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    Pike Place Market, Seattle. A7 with Sony Zeiss 55mm f/1.8.











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    Well spotted woodmancy, I think I would just walk by it without seeing it, thanks for sharing.

    Yesterday was January 10, 10th day of the year so a good excuse to try some 10 mm shots.
    Here's two during twilight of the Wijnegem lock in the King Albert Canal in Belgium.





    Both NEX6 + E10-18/4 @ 10 mm

    I couldn't decide which one of these I like better, so I posted them both

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    Some more from the Ziggo Dome. (A music hall)





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    Are you kidding me???? 6400 ISO??????
    That is amazing.
    I suspect is I read this entire thread I'd know the answer to this question Are you using the A7 or the A7r ?

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    Hi Monty. A7, but I'm sure it would be the same with the A7r
    Truly amazing detail and no noise that I can see.
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    Wild Exmoor ponies. A7r and 55/1.8.


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    Some from the morning stroll... all with the 28-70 which I have tamed but not mastered. Taming involves always either using MF or 'double press AF' and always using a higher shutter speed than feels necessary...





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    Quote Originally Posted by m_driscoll View Post
    Pike Place Market, Seattle. A7 with Sony Zeiss 55mm f/1.8.

    (...)

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    Matt: Nice sets again lately. Particularly like, how you captered just the opportune moment in the first one of the last series.

    Quote Originally Posted by tashley View Post
    Some from the morning stroll... all with the 28-70 which I have tamed but not mastered. Taming involves always either using MF or 'double press AF' and always using a higher shutter speed than feels necessary...

    (...)
    Tim: Nice composition and colours, especially in the first one, IMO.
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    A7R+CV35/1.2II



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    Ben: Particularly like the first one - also a perfect fit to the one of your daughter (?) on the swing you shared a few days ago.
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    Bent tree. A7R + Samyang 24mm f/3.5 TS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scho View Post
    Bent tree. A7R + Samyang 24mm f/3.5 TS.
    Carl, very sharp from near to far. It would be interesting (to me) to see the EXIF data and tilt settings for the tilt-shift images. Keep 'em coming.

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    +1.

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    Nice catch Matt! I will have to visit Pike Place one of these days. Too bad, it is so far from NYC!

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    Pike Place Market, Seattle. A7 with Sony Zeiss 55mm f/1.8.



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    A7R + Noctilux 50mm F1 Version 3 (E60 detachable hood) test





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    Really bad weather here. Test shot with A7 and Voigtlander close focus adapter at new MFD with Nikkor 85mm f2 LTM shot wide open.



    Hoping the lens works as well stopped down a bit at farther distances.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Colson View Post
    Carl, very sharp from near to far. It would be interesting (to me) to see the EXIF data and tilt settings for the tilt-shift images. Keep 'em coming.

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    Thanks Joe, Tilt setting is same (approx. 1.1 to 1.2, or just "a hair past 1" downward tilt) for all of the images that I've posted so far. Working height was about 114 cm. on my tripod. Aperture was f/11 for most shots. You can access the exif data by clicking once on any image to bring up the linked larger size image and then type command e (Mac) and a small window overlay with exif data will appear. I used the spreadsheet provided at the Northlight link that I posted earlier to calculate tilt for each of my tripod height settings and then printed the table on a small card that I keep in the camera bag.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scho View Post
    Thanks Joe, Tilt setting is same (approx. 1.1 to 1.2, or just "a hair past 1") for all of the images that I've posted so far. Working height was about 114 cm. on my tripod. You can access the exif data by clicking once on any image to bring up the linked larger size image and then type command e (Mac) and a small window overlay with exif data will appear. I used the spreadsheet provided at the Northlight link that I posted earlier to calculate tilt for each of my tripod height settings and then printed the table on a small card that I keep in the camera bag.
    Carl, because it's a non-native lens, the EXIF doesn't pick up the aperture. Are you shooting all of these at f/11? I'm using Exif Viewer 2.0 to view EXIF in Firefox. Thanks again. Good stuff!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Colson View Post
    Carl, because it's a non-native lens, the EXIF doesn't pick up the aperture. Are you shooting all of these at f/11? I'm using Exif Viewer 2.0 to view EXIF in Firefox. Thanks again. Good stuff!

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    Yes, I think that all except one or two images were at f/11 and the others at f/8. I didn't vary tripod height on this series and made sure that camera and tripod were level. I may start batching my shots on import through exif editor to add aperture, tripod ht, and lens tilt/shift data - my memory recall isn't so great anymore.
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    First outing with the A7 and 55/1.8

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    Hi Todd
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    Is it just me, or are most of these images look spectacular?
    It's because people like Tim Ashley, Son, Matt and Ashwin are all posting, and some of them are in nice places!
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    Am I just suffering from GAS, or is there something to it? I did get to handle these and was surprised at how much I liked the A7/zoom combo. It was shower to AF than the EM1, but…those files...
    It's just GAS . . . . but if it's any consolation, I now have the A7/zoom and the E-M1 with the 12-40, I should only keep one, but it's causing me some anguish. I'm not having much trouble with the AF on the A7, and the files are lovely. The kit lens is also great . . . but not, I think, on the A7r, so if you want the combo with the kit lens I'd stick to the A7r.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tashley View Post
    Some from the morning stroll... all with the 28-70 which I have tamed but not mastered. Taming involves always either using MF or 'double press AF' and always using a higher shutter speed than feels necessary...
    Fantastic Tim - I love the recapitulation of the shape . . . . . and then the realisation that it's a breast .

    As for the kit zoom - I was taking grab shots of bridges on the A7 whilst Emma was driving up the motorway today - only once missed focus - whatever the cause, it must be an A7 / A7r distinction

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    Fantastic Tim - I love the recapitulation of the shape . . . . . and then the realisation that it's a breast .

    As for the kit zoom - I was taking grab shots of bridges on the A7 whilst Emma was driving up the motorway today - only once missed focus - whatever the cause, it must be an A7 / A7r distinction

    All the best
    I think one of the things which has surprised me most with the A7 in the few hours I have had it is the AF which in my experience, even in dark rooms (testing last night) has been surprisingly fast. So fast in fact that I've taken shots when not meaning to and they are in focus. Below is a case in point.

    I was facing away from the railway line when I heard the hiss of a train behind me. I turned and instinctively framed and shot but this must have been in quite literally a split second. The lens was wide open at f1.8 and the shutter fired at 1/5000. I am amazed that in such a minute space of time focus and metering were accurate.

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    I would imagine some of the softness is down to f1.8 but even so this is remarkable and unexpected. For example my RX1 probably would not have coped.

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    I purchased a 50mm Leitz 50mm f2 uncoated Summar some years ago to use with the M8, which I no longer have. I bought it with a specific picture in mind: shooting it wide open at f2 in the fog, to get that soft glow around things that old uncoated lenses seem to provide. Finally had the opportunity to use it on the A7R. We had brutally cold weather here so that the tidal salt water bay froze. Then we had a sudden warm spell. The fog rose off the bay, and I shot this at f 2. Some additional atmosphere added in Mystical Lighting PP.
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    Nice catch Matt! I will have to visit Pike Place one of these days. Too bad, it is so far from NYC!
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    On the way back from work.
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    Experimenting with the Mamiya 200 MM F2.8 APO on A7. Mounted via Fotodiox adapter. Quality of the adapter is ok, but not great. The fit is not "airtight". This was the only brand I could find for Mamiya 645 to Sony Nex - if someone knows of an alternate, please let me know.

    I know pictures are boring - the weather is dull and rainy here. Tree was focused on the right branch on a small central area.

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    Hi Rafel
    These are lovely. A7 (or R)

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    Hi Todd

    It's just GAS . . . . but if it's any consolation, I now have the A7/zoom and the E-M1 with the 12-40, I should only keep one, but it's causing me some anguish. I'm not having much trouble with the AF on the A7, and the files are lovely. The kit lens is also great . . . but not, I think, on the A7r, so if you want the combo with the kit lens I'd stick to the A7r.

    All the best
    I keep going back and forth. I still have good u4/3 glass and shoot the GH3, though mostly video. I was about to pull the trigger on the EM1 but held off. It feels a bit better in my hands than the A7, and my head says EM1 since I've got a good set of lenses (12-35/2.8, 35-100/2.8, 25/1.4, 45/1.8) and also the GM1 which is a fun little camera. My head says that staying in the same "family" gives the most bang for the buck, and the touchscreen on the EM1 makes for quicker shooting and the IBIS solves a lot of issues in low light and for run-and-gun video. I find the IBIS works better than the Panny OIS.

    Plus I've never quite gotten on with Sony, and have somewhat of a bias about the company. Not sure why, but brands are funny that way. That said, when I look through the various forums here I see spectacular shots with any of the systems (since the shooters are *very* good), but for some reason the ones in this thread seem to stand out. I do have a 135/2 L lens that I'm not using that could go away and make up the difference between them. But while the GH3 is the work camera, the next one I buy will be the fun camera, so perhaps logic shouldn't carry the day. That said, GAS clouds the mind of even the strongest individual
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    A7 + 50 Lux ASPH test shot



    A7 + 24 Elmar ASPH test shot



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    This is exactly the type of shot that I want to be able to get. Crappy lighting so likely very high ISO, but enough dynamic range so the stage lights aren't totally blown out and you can still get detail from the shadows. This is one area where I think u4/3 struggles - if I protect the highlights then the shadows become a mess and vice versa.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nostatic View Post
    This is exactly the type of shot that I want to be able to get. Crappy lighting so likely very high ISO, but enough dynamic range so the stage lights aren't totally blown out and you can still get detail from the shadows. This is one area where I think u4/3 struggles - if I protect the highlights then the shadows become a mess and vice versa.
    Yeah that's pretty much straight out the camera at ISO 6400 and f/4. There's some noise at 100% but it can be cleaned up reasonably well very easily. The color are pretty much like this out the camera.

    That being said I've used my M9 in the same conditions and made it work. The pictures weren't always as clean but they worked for what I needed them for.
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    Yeah that's pretty much straight out the camera at ISO 6400 and f/4. There's some noise at 100% but it can be cleaned up reasonably well. The color are pretty much like this out the camera.
    To make a valid comparison with m4/3 (as mentioned by the poster above):
    The same DOF would require f/2 with the smaller sensor and the ISO could then be reduced to 1600. Since an E-M1 at ISO 1600 is vastly superior to any of the two A7 bodies at ISO 6400, the Olympus would be the better camera for this particular shot. The E-M1 obviously also adds IBIS to the equation, adding the possibility of reducing the ISO further for static subjects.

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    Ben: Particularly like the first one - also a perfect fit to the one of your daughter (?) on the swing you shared a few days ago.
    Thanks Hermann. Both of those shots where taken at the same place whilst on holiday. The colour of the sky and the water there were beautiful. Only get there once a year over Christmas normally though.

    And yes it's my daughter. She gets mistaken for a boy all the time the poor little bugger. Would help if her hair would grow.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jorgen Udvang View Post
    To make a valid comparison with m4/3 (as mentioned by the poster above):
    The same DOF would require f/2 with the smaller sensor and the ISO could then be reduced to 1600. Since an E-M1 at ISO 1600 is vastly superior to any of the two A7 bodies at ISO 6400, the Olympus would be the better camera for this particular shot. The E-M1 obviously also adds IBIS to the equation, adding the possibility of reducing the ISO further for static subjects.

    Just sayin'
    People aren't static in concert settings and I could very easily put my 35/1.2 lens (or just about any FF lens out there) on the A7 or A7r to cover the ISO concerns or I could've shot it at a lower ISO. I was mostly testing to see how clean I could go. Most of my shots were in the ISO 1600-3200 range at f/4.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HiredArm View Post
    People aren't static in concert settings and I could very easily put my 35/1.2 lens on the A7 or A7r to cover the ISO concerns or I could've shot it at a lower ISO... I was mostly testing to see how clean I could go. Most of my shots were in the ISO 1600-3200 range at f/4.
    There will obviously always be varied options for the two systems. What I'm pointing out is that the two Sony bodies aren't much better suited for than an E-M1 for low light photography. The 17.5mm f/0.95 will do away with some of the advantage the A7/r might have with an f/1.2 lens. The advantage to either camera will vary with focal lengths and available lenses for that length obviously.

    As for myself, I stay with m4/3 because of the available native lenses. With current technology, I don't see the the sensor size difference between 35mm and m4/3 as significant for my use anymore. Others have different needs and opinions obviously.

    For extreme low light photography: See Nikon Df/D4... or a Fuji with a Speed Booster, making your f/1.2 become f/0.85 and a Noct into a rather speedy f/0.7
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    There will obviously always be varied options for the two systems. What I'm pointing out is that the two Sony bodies aren't much better suited for than an E-M1 for low light photography. The 17.5mm f/0.95 will do away with some of the advantage the A7/r might have with an f/1.2 lens. The advantage to either camera will vary with focal lengths and available lenses for that length obviously.

    For extreme low light photography: See Nikon Df/D4
    Some yes but not all and one could put a Noctilux on an A7/r. The bottom line is one can't argue physics when needed despite however much Micro 4/3 has come (and I still love my G1.) It's more than adequate for most applications no doubt but when a larger sensor is needed or wanted then you just need a larger sensor. Believe me the GF1 really made me want an M9 more for those instances.

    Yes the Nikon D4 and Df are great/ capable cameras as well (although you can't adapt just about any lens ever made to it) but there's a forum to sing it's praises already.
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    The bottom line is one can't argue physics...
    Which is probably one of the reasons why the A7/r don't have IBIS and why there's no f/0.95 lens available in A-mount and why the Leica variety costs $11,000 and so on.

    The main advantages with the A7/r is that they represent a lot of pixels in a small package and that they are a lot of fun for photo enthusiasts. Herein lies the challenge for Sony. When all the enthusiasts have bought theirs, can they come up with a new model that have enough improvements to sell to the same buyers once more?
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    Some from the morning stroll... all with the 28-70 which I have tamed but not mastered. Taming involves always either using MF or 'double press AF' and always using a higher shutter speed than feels necessary...
    The evidence seems to suggest that if you pair a 28-70 with an A7 you'll avoid these quirks, complications and the hassles of using it with an A7r.

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    I'm a lot of fun I just recognize and respect that people have different needs.
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    Which is probably one of the reasons why the A7/r don't have IBIS and why there's no f/0.95 lens available in A-mount and why the Leica variety costs $11,000 and so on.

    The main advantages with the A7/r is that they represent a lot of pixels in a small package and that they are a lot of fun for photo enthusiasts. Herein lies the challenge for Sony. When all the enthusiasts have bought theirs, can they come up with a new model that have enough improvements to sell to the same buyers once more?
    What improvements are you suggesting that are needed. There are things that are subjectively a problem to individuals but it's not universal to all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jorgen Udvang View Post
    There will obviously always be varied options for the two systems. What I'm pointing out is that the two Sony bodies aren't much better suited for than an E-M1 for low light photography. The 17.5mm f/0.95 will do away with some of the advantage the A7/r might have with an f/1.2 lens. The advantage to either camera will vary with focal lengths and available lenses for that length obviously.

    As for myself, I stay with m4/3 because of the available native lenses. With current technology, I don't see the the sensor size difference between 35mm and m4/3 as significant for my use anymore. Others have different needs and opinions obviously.

    For extreme low light photography: See Nikon Df/D4... or a Fuji with a Speed Booster, making your f/1.2 become f/0.85 and a Noct into a rather speedy f/0.7
    I still have my NEX E-mount Speedbooster and a plethora of fast 50's that would be equivalent to f/0.95 and less on my A7R. Even utilizing the APS-C crop mode the resulting files would be the equivalent of the E-M1 in terms of Megapixel size! Just think of the A7r as the Swiss army knife of FF cameras! .

    P.S don't forget the NEX E-mount was the original speedbooster design!

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    One last train pic...

    12-shot stitch with the Canon 50mm 1.8 II



    The focus magnifier is definitely one of the highlights of the camera - perfect focus every time.

    Awesome detail - death of MFDB ?





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    As a side note - the camera is clearly not water resistant; after 20 minutes shooting in light rain the aperture dial stopped working.

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    Pike Place Market, Seattle. A7 with Sony Zeiss 55mm f/1.8.















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