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    Re: "Capturing Infrared"

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    MaxMax XNiteCC1 is the one that I use in order to shoot with regular light.
    That's what Life Pixel recommended as well. Just getting things sorted out before sending it in.
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    Don, I have read some recommendations that we should use a UV filter along with the CC1. I have tried it both ways, but with different lenses, so I don't have any conclusion on that point yet.

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    Re: "Capturing Infrared"

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    I'll be sending my A7r IR 665 conversion back to Life Pixels shortly to have it converted once again - this time to full spectrum. Now I need to gather the needed filters. Thanks to everyone who has given me this idea (you all owe me a little cash )

    I've also decided I "need a tilt/shift lens" (thanks to another thread) and have decided the best option is to pick up another Hartblie (had one years ago) that way I can use it on both my Sony and Phase One.

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    Hi Don

    You might try this hot mirror, I like better than the B+W
    Hot Mirror UVIR Cut Filter | Kolari Vision Infrared Conversion Service and IR Photography

    Also maybe you might be interested in either of these two

    MaxMax X-NiteXDP

    X-Ray Comparison

    This one passes UV and IR only

    Quantity* XNite30030

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    Re: "Capturing Infrared"

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    Hi Don

    You might try this hot mirror, I like better than the B+W
    Hot Mirror UVIR Cut Filter | Kolari Vision Infrared Conversion Service and IR Photography

    Also maybe you might be interested in either of these two

    MaxMax X-NiteXDP

    X-Ray Comparison

    This one passes UV and IR only

    Quantity* XNite30030

    Best

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    +1 I also use the Kolari filters and they are fine.
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    Sadly they only go up to 77mm and I needed a 82 for the Hartblie. Order placed with MaxMax...
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    Nikon D40x 720nm + 18-70:

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    Nikon D40x 720nm + 18-70

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    Nikon D40x 720nm + 18-70

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    Re: "Capturing Infrared"

    Kolari Goldie 590nm on A6000 full spectrum

    Sunset Park Coos Bay, Oregon in the fog

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    Re: "Capturing Infrared"

    Okay folks I need a little help...

    Filters have been ordered as well as a new lens both of which are on their way. I'll be shipping the camera back to Life Pixel for yet another conversion. Let's talk about custom white balance...

    No I don't need help figuring out a custom WB for IR; what I need to wrap my brain around is the WB for full spectrum. Is this a set and forget or will I need to create a new one each time?

    That's it folks. No more images until I return from WY and get the camera back; in the meantime I'll be living through what's being shared here.

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    Re: "Capturing Infrared"

    Quote Originally Posted by Don Libby View Post
    Okay folks I need a little help...

    ***edit*** what I need to wrap my brain around is the WB for full spectrum. Is this a set and forget or will I need to create a new one each time?


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    Don, on my FS I have several presets loaded for WB. For FS, often I just hit Auto WB. For IR, I have 2 (one for 650nm and another for 720nm). For UV, sometimes I just use Fluorescent, but I also have a preset loaded for macro UV.

    What really helps is having a Passport Colorchecker and take a shot on the scene so it is easy to figure out what color cast the filter (UV-IR blocker) on the image.
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    Don, What Thor said was good advice. Myself, I always shoot a grey card when I change the filter.
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    Re: "Capturing Infrared"

    A6000 Full Spectrum Sigma 18-35 f/1.8 on LA-E4 with no filter.
    Charleston, Oregon fog

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    Re: "Capturing Infrared"

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    A6000 Full Spectrum Sigma 18-35 f/1.8 on LA-E4 with no filter.
    Charleston, Oregon fog
    Hi Cindy, that Sigma must have strong IR filtration on the lens coating. There is only a slight hint of magenta cast despite not having an IR-blocker on the lens. Or is this level of IR rejection also same with other lens when you are using the A6000 FS without any filter?

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    Hi all. I just love this thread, it's been a source of inspiration for me. I've sent my Fuji X100 out to LifePixel today to have the Super Color 590nm filter conversion. I am now searching for good filters that fit the 49mm lens in 665, 720, and 830 equivalents. I need advice on quality choices that fit this camera. My web searches have not been very good and I'm fearful of making a bad selection. Kolari and MaxMax did not have a 49mm product on their sites.

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    Re: "Capturing Infrared"

    Adam, welcome to the thread!

    I use B+W 49mm on my camera. What is important is looking at the spectral response of the filter. There are a lot of IR filters out there that do not publish their spectral response data and those tend to be cheap ones.

    B+W and Heliopan are on the expensive side but I like the consistency that I get from them. Here, take a look at the offering from B&H. The Heliopans have the spectral responses along with IR filter that you are interested in:
    Infrared & UV Photography | B&H Photo Video

    I do have to add that I also dabble a lot in false color IR via full spectrum set-up and I also look for cheap color filters that blocks a certain portion of visible light spectrum and lets in a lot IR (even UV contamination) light.

    An example of this is the UV-pass filter from B+W, the UV Black 403. That particular filter is supposed to be a UV-pass filter only. It also passes IR at around 720nm. It is considered an IR-contaminated UV-pass filter. In my case, I like it for creative purposes as I get blue skies with white foliage.

    Don't hesitate to play with cheap IR filters. Of course, if you are more interested in technical aspect of IR capture then studying the spectral responses of the filter you are interested in is a must thing to do.
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    B+W UV Black 403 (UV-pass) on a Sigma DP1 full-spectrum:
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    B+W 403 UV-Pass (UV Black) on a Sigma DP-1:


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    Re: "Capturing Infrared"

    I must admit that I do not shoot in "real' Full Spectrum (without any filter) much. The 'neutral' results are absolutely not pleasing to my eye. Either, I need to apply a lot of PP to obtain visually acceptable results, that are anyway far inferior to results I get with a 'visual' camera, or I need to go down the road of 'false color'. For that, I have not found my path yet ...

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    I don't shoot "full-spectrum" (sans any filter), too. There are too many variables to contend with:

    1) UV-friendly lens are difficult to source and the ones that are UV-friendly are on the expensive side. There are cheaper alternatives from the film era and needs some serious rubbing to get rid of the coatings and make them UV-friendly.

    2) IR-contamination is also difficult to post-process when mixed in with the visible light spectrum. The result is often an abstract image. Although there are a lot of abstract IR + visible images that I love to look at. In my case, often it is a serendipitous result, a result of keep moving the sliders in post-processing until it gets pleasing to my eyes. The concept of pre-visualization becomes tenuous at best.

    3) My favorite for IR + visible spectrum camera is my Sigma DP1. The Foveon sensor has that magical quality (IMHO) of capturing both IR + visible spectrum.

    Here are two examples of IR + vis via the Sigma DP1:

    The steel is painted yellow (as a point of reference for visible spectrum)



    Denim pants via IR, pink shirt + red sweater, the foliage IR:

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    Re: "Capturing Infrared"

    Quote Originally Posted by Thor Lidasan View Post
    Hi Cindy, that Sigma must have strong IR filtration on the lens coating. There is only a slight hint of magenta cast despite not having an IR-blocker on the lens. Or is this level of IR rejection also same with other lens when you are using the A6000 FS without any filter?
    Thor, I don't know the answer to this yet. I just got this conversion right before i left for the trip and have since gotten another CC1, so I always put it on my lens when I use it for regular photography. I will say that it was foggy, so no bright sun. I do think that lens coatings play a role in the color response and will be keeping an eye on that. I'll report back if I find out any more.
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    Re: "Capturing Infrared"

    Adam L,
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    I use B+W filters for my 770 and 830. I have a dedicated 665nm camera, so I haven't gotten a filter yet for my fs camera.

    You might want to just buy one filter until you check your lens for hot spots (unless you already know). Also, step up or step down rings are useful in fitting filters to more than one lens. Buy a bigger filter and use it on more than one lens.
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    Re: "Capturing Infrared"

    Here is the screen grab an IR+visible spectrum image via the Sigma DP1 before post-processing a raw capture (X3F file, Sigma-speak for raw). The Foveon sensor captures both the IR and the visible light spectrum when combined with a filter that attenuates the intensity of IR. It took me several trial and errors to find a filter that decreases the intensity of IR and at the same time let the visible spectrum pass through.

    Is this "false-color"? I don't know. By convention, "false-color" IR is a term used during post-processing when we adjust the sliders in the Channel Mixer portion of Photoshop. As you can see in the screen grab, the image is a raw file and all sliders are all in neutral setting:

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    Re: "Capturing Infrared"

    This for sure is False Color, heavily manipulated in PS.
    I like it, because this goat is called 'rosa'



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    from goat to horse in IR...


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    Thor, I love the results of the Foveon full spectrum camera. It is unique!

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    Re: "Capturing Infrared"

    Infrared ? No, certainly not, this picture was captured with an unmodified E-M5
    False color ? For sure : I applied the R/B color switch and a 180 Hue change to a normally edited RAW image ...

    Surprisingly, this result came out, and my feeling is that this is very similar to what an IR camera might have given ...





    Thoughts on this ???

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    Re: "Capturing Infrared"

    This is from the FS G1 with a 850 nm filter



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    A6000 Full Spectrum and 830nm filter

    Park in IR-1 by cindyflood, on Flickr
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    I looks very nice. There are wonderful efforts in finding & reaching the locations where the photos were taken.

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    IR Filters greater than 82mm can be hard to find. Over the years I have had 95mm, 105mm and 115mm filters fabricated by the Howard Glass Company Optics Shop in Worcesteer, MA. My contact is Jason at 1-508-753-8146. They have access to Schott Glass in a wide variety of filters including BG38 (color correction CC1 - a cyan filter), OC590, RG610, RG665, RG715, RG830, RG850 and RG1000. Since they do not stock filter rings, I have had to send them an old filter of the appropriate size. KEH.com and E-bay can be useful sources for old filters in large sizes. It is a small custom shop so expect slow service and high prices.
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    Quote Originally Posted by steve231 View Post
    I looks very nice. There are wonderful efforts in finding & reaching the locations where the photos were taken.
    The backgrounds displays wonderful effects.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fotophil View Post
    IR Filters greater than 82mm can be hard to find. Over the years I have had 95mm, 105mm and 115mm filters fabricated by the Howard Glass Company Optics Shop in Worcesteer, MA. My contact is Jason at 1-508-753-8146. They have access to Schott Glass in a wide variety of filters including BG38 (color correction CC1 - a cyan filter), OC590, RG610, RG665, RG715, RG830, RG850 and RG1000. Since they do not stock filter rings, I have had to send them an old filter of the appropriate size. KEH.com and E-bay can be useful sources for old filters in large sizes. It is a small custom shop so expect slow service and high prices.


    Thanks Phil, great source of information. The more I shoot with the 7r (haven't gotten it back yet) the more lenses I want to try out which means much larger than 82mm filters.

    In talking with Life Pixel on which filters to use they recommended Life Pixel as having the best on the market. Ordered 82mm filters which came a couple days ago and they good very good. Now all I need it the new lens to get here as well as the return of the camera.

    We'll be returning to the Palouse area in October and I hope to shoot some IR there alongside my medium format gear. We're also heading to San Diego in a little over a week and would like to have everything for that but not holding my breath...

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    Re: "Capturing Infrared"

    A couple of A6000 FS shots (no filter) using the Leica R 50 cron.



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    Great thread! I'm a B&W IR fan from way back. Here are some seascape results from this weekend while I was out looking for whales. Canon 5D2 converted by Lifepixel with deep IR filter (830nm) + 17 TSE. Converted with ACR, processed in PS with Nik and OnOne plugins.

    _MG_5904 web by Joe McCabe, on Flickr

    _MG_5938 web by Joe McCabe, on Flickr

    _MG_6137 web by Joe McCabe, on Flickr

    _MG_6019 web by Joe McCabe, on Flickr
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    Early fall cold front blasting through at a Seneca Lake vineyard near Geneva, NY.
    A6000 FS 590nm Filter on Zeiss 12mm Touit.

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    Ithaca city cemetery. A6000 FS, 590nm filter, split toned.



    Ithaca city cemetery. A6000 FS, 590nm filter.



    Ithaca city cemetery. A6000 FS, 590nm filter, split toned.

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    Re: "Capturing Infrared"

    Hi - Hot Mirror Test Max Max NiteCC1 / Kolari / B+W 486

    This was shot with a P45+ Full Spectrum back on a DF+ with SK 80LS.

    The light stayed pretty constant - iso 50

    Top Row WB = Daylight
    Bottom Row WB = Auto

    The B+W leaked Infrared in my opinion, anybody else have a similar experience?



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    Good news and not so ... The A7r was returned last Monday afternoon from Life Pixel after being converted to capture full spectrum. I had it all of 60-minutes before heading out the door to San Diego so I had very little time to get used to it and make certain all my adjustments were there.

    Stayed overnight in Yuma thinking that I'd have a chance to shoot the old territorial prison only to find it was closed Tues and Wed for summer hours. Got back in the truck and headed west to San Marcos stopping at the Sunbeam Rest Area off I-8 in Imperial County. So far these are the only shots taken with the Hartblie Super Rotator and all were hand held.


    Squatting on the floor with lens shifted upwards.


    Just liked the light - handheld lens centered.


    Sitting on a bench with the lens shifted up.

    All were shot using a 830nm filter and custom white balance.

    I ended up shooting the 7r for the next 2-days at the San Diego Safari using both 830nm and full color and will share those shortly (used the FE70-200)


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    Sony A7r (full spectrum) FE 70-200 (200mm) f/4 1/100 +0.7 ISO 1250 (had ISO set to Auto). Opened and processed in C1-8 correcting white balance then over to PS CC and Nik for Silver Efex Pro. Cropped - handheld and shot through glass...

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    A Sigma 150-500 DG OS HSM is heading this way today just waiting for the bigh brown truck to arrive. No more cropping!!
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    A beautiful, warm afternoon in the park. A6000 FS Zeiss 32mm Touit no filter.





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    A6000 Full Spectrum and Zeiss Touit 32 f/1.8 with 25A filter.







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    Re: "Capturing Infrared"

    Quote Originally Posted by alajuela View Post
    Hi - Hot Mirror Test Max Max NiteCC1 / Kolari / B+W 486

    This was shot with a P45+ Full Spectrum back on a DF+ with SK 80LS.

    The light stayed pretty constant - iso 50

    Top Row WB = Daylight
    Bottom Row WB = Auto

    The B+W leaked Infrared in my opinion, anybody else have a similar experience?



    With color read outs

    Yes, Phil. I have the CC1 and a B+W 486, and have had a similar finding. I did not document mine. I find the CC1 works very well for me.
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    Re: "Capturing Infrared"

    Went out yesterday to test the Hartblie and decided to do shifts and tilts. Began with the lens centered, the 12mm left (0 degrees), 12mm right (180 degrees), 12mm down (90 degrees), 12mm up (270 degrees) then shifted the lens up (0 degrees) and down (180 degrees) for a total of 7 files with no shift in focus, f/11 1/320 ISO 64. I realized too late that I should of added 4-additional captures to shoot a square; if I had done this correctly the image would have been 12437 x 9934 pixels. I shot the first test in full spectrum with the second in 715nm.





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    Quote Originally Posted by Cindy Flood View Post
    Yes, Phil. I have the CC1 and a B+W 486, and have had a similar finding. I did not document mine. I find the CC1 works very well for me.
    Aren't you shooting with a custom white balance?
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    Don't want to hog this thread so this will be the last one for today...



    "Cattle Drive" I didn't have much time to frame this as I had to jump out of the truck dodging mud, water and other stuff. Handheld, Sony A7r shot in full spectrum and converted to black & white. 45mm Hartblie with lens centered f/8 I think 1/320 ISO 64.

    Might just have to pint this one...
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    Re: "Capturing Infrared"

    Quote Originally Posted by Don Libby View Post
    Aren't you shooting with a custom white balance?
    Yes, I use a custom white balance, but the 486 has IR leak. CC1 does not leak IR.
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    A6000 FS Zeiss 32mm Touit, no filter, 3 shot stitch. B&W conversion in CS6 using hue/sat and B&W blending layers.

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    Trying out the A6000 FS on the Cambo Actus with a Hasselblad 80mm Planar. Both images were stitched from 6 frames each. ISO 100, f/11.

    590nm Filter



    Original

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    A6000 FS and 12mm Zeiss Touit w/590nm filter
    Take a seat or choose a path. by cindyflood, on Flickr

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