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    Having fun with the GF1

    OK, I'm going to start the thread.

    The only problem is I'm not having fun with the GF1. I got my delivery notification a little while ago. It was delivered to San Francisco but I am in NY. . First shots from me won't happen until Sunday night

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    Ah, the anticipation builds ... ];-)

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    Re: Having fun with the GF1

    My buddy got one last evening. He's setting it up and kinda likes it even tho he's just getting started.
    He did say that the 20mm is great on the Pen......
    I may get to try it this weekend....

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    Re: Having fun with the GF1

    What a bummer, Terry!






    First mess up as a moderator...didn't mean to edit your post! Fixed it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by clay stewart View Post
    What a bummer, Terry!
    I'm actually still pretty happy that it wasn't a mad scramble to find a camera and Panasonic actually delivered weeks earlier than originally expected.

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    Re: Having fun with the GF1

    It's here!





    The brown truck didn't get here till 5:20 PM, so I'll have to wait till tomorrow to post a photo from the GF1.
    Last edited by Cindy Flood; 24th September 2009 at 18:41.

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    Re: Having fun with the GF1

    Does it feel good in your hands?

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    It feels nice and solid. It will need a screen protector. The buttons seem to be more matte, so maybe I won't have to tape them like I did on my G1.

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    Re: Having fun with the GF1

    I've actually had a number of exposed Panasonic screens and never a scratch. Not sure what they use but It seems to be durable. I cut down an iPhone screen protector for the Pen (after I did get a scratch).

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    Re: Having fun with the GF1

    I didn't put one on the G1 or the E-P1, but this lcd seems to be right out there...close to the edges. I'll think I'll play it safe. I'm going to put it on right now.

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    Re: Having fun with the GF1

    Wow, it's bigger than I thought! Not a whole lot smaller than the G1. I'm not sure I really see the point.

    Enjoy though!

    Cheers,

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    Re: Having fun with the GF1

    The "box" isn't really smaller. The difference is the grip and the viewfinder hump. I do like the flat shape. The shots are linked from DPReview.

    http://www.dpreview.com/previews/PanasonicGF1/


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    Re: Having fun with the GF1

    This shows where the difference really is. The G1 is much bulkier.

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    Re: Having fun with the GF1

    Terry & Cindy,

    Thanks for the extra pictures. I had the LX3 so I can now judge the size pretty well. I have quite large hands so the extra grip of the G1 affords me a better hold. Plus, once you stick the external EVF on the GF1, for me I just don't see it. Especially as the EVF is lesser quality than the G1.

    As I said, I hope you enjoy them, but I'm going to stick with my G1/GH1.

    Ciao,

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    Re: Having fun with the GF1

    Simon, I will stick with the G1, too. I'm planning for the GF-1 to be the body that I carry with me all the time in my purse. I'll probably keep the 20mm or the 40mm Pen-F on it.
    Last edited by Terry; 24th September 2009 at 19:55. Reason: I'm not used to having edit ability and forgot to hit quote. Restored original post - terry

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    Re: Having fun with the GF1

    Quote Originally Posted by Cindy Flood View Post
    Simon, I will stick with the G1, too. I'm planning for the GF-1 to be the body that I carry with me all the time in my purse. I'll probably keep the 20mm or the 40mm Pen-F on it.
    Ditto. 20mm is a great focal length for me. I expect that lens to live on the camera.

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    Re: Having fun with the GF1

    Well, I'll be. First one I've actually seen other than Panny's photos. Cindy--what are you using for LCD covering?? I've never put anything on any LCD--Canon's cams had a $5 cover (you could get from their parts dept.) over the LCD that you could replace if necessary (I never did) so I never worried about it.

    I actually do like the relative size with the G1. I was afraid it was going to be smaller feeling/looking. I had handled the Pen and knew it was supposed to be similar--but people kept saying it was close to LX3 and I've always had the impression that was more pocket sized.

    I'm planning to more or less keep 20 on mine also--though if it handles reasonably well for MF shooting, I will probably carry my FD 35 or Konica 40 with it. They are both very small, though with adaptors.

    Now, Cindy--give us your impression shooting with it *smile* I've been reading the pdf manual so I'm ready.
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    Re: Having fun with the GF1

    I would LOVE to see the same shot taken with the LX3 and the GF1 side by side.

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    Re: Having fun with the GF1

    Diane,
    I use screen protectors from screenpatronus on my M8 and will use theirs for the GF1, too. http://www.screenpatronus.com/screen-protector-digital-camera.html
    Make sure that the screen is clean and dry before applying and they will stay on for a long time.
    I'll get busy shooting with it tomorrow and will report back.... but I'm not a reviewer.

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    Re: Having fun with the GF1

    Quote Originally Posted by Cindy Flood View Post
    It's here!





    The brown truck didn't get here till 5:20 PM, so I'll have to wait till tomorrow to post a photo from the GF1.
    Hi Cindy,
    I am happy to see your newest digital imaging equipment! All the best!

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    Quote Originally Posted by bradhusick View Post
    I would LOVE to see the same shot taken with the LX3 and the GF1 side by side.
    I've shot the DLux4 and G1 back to back. They are as you'd expect - the small sensor has trouble when the iso climbs. Physics generally wins. I'd be interested to see if there is any difference between the G1 and GF1 wrt iq. I'm personally a little less interested due to the lack of IS with the 20mm. I've been shooting the 5D2 coming from the Pentax and I can tell a big difference between IS and non-IS lenses in low light.

    My heart still says X1. Not sure my credit card does though.

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    Re: Having fun with the GF1

    Now this guy is clearly having fun with his camera!



    Simon, it might be bigger than you were expecting, but its a case of "just right" (looking at it) for me ...

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    Re: Having fun with the GF1

    Quote Originally Posted by Cindy Flood View Post
    It's here!





    The brown truck didn't get here till 5:20 PM, so I'll have to wait till tomorrow to post a photo from the GF1.
    Congratulations Cindy! how did you carry your G1? will the GF1 fit in a smaller purse? will you carry both, or decide on one to take?

    Thanks for sharing, I'll look forward to seeing your first shots

    Cheers

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    Hi

    Quote Originally Posted by Cindy Flood View Post
    This shows where the difference really is. The G1 is much bulkier.
    out of interest, what are you attaching to the camera with the velcro?

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    Re: Having fun with the GF1

    Cindy, could you show apic of the 20/1.7 with its hood? Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    Cindy, could you show apic of the 20/1.7 with its hood? Thanks.
    LOL, according to Andy over on dpreview it doesn't need one... flare retardant!

    Cheers

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian Mosley View Post
    Congratulations Cindy! how did you carry your G1? will the GF1 fit in a smaller purse? will you carry both, or decide on one to take?

    Thanks for sharing, I'll look forward to seeing your first shots

    Cheers

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    Brian, I have a little A+A lined, zippered bag that I put into my purse. The GF1 will fit in there better than the G1. It is not as bulky. I won't carry both in my purse, but I'm not giving up the G1, yet.
    I usually have a camera bag with me during the day, too. I have each of my bodies set-up in a bag with their accessories. I can just grab a couple of lenses and go.

    Quote Originally Posted by pellicle View Post
    Hi

    out of interest, what are you attaching to the camera with the velcro?
    Pellicle, I have a flash diffuser by Joe Demb that I hook on there when I want to use a little flash--or in emergency, the onboard flash.

    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    Cindy, could you show apic of the 20/1.7 with its hood? Thanks.
    Vivek, There is no dedicated hood that comes with the 20 f/1.7. I have a screw-in, vented hood that I bought from Heavy-star on Ebay. It looks like it wil work. I may look for a smaller, non-vented screw-in hood w/cap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TEBnewyork View Post
    Thanks, Terry. That one looks perfect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cindy Flood View Post
    Thanks, Terry. That one looks perfect.
    I've had that one in my 'watch' list I like his hoods--have them for my FD and Hexanon lenses--and even bought the teeny tiny hood for the 17 f/2.8 after Vivek mentioned it. Its just sort of silly--looking and using. This will be a lot more practical.

    Cindy, I am going to order the screen protector. I gather from the site that they are generically sized and perhaps you have to cut them to fit. I thought I had one left over from my old PDA but couldn't find it--and suspect the newer one may be better for using the LCD anyhow.


    Speaking again to Cindy--I notice you have Gordy's wrist strap on--same one I have. Has yours ever softened up a bit? I ended up taking mine off the G1 and putting an old--maybe Optech--one on--but I do like the looks of the black/red Gordy's on the GF1.
    Ah--maybe it isn't a Gordy's--looks as though it has red stitching on the black wrist section--if not, mind sharing whose it is and if its reasonably soft?



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    Diane, Once you hit the buy button on the screenpatronus site, there will be a window to enter your make and model. I don't always have the correct model on hand and sometimes cut them, but hopefully if you order for GF1, it will be correct.

    The strap pictured on my GF1 is a Gordy strap that I've had for several years. It has softened up over time. I still like the strap that I have on the G1 the best. It is from Luigi. I have his neck straps on my M's and DSLR, too. They are soft and wonderful from the get-go.

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    I tried a couple of Gordy's but it was like wearing handcuffs. Well, at least what I *think* wearing handcuffs would be like. Very rough leather, wrist skin was not pleased.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian Mosley View Post
    LOL, according to Andy over on dpreview it doesn't need one... flare retardant!

    Cheers

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    Quite amazing how the same words are read and understood by different eyes (from dp review)

    Shooting directly towards the sun on a very bright day, and there's little evidence of any significant image degradation from flare (although the E-P1 has, left to its own devices, somewhat overexposed the shot). Normally we're concerned when a lens isn't supplied with a hood, but in this case it doesn't seem to be a major cause for complaint.
    That does not sound an emphatic flare "retardent" to me. The hood won't help when shooting directly into the Sun. It is more effective on an overcast day, at least for me, under the conditions I often use a lens.

    Cindy, I think Godfrey mentioned that this lens is supplied with (or Pana made one) a hood. That is why I asked.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    Cindy, I think Godfrey mentioned that this lens is supplied with (or Pana made one) a hood. That is why I asked.
    Vivek,

    On the Panasonic site it did specifically state that the 20 f/1.7 has a hood included. Whether it has been corrected there or not I don't know--but I read exactly the same thing. Its appears to be a mistake.

    Diane

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cindy Flood View Post
    Simon, I will stick with the G1, too. I'm planning for the GF-1 to be the body that I carry with me all the time in my purse. I'll probably keep the 20mm or the 40mm Pen-F on it.
    Quote Originally Posted by TEBnewyork View Post
    Ditto. 20mm is a great focal length for me. I expect that lens to live on the camera.
    Cindy & Terry,

    Glad that you're happy with the cam. I've kind of surprised myself with this one... normally I'd be all over it and probably have one by now too. I am just so completely content with the G1 and GH1 that this cam hasn't really "called" to me.

    I have been anticipating the 20mm f1.7 since it was announced too. But now, although I'd dearly love to have it for its speed, I'm balking at the lack of DOF/focus marking endemic to these Panny lenses. I love to set for hyperfocal and just shoot, and that is just too difficult without any DOF markings (and, yes, I know it can be done, but I don't care for the method). I know it's just not possible for these fly-by-wire lenses, but I still miss it.

    I guess it's likely I may end up with the 20 sometime in the future, but for now I'm content to sit this one out.

    Terry, as to your remark that the 20 will "live" on the GF1, it reminds me of the DP1 or GRII I had. Yes, different focal length, but similar fixed aperture, but I still didn't use either as much as I thought I might. As much as I love the IQ of primes, I love the flexibility of zooms! Of course rarely do the capabilities of each coincide (unless you want to carry around a lead weight).

    I'll look forward to seeing some pictures with the 20mm/GF1 from both of you.

    Cheers,

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    Quote Originally Posted by Diane B View Post
    Vivek,

    On the Panasonic site it did specifically state that the 20 f/1.7 has a hood included. Whether it has been corrected there or not I don't know--but I read exactly the same thing. Its appears to be a mistake.

    Diane
    Thanks, Diane. That clarifies it.

    FWIW, On none of the 25mm lenses that I use (Computar-TV 25/1.3, Fujinon-TV 25/1.4, Angenieux 25/0.95, Senko/Navitar 25/0.95, Som-Berthiot 25/0.95,.....) I use a hood because it is impossible (vignette, etc). With the exception of the Fujinon-TV 25/1.4, most of the lenses are not bothered much by most types of flare when used on a G1. None of them are flare retardant either.

    Only the 25/2.8 Pen F lens allows for a hood and it does help with the image clarity there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by monza View Post
    I tried a couple of Gordy's but it was like wearing handcuffs. Well, at least what I *think* wearing handcuffs would be like. Very rough leather, wrist skin was not pleased.
    Monza,

    Curious what you have on your small cams. I have at least 3 wrist straps (of this type) around plus I use the E-1 or whatever it is on the 5D--and I have an old Camdaptor with wrist strap (these last 2 are really hand/wrist straps) that I like for one of the other Canon bodies. Sometimes I think I'd like something more similar to these on the G1 when carrying it in hand, but maybe its overkill for the G1--esp. for GF1 I guess LOL.

    Diane

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    Re: Having fun with the GF1

    for an 'in between' wrist strap - not quite as soft as luigi's but much softer than gordy's - try zhou's straps off ebay. a bit longer, so very nice to use in winter with gloves on.

    http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?...=STRK:MEWNX:IT

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    There are finally a couple of GF1 'non PR' videos on Vimeo. One is with the Leica Noctilux f/1.0
    http://www.vimeo.com/groups/gf1/videos/6664924

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    Quote Originally Posted by Diane B View Post
    On the Panasonic site it did specifically state that the 20 f/1.7 has a hood included. Whether it has been corrected there or not I don't know--but I read exactly the same thing. Its appears to be a mistake.
    Yup. From reports of others who've received their 20mm standalone, no hood. PITA, but there are plenty of lens hood options available.

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    Re: Having fun with the GF1

    That noctilux video is stunning. Totally new use for the nocti.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    ... FWIW, On none of the 25mm lenses that I use (Computar-TV 25/1.3, Fujinon-TV 25/1.4, Angenieux 25/0.95, Senko/Navitar 25/0.95, Som-Berthiot 25/0.95,.....) I use a hood because it is impossible (vignette, etc).
    ...
    Only the 25/2.8 Pen F lens allows for a hood and it does help with the image clarity there.
    My 25mm lenses are the Olympus ZD 25/2.8 and the Summilux-D 25/1.4 ASPH. Both wear hoods all the time. The only lens I have that I do not use a hood with is the Cosmicar 12.5mm f/1.4 ... haven't found a hood that fits it yet.

    I use lens hoods all the time, deep ones: it helps. I'm not concerned with compactness.


    it's a little bulky ... pictures of G1 and Summilux

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    Diane, I use an A&A silk strap on my G1, and the original Contax (nylon webbing) strap on my Contax G2.

    The A&A strap is pricey but sweet, very light, easy to curl up and use as a wrist strap.

    Quote Originally Posted by Diane B View Post
    Monza,

    Curious what you have on your small cams. I have at least 3 wrist straps (of this type) around plus I use the E-1 or whatever it is on the 5D--and I have an old Camdaptor with wrist strap (these last 2 are really hand/wrist straps) that I like for one of the other Canon bodies. Sometimes I think I'd like something more similar to these on the G1 when carrying it in hand, but maybe its overkill for the G1--esp. for GF1 I guess LOL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TEBnewyork View Post
    The only problem is I'm not having fun with the GF1.


    I'm having fun just thinking about having fun with a GF1. Soon.
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    Re: Having fun with the GF1

    I too would be interested in some comparison between the GF1 and the LX3, for example. I'm still not sure where this camera ends up in terms of usability. Here are my thoughts:

    1. For people buying the GF1 as a compact, they'll probably end up keeping the 20/1.7 lens on it permanently. In that case, is it worth paying twice the price for a GF1 over an LX3?

    2. I can certainly see the case for people buying it as a compact camera, but use it with other compact lenses if they have those available, although from the reviews it seems the 20/1.7 is an excellent lens. I just wonder how many people with available compact lenses will end up keeping those in the GF1 instead of the kit lens, in which case we're back to scenario 1.

    3. For people buying the GF1 to be used with a whole range of lenses of all sizes, it begs the question of why buy the GF1 when a G1 can be had for less and with more features (albeit without the video). When coupling the GF1 with non-compact lenses, any size advantage goes away, in which case personally I'd rather have the G1 EVF and tilt LCD.

    Guess I'm just thinking out loud trying to convince myself one way or another on buying the GF1 to have along with my G1, or just buying a GH1 and keeping the G1 as a backup.

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    Re: Having fun with the GF1

    I went for a walk with the GF1. I had the 20 f/1.7 on it with the Heavystar vented hood.
    The Gordy strap worked out great. I had it over my right hand. My hand was on the grip and my finger on the shutter button. It felt very good and secure. I was able to raise it up and shoot very quickly. The sky was overcast and gray and the lighting was very flat.


    My angle to the building caused distortion and I could have corrected it. I didn't want to do that kind of manipulation.








    There was some CA in this shot.


    The only problem that I saw so far was that the camera kept reporting that the lens wasn't on properly. I kept checking and it was. (I had "shoot without lens" turned off.)




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    Nice shots Cindy, how close does the 20mm focus?

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    Quote Originally Posted by photoSmart42 View Post
    I too would be interested in some comparison between the GF1 and the LX3, for example. I'm still not sure where this camera ends up in terms of usability. Here are my thoughts:

    1. For people buying the GF1 as a compact, they'll probably end up keeping the 20/1.7 lens on it permanently. In that case, is it worth paying twice the price for a GF1 over an LX3?

    2. I can certainly see the case for people buying it as a compact camera, but use it with other compact lenses if they have those available, although from the reviews it seems the 20/1.7 is an excellent lens. I just wonder how many people with available compact lenses will end up keeping those in the GF1 instead of the kit lens, in which case we're back to scenario 1.

    3. For people buying the GF1 to be used with a whole range of lenses of all sizes, it begs the question of why buy the GF1 when a G1 can be had for less and with more features (albeit without the video). When coupling the GF1 with non-compact lenses, any size advantage goes away, in which case personally I'd rather have the G1 EVF and tilt LCD.

    Guess I'm just thinking out loud trying to convince myself one way or another on buying the GF1 to have along with my G1, or just buying a GH1 and keeping the G1 as a backup.
    Then there are those buying them as a smaller compliment to the G1/GH1 that they already own. Especially those who may prefer the Panasonic variants to the Olympus ones...
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    Re: Having fun with the GF1

    Quote Originally Posted by monza View Post
    Nice shots Cindy, how close does the 20mm focus?
    Robert, the spec is 7.8" but it seemed more like 6" to me. I like this lens a lot. It will be a good compliment to my Pen-F 40 f/1.4 on the GF1. I'm mostly a manual focus shooter, but it was really fun to be able to point and shoot with the fast AF. I did put it onto single focus point AF. I don't like the camera picking the focus point.

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    Re: Having fun with the GF1

    0ther than the privileged ... has any one been able to receive the GH1, or LX3 in the USA?

    I'm confused, introduce new cameras, when they can't even deliver existing models... what kind of business model is that?

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