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Interesting about mirrorless

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Vivek

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I’m sure that some are going to misinterpret or misquote this article, and accuse me of being a DSLR-apologist or something.
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I have 0 respect for his views especially after the ruckus he created after some so called workshop in South America. He should stick to his guide books for Nikon gear.
 
Jorgen Udvang

Jorgen Udvang

Subscriber Member
He indeed tends to be unbalanced in his views, but I think he's more careful in this article, maybe because he has criticized Nikon in particular for their model policies the last few years.
 
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Vivek

Guest
Jorgen, With the whole industry in turmoil, it is anyone's guess how things will develop. It is just a matter of finding something that is "comforting" to read to reinforce one's own current views. :)
 
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fotografz

Well-known member
Jorgen Udvang said:
Thom Hogan has many viewpoints, and I don't always agree with him, but he presents some sensible thoughts in this article about mirrorless cameras. Well worth reading.

The Good News, Bad News Mirrorless Problem | Sans Mirror — mirrorless, interchangeable lens cameras | Thom Hogan
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Frankly, while I have no opinion regarding the author one way or the other, in this specific case, I tend to agree with him just based on this considered POV.

All of my Mirror-less (with EVF) experiences have been a mixed bag.

I think it is really cool that you can adapt so many optics to the Sony mirror-less cameras, but that is a side novelty for a lot of photography I do for both pay and pleasure. Nothing really new, I also adapted quite a few favored lenses to Canon EOS DSLRs in past: Leica R, Contax C/Y, AF Contax N.

While small is cool, it amazes me that reduction didn't lead to simplicity and elegance. In Sony's case the camera's have become incredibly complex sporting a dog's breakfast menu. With the A7R they provided a massive FF meg count, then massaged the RAW file poorly, and put a shutter in it that rivals a MF mirror flap to further negate the massive meg count. :wtf:

The faster prime lenses everyone wants/needs have been slow coming and turn out to be gigantic. As they have added some features like IBIS, the A7 cameras are getting bigger. I do not know how the later A cameras work, but the lag of the A7R is a real drag ... Decisive Moment photography requires shooting before the moment even happens.

For me, the bloom is off the rose with Mirror-less. If I had the time and resources to dedicate myself to yet another gear debacle, I'd just get a D810 and a few nice primes.

- Marc
 
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Vivek

Guest
There is a big chunk of photographers who would never ever go back to DSLRs, come what may. D81000, etc have absolutely no chance among them.
 
V

Vivek

Guest
Well, I have my reasons (only applies to me).

My passion lies in UV photography. Live view (with an EVF) is a must for this. All the struggles of blind shooting with DSLRs are well behind me.

The next is street photography. Compactness (yes, I have compact lenses that perform) is key. I do not have any problems with shutter lag. There are even very refreshing choices with completely silent shooting possibilities.

It has never been better as it is now with the mirrorless cams. I am enjoying it. :)
 
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fotografz

Well-known member
Vivek said:
There is a big chunk of photographers who would never ever go back to DSLRs, come what may. D81000, etc have absolutely no chance among them.
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"Big Chunk" is a relative term. Not many cameras are selling in big chucks no matter what kind they are.

The only Big Chunk in photography today is Smart Phones and Go Pros.

Don't care what others do or don't do ... if they don't get the mirror-less stuff to perform on par with the DSLRs for certain applications, I'll switch back in a New York heart beat.

BTW, I know a "Big Chunk" of photographers that are coming to the same conclusion.:eek:

So it's my Big Chunk verses your Big Chunk ... both of which are anecdotal evidence at best :rolleyes:


- Marc
 
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fotografz

Well-known member
Vivek said:
Yes. You still are not buying that clunky D81000 you seem charmed with. :)
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Sorry, I don't know what a D81000 is.

"Clunky" is also a relative term ...

The only "Clunky" I've experienced of late is the Mamiya RZ style shutter slap of the A7R ... who's theme line should have been: " Now you don't need a big Medium Format camera to sound like you're using one,":ROTFL:

Then there's the Clunky Sony menu set-up, and the new Clunky FE AF primes , and the Clunky EVF lag and smearing in lower light.

Sony's Cornucopia is spilling out a cavalcade of "almost" cameras designed to charm the technophiles into a new camera with every change of underwear.

IMO, the only camera that's charming is one in the hands of a charming woman.;)

- Marc
 
Jorgen Udvang

Jorgen Udvang

Subscriber Member
Brand new A7R are down to $1,550 from Hong Kong sellers with free international shipping on eBay now. My local pusher has three second hand ones for sale, from $1,100 to $1,200 (including a 15-20% commission to the shop). Launch price was $2,300 in the US and more here in Thailand. These cameras are hardly more than a year old.

When I bought my 6 months old D810, I paid 20% below new price at the same shop, and that was considered a low price by all involved.
 
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Vivek

Guest
I bought a new pair of shoes for 150 Euros at a sale. It has 0 resale value now. Still serves me wonderfully!
 
V

Vivek

Guest
Would love to visit Thailand for photography. Say what, I will bring my D300 and assorted Nikon bits that I failed to sell on time and do not use anymore and they have pretty much no monetary value for a pair of shoes at Bangkok prices. ;)

A pair of flip-flops will do. :)
 
Jorgen Udvang

Jorgen Udvang

Subscriber Member
Flip-flops are pretty universal tools for walking, just like the D300 is for photography. They both have some serious limitations, but the users hardly seem to notice :)
 
Tim

Tim

Active member
While the author has written of his experiences, his issues and experience is not mine. If you are not alerted to a problem then its not an issue. I worked within the bounds of my A7 and EM5 and adapted to what I was given by the maker.

I find with all products, its the duty of the user to try to adapt to the item to a certain degree. If you can't or won't, fine, move on.

All cameras have their pros and cons. Discern between them and choose your instrument but don't compare them.

I disagree with his idea that DSLR's are the new medium format. I think its the other way around, the mirrorless are.
 
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Vivek

Guest
Tim, AFAIK he is a professional reviewer of camera gear. I do not think he cares to understand the salient features or the restrictions from an user point of view.

I agree with your point that the mirrorless are the new medium format.

Stefan's T/S adapter is an attestment to that!
 
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