do shoot your LCC in the field than correct in post. All this plug in crap is not the way to go IMHO.
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    Re: Fun with the A7/7R

    Back to the Zeiss 18mm I had that for my Nikons and its a excellent lens. Nice thing less distortion and easier to correct for it than the famed 21. I really like that lens and corners where very good on it. Today I shoot the Leica 19r which I love and it's getting carried over to the Sony system no doubt about it.

    I vaguely remember doing a review on the 18 but heck if I know where that is. Old man disease. LOL
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    Re: Fun with the A7/7R

    Werner, the corners look much better then my C/Y Zeiss 18/4.





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    Re: Fun with the A7/7R

    You are all right being skeptical with these in cam Apps.
    Sure with the FFP much better results can be achieved.

    Well but we or someone (I) had to try it at least.

    The Leica way with the coding and correcting via perfect profiles is by far better.

    The Zeiss ZE 18 is anyhow much better than the 21 Elmarit M.


    Here are two more with the native 55:






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    Re: Fun with the A7/7R

    Michiel,

    yep, far better corners on the 18/3.5.

    But Ca's are a problem with that lens as well.
    Not as bad as on your example and they are removed, when there is some corner sharpness very easy and complete in LR.

    Guy:
    Would love the Leica 19 R but that lens is still incredible expensive and much bulkier and heavier than the Zeiss.

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