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    Re: "Capturing Infrared"

    Sony NEX7 665nm, Zeiss Touit 12mm



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    Don, The preset works out for me. I like doing everything in LR (until it is time to go to Photoshop). Click, click, click. I can always go back and start over, which is the biggest advantage to me.
    There is no right way to do this, and that is part of the fun. We all have to find what works for us.

    Quote Originally Posted by Don Libby View Post
    Cindy, I finally tried the like you shared awhile back to set a custom profile. I watched the video on how to do it and was left with the impression that while it might work what happens is that you are setting what you "think" the white balance is or should be. While it helps in resetting the white balance after the setting is saved and opened in LR it nevertheless is not an exact file of what the camera actually captured - it might be close. While it does give more room to work in I'd rather keep doing what I've been doing; that is opening my files in Sony software, saving the RAW file to a Tiff. It might be more time consuming however I know the Tiff is an exact file of what the camera took. I then open the file in either C1 or PS CC for processing.

    I've also found that while I can not duplicate the WB of either a 665 or 720 I can come very close to 830nm; but not close enough.

    Photographing in infrared is exciting yet very time consuming but I wouldn't trade it. If I ever have a Graham moment with my IQ160 that just might turn into an IR back .

    There so much great work here that if I don't visit everyday I feel I loose out.


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    Cindy - Really like the truck!
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    Re: "Capturing Infrared"

    Finally taking a short break from shooting in Jackson Hole catching up on light processing and getting a chance to spend some quality time here.

    Thor - Post #110 (it's easier for me to do it this way as I'm so far behind)

    That first image in the post is beautiful. Like the shadows, colors and the slight sense of movement.

    scho - Post #112 - My favorite lens when I shot the NEX-7 was the 12mm Touit. Great image and processing.

    Cindy - Post #113 - bad news...I had ordered both the 12 and 32mm when they were first released and had to return the 32 due to very poor performance with hot spots.

    scho - Post #122 - just a minor plug for LifePixel. I've now had several cameras converted by them and in each case the communication and workmanship was excellent. I've had no qualms in referring people to them and am now an affiliate of theirs. If you want more information of their services please visit our blog and click on the link on the right column.

    Graham - Post #123 & 124. I hesitate to say this however, I do like the Palouse Round Barn and wonder what it would look like with just a little bit more contrast. The Gain Storage is spot on.

    scho - Post #129 - not much to say here other than very nice! Really like the second with the reflections in the water. Well done.

    scho - Post #135 - Excellent!

    alajuela - Post #140 & 141 & 142 - very nice! Glad we have a "Home" as well. Now you have me thinking of the possibilities of the IQ160!

    Rafael - Post #143 WOW! I'm finding I really like what IR does to horses and wildlife.

    Cindy - Post #146 One word - Stunning (anything else would only be less)

    scho - Post #149 again like what you've done.

    The great thing in shooting IR is the unexpected. While I can see what the sensor sees in using the A7r or any other mirrorless camera the great part is in opening the file and beginning to process it. C1-Pro does well as does Photoshop and I would be lost if I did have the Nik software suite.

    I also wish to thank all those who expressed kind words for the sample I've posted. We're about to head out again and the next couple days will be busy/crazy so don't know if I'll be visiting much if at all. Please keep up the good work and keep posting.

    Sorry that this got so long......
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    Skies were really "hot" today producing deep, inky blue/black IR tones. Looking higher up in the sky was like peering into the blackness of outer space. Three shots below from a walk on the waterfront trail with the NEX 5N-IR (720) and Touit 12mm.





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    Thank you for the compliments, Don!

    What I love the most in IR is that the usual muted RAW canvas that I start with is full of surprises. A slight change of WB, a push on a slider here and there, flipping the channels, varying the amount of hues lead me to a potpourri of colors.

    Best, probably is let the images speak for themselves:

    #1 Brooklyn Botanical Garden (Sigma DP1 + 550nm)



    #2 Wedding at the Central Park (Sigma DP1 + 550nm IR)



    #3 Sailing (Sigma DP1 + 550nm)



    #4 Nuts for Nuts (Sony NEX-3 + 590nm)



    #5 Snug Harbor, Staten Island (Sigma DP1 + 550nm)



    #6 Batangas, Philippines (Nikon D40x + 720nm)



    #7 Under a mango tree (Nikon D40x + 720nm)

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    Thor, I love your work. I especially like the 550nm filter! You are very creative with your conversions.

    Carl, You are really shooting some beautiful IR with that Zeiss Touit.

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    Re: "Capturing Infrared"

    Sony NEX7 665nm
    Turtle


    What is it????


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    Re: "Capturing Infrared"

    Hi

    This is not infrared - but to give you an idea of a shot on a full spectrum camera - still can shot "normal" and this one with no hot mirror.

    Shot in a Lane in Shanghai - Fuji X-Pro 1 Converted to Full Spectrum with no hot mirror
    52.7mm f5.6 1/125 iso 800



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    Re: "Capturing Infrared"

    Now I get it, after looking at the man's shirt. It looks just like a photo from my former M8 without the cut IR filter on the lens.
    So, if you put a cut IR filter on the lens, you can use it like a regular camera? Then if you put a 665nm filter on the lens, it can be false color?
    Is there any downside to doing this to a camera?

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    Re: "Capturing Infrared"

    Quote Originally Posted by Cindy Flood View Post
    Now I get it, after looking at the man's shirt. It looks just like a photo from my former M8 without the cut IR filter on the lens.
    So, if you put a cut IR filter on the lens, you can use it like a regular camera? Then if you put a 665nm filter on the lens, it can be false color?
    Is there any downside to doing this to a camera?
    Hi Cindy

    Yes if you put a hot mirror filter (which is an UV / IR cut filter) on the front of the lens, then yes it is "back to normal" visible light.

    And yes - on a full spectrum camera you can put the IR cut filter of your choice 580 (I think there is one in the 500nm range)- 650 - 720 - 820 etc. The only downside would be; you need to get step up rings (assuming you get a 77mm - which I advise) and also remember to take both the filter and correct step up ring.

    I have been told that there are advantages (better detail) to the having the hot mirror on the lens as opposed to the sensor, but I am not that technical.

    Also - I have been told for B&W conversion - shooting full spectrum gives you a more detailed image than a camera with a hot mirror.

    Here are two hot mirrors that I know of

    B+W 77mm UV/IR Cut 486M MRC Filter 66-031976 B&H Photo Video

    Hot Mirror UVIR Cut Filter | Kolari Vision Infrared Conversion Service and IR Photography

    I have both and like the Kolari better - I got one from them when they converted my Fuji X-Pro 1

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    Thank you, Cindy! Emulating the Kodak Infrared Ektachrome film is something that I really like doing in IR. The 720nm can also pull it off with the right amount of channel mixer adjustments.

    Here is another one from Sigma DP1 + 550nm:

    Hollywood Forever Memorial Park (Hollywood, LA)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cindy Flood View Post
    Thor, I love your work. I especially like the 550nm filter! You are very creative with your conversions.

    Carl, You are really shooting some beautiful IR with that Zeiss Touit.
    Thanks Cindy. The 12mm Touit has become my favorite lens on the IR NEX.
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    Re: "Capturing Infrared"

    This is from my Full Spectrum G1 with the 14-45 (which produced some hotspots under certain combinations of focal length and orientation of the sun) with the 650 nm external filter







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    Quote Originally Posted by scho View Post
    Thanks Cindy. The 12mm Touit has become my favorite lens on the IR NEX.
    I all but had the same lens welded to my NEX7. Great lens!
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    Re: "Capturing Infrared"

    Been working 10-12 hr days the past week and decided enough is enough. Of course it helps that we don't have a cloud in the sky...

    One of the things I like to do is "smoke" water. Even more fun when it's done in IR. Both taken with the Sony A7r (IR) using a FE 70-200mm lens at 200 on tripod and remote shutter release.


    f/22 0.4 ISO 50


    f/22 1/6 ISO 50
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    Re: "Capturing Infrared"

    Having been inspired by the imaginative and creative photographs in this thread, I had a Sony a7R converted to IR by Life Pixel. Enhanced IR (665nm). Still working on a repeatable process. Thanks to Don Libby for sharing some of his files with me while I was waiting on my camera. This is from yesterday afternoon at Yates Mill in Raleigh.



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    Congratulations, Joe. What a fantastic IR machine you have in the A7r and WATE.

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    Re: "Capturing Infrared"

    Hi

    Well - some info - On the Fuji - the 18 - 55mm presents you at no added charge a "Hot Spot" when shooting with an B+W 092 or 093. In C1 not difficult to fix - (still hoping they put opacity controls on their layers).

    The Fuji 35 - is fantastic, and also shot a Canon 135 f3.5 RF - I was not thrilled - softer than expected - will try the Canon again.

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    Phil

    Fuji 14, 18 and 35mm all work well. 55-200 too. The 18 & zoom only get hot spots when stopped down past f/8. Rockinon 8mm fish works ok too.

    18-55 & 10-24 not so great. 60mm no go. I haven't tried my 23 or 27mm.
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    Xpro1 & 14mm 720nm filter:

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    Re: "Capturing Infrared"

    Quote Originally Posted by GrahamWelland View Post
    Phil

    Fuji 14, 18 and 35mm all work well. 55-200 too. The 18 & zoom only get hot spots when stopped down past f/8. Rockinon 8mm fish works ok too.

    18-55 & 10-24 not so great. 60mm no go. I haven't tried my 23 or 27mm.
    Thank you Graham -- This is good information. Think I will get a prime wide - 14 or 18.

    Best

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    Re: "Capturing Infrared"

    Another Fuji 14mm IR on XPro1 with 720nm



    The 14mm is probably my favourite IR lens for this system. No hot spot at all.
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    Graham,

    I like this image a lot! to too over the top as far as infrared effect.

    What infrared conversion did you have done to your camera, and which company?
    Thanks,

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cindy Flood View Post
    Congratulations, Joe. What a fantastic IR machine you have in the A7r and WATE.
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    New attempt. It is hard getting a suitable B&W picture with the Super Color. I don't feel like using (and buying) filters. Let's wait till I learn more. I like this one tho.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uaiomex View Post
    New attempt. It is hard getting a suitable B&W picture with the Super Color. I don't feel like using (and buying) filters. Let's wait till I learn more. I like this one tho.
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    I like what you did to this. Left just a bit of color and made it very interesting.
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    Re: "Capturing Infrared"

    Quote Originally Posted by GrahamWelland View Post
    Phil

    Fuji 14, 18 and 35mm all work well. 55-200 too. The 18 & zoom only get hot spots when stopped down past f/8. Rockinon 8mm fish works ok too.

    18-55 & 10-24 not so great. 60mm no go. I haven't tried my 23 or 27mm.

    Hi Graham

    Has anybody had any experience with the 56mm 1.2?

    Please let me know when you try the 23 and 27

    Thanks

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    Re: "Capturing Infrared"

    Same subject as before. Different color treatment. Different lens.



    And a b&w version.



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    Joe,
    Now you are talking! I like this color treatment a lot, and the black and white is stunning!

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    Re: "Capturing Infrared"

    A 9-shot (vertically shot) panorama from the terrace of our Chateau.
    Panasonic G1, FS modified, with 650 nm external filter
    The original stitch is 52 Mpx



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    Sword Gate in Historic Charleston, SC SNOB area.

    Panasonic G1 665nm and Oly 12-40 f/2.8
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    I posted earlier in this thread about using a neutral/warm icc profile for soft proofing and toning IR images. I've created a few more profiles for neutral, warm, cool, and selenium tones. They are available for download as a zip archive for those that want to experiment. You can use them for soft proofing in either LR or CS6 by putting the profiles in your Colorsync>Profiles folder where they can be accessed. To create a toned image just open the image in CS6 and use Convert to profile with the absolute color rendering option. You can also create blends by stacking toned images in layers and adjusting layer opacity to get the tone blend you want. Sample images below using the pure tone profiles. Here is a dropbox image stack psd file created from an IR image and toned variants (warning LARGE file download).

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    Re: "Capturing Infrared"

    Thank you, Carl. That is very generous of you to share.

    This is a photo from Downtown Charleston using Carl's Selenium tone.
    Panasonic G1 665nm and Panasonic 14-42mm
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    Thank you, Carl. That is very generous of you to share.

    This is a photo from Downtown Charleston using Carl's Selenium tone.
    Panasonic G1 665nm and Panasonic 14-42mm
    You are welcome Cindy. I made these profiles primarily for soft proofing when processing images for printing with QTR, but they also work well for toning.
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    Re: "Capturing Infrared"

    I usually do toning with the Split Toning panel in LR, but Carl's profiles are a quick way to get a nice toned look. This photo is toned with his warm profile.

    Panasonic G1 665nm, Panasonic 14-42mm

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    Re: "Capturing Infrared"

    This spooky image was processed in LR and in NIK COLOR EFEX (midnight preset) and then again in LR for split toning ...
    Shot with FS G1 with external 850 nm filter



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    Granite Creek Falls north of Jackson WY. 720nm, f/22 1/5 ISO 50 with a FE 24-70 at 70mm.

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    Re: "Capturing Infrared"

    Quote Originally Posted by scho View Post
    I posted earlier in this thread about using a neutral/warm icc profile for soft proofing and toning IR images. I've created a few more profiles for neutral, warm, cool, and selenium tones. They are available for download as a zip archive for those that want to experiment. You can use them for soft proofing in either LR or CS6 by putting the profiles in your Colorsync>Profiles folder where they can be accessed. To create a toned image just open the image in CS6 and use Convert to profile with the absolute color rendering option. You can also create blends by stacking toned images in layers and adjusting layer opacity to get the tone blend you want. Sample images below using the pure tone profiles. Here is a dropbox image stack psd file created from an IR image and toned variants (warning LARGE file download).
    Thanks a lot Carl. I'll give the profiles a try.

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    Just a final example of how the curves used to generate the soft proofing icc profiles I posted are actually employed when making split tone prints via QuadTone RIP. You can use up to three different printing curves to make split tones and more importantly, you can vary the blend of tones in highlights, mid tones, and shadows. This screen grab shows the QTR driver in LR set up for a print I was making on Hahnemuhle Photo Rag Satin where I wanted selenium toned deep shadows, warm mid tones, and neutral/warm highlights. Tonal transitions are blended by the QTR driver and are very smooth in the print.

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    Carl, thanks for the info on Quad Tone RIP. I am not currently using a RIP, and the QTR option appears to offer everything I'd need at an unbeatable price.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Colson View Post
    Carl, thanks for the info on Quad Tone RIP. I am not currently using a RIP, and the QTR option appears to offer everything I'd need at an unbeatable price.

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    You are welcome Joe. If you use a Mac, I have a nice QTR tutorial that Lou Dina wrote up when we were making profiles for the Epson 1400 a couple of years ago.
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    A few NEX5N-IR (720) shots taken with the Touit 12 today at Cornell's Newman Arboretum.







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    Quote Originally Posted by scho View Post
    You are welcome Joe. If you use a Mac, I have a nice QTR tutorial that Lou Dina wrote up when we were making profiles for the Epson 1400 a couple of years ago.
    I am a Mac user and would love to read your tutorial.

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    Carl,
    The first one is spectacular. Those clouds are amazing!


    Quote Originally Posted by scho View Post
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    I am a Mac user and would love to read your tutorial.

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    Here is my dropbox link to the QTR Tutorial

    It was written by Lou Dina and I provided some of the profiles. You can also download it from the Files section on the Yahoo Groups QuadToneRIP website. This is also a good site to visit for additional info and updates concerning printing with QTR.
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    Carl,
    The first one is spectacular. Those clouds are amazing!
    Thanks Cindy. A nice fresh cold front that swept out the heat and humidity also brought in some nice clouds.
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    Nex7 665nm and Zeiss Touit 12mm
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    Quote Originally Posted by scho View Post
    Here is my dropbox link to the QTR Tutorial

    It was written by Lou Dina and I provided some of the profiles. You can also download it from the Files section on the Yahoo Groups QuadToneRIP website. This is also a good site to visit for additional info and updates concerning printing with QTR.
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    Nex7 665nm and Leica 50 f/2 Rigid

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