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    Re: Is GF1 is E-P1 killer?

    Quote Originally Posted by kevinparis View Post
    as for the stinking reference... well that was not a comment on the g1... more an amusing nod to a line in Mel Brooks film Blazing Saddles "Badges... we dont need no stinking badges".

    Originally from "The Treasure of the Sierra Madre." 1948
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    Quote Originally Posted by kevinparis View Post
    I can drive Photoshop, Final Cut, Logic, and any other bit of software you care to mention... but the E-P1 is a dog.

    so sad

    K
    Yessir, it's a dog alright....a fast sleek Greyhound.....
    I work the streets with the Pen and the 17 as fast as I work my M's and a cron.....

    as they say here in Philly...dat dere be da s+it....

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    of course.... you are right....great film

    Quote Originally Posted by RonSmith View Post
    Originally from "The Treasure of the Sierra Madre." 1948

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    Re: Is GF1 is E-P1 killer?

    Street...

    I would be interested in knowing how you set your e-p1 up for its greyhound like responsiveness

    cheers

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    Kevin....
    Simple setup...

    Fn button has screen on/off....
    17mm, finder on top....
    AF is at AEL...
    sleep off...(now it works so ya can set it how ya like)
    A mode generally f11...
    (I am about 6' tall, if I hold the camera level to my eyes, point to the ground..and hit AF...I am at hyperfocal distance for f11...give me about 2.75' to Paris....)
    Iso to support f11...generally 400-800 in good light...

    then just walk around.....1 cup Kona with some Bailey's to taste....

    The camera will respond instantly on release.....every once in a while I hit the release about 1/2 just to make sure she's awake....

    This way works great as the camera is always awake and it can wait for me to wake up.....
    Shoot

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    thanks street

    oddly enough... just at the time you were writing this I had independently come to roughly the same set of settings...

    substituted the Kona/Baileys with sitting at a cafe with a glass of red :-)

    will post some shots shortly

    thanks again

    K

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    Re: Is GF1 is E-P1 killer?

    K,
    you do know the AF works better with Merlot.

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    think it was a Brouilly.. which may or may not contai Merlot... the French name the wine after the place its grown... not the grape.... sheesh what do they know about wine :-)

    anyway some paris street shots

    cheers

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    Re: Is GF1 is E-P1 killer?

    Quote Originally Posted by kevinparis View Post
    sitting at a cafe with a glass of red
    Red wine makes me sleepy, so last week, while sitting at the terrace of "Terminus Nord" in your town, I had champagne. That keeps me and the G1 awake

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    Re: Is GF1 is E-P1 killer?

    Quote Originally Posted by kevinparis View Post
    think it was a Brouilly.. which may or may not contai Merlot... the French name the wine after the place its grown... not the grape.... sheesh what do they know about wine :-)

    anyway some paris street shots

    cheers

    K
    Very nice Kevin, so did you use f11 for these?

    Cheers

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    Re: Is GF1 is E-P1 killer?

    Doesn't f/11 introduce diffraction with this lens? I never used over f/5.6 with it.

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    brian
    thanks for compliments

    I was actually on P mode at 1250 iso... probably around 5.6

    will try f11 trick next time

    cheers

    K

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    f5.6 seems like a good idea to me... nice and sharp (f5 is the sweet spot for the 17mm f2.8)

    Cheers

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    Re: Is GF1 is E-P1 killer?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cindy Flood View Post
    Doesn't f/11 introduce diffraction with this lens? I never used over f/5.6 with it.
    Cindy,
    I'm deffracted all the time....I use 11 because I like everything to be in Focus...
    funny, not using the best f stop for focus...but I've been doing good with it...

    Brian is right...f5.0 is home base......but at 12.6' for Hyper and just 6.3' as closest distance doesn't work for me......

    I'm compromising Cindy and sometimes it just ain't a pretty site, I tell ya...

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    Kevin, I love #3, Woman and ball. Cheers, KL

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    Re: Is GF1 is E-P1 killer?

    Quote Originally Posted by Streetshooter View Post
    Cindy,
    I'm deffracted all the time....I use 11 because I like everything to be in Focus...
    funny, not using the best f stop for focus...but I've been doing good with it...

    Brian is right...f5.0 is home base......but at 12.6' for Hyper and just 6.3' as closest distance doesn't work for me......

    I'm compromising Cindy and sometimes it just ain't a pretty site, I tell ya...
    Streetshooter,

    Kevin, Those look really nice. I like your black and white conversion.

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    Re: Is GF1 is E-P1 killer?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cindy Flood View Post
    Doesn't f/11 introduce diffraction with this lens? I never used over f/5.6 with it.
    I'm sure that in theory that is a yes, but if you can see it on prints or screen sizes I'll be keen to hear about that...

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    Re: Is GF1 is E-P1 killer?

    Cindy

    thanks

    no wild magic or voodoo workflows ... just a couple of tweaks using only Aperture. I wrote a wee Applescript to convert E-P1 RAW to E-30 RAW so Aperture will accept the files.

    cheers

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    Kevin, were you conscious of the woman with the ball lining up perfectly with the smiling face behind her on the poster?

    Great contrast of expression

    That's a very cool shot

    Cheers

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    Brian.... I could lie and say that it was all planned... I was aware of the face on the poster... I saw her walk up the street with the ball.. I had the camera on my knee prefocussed and just fired a shot when i thought it was right.

    The result is probably 70/30 luck/judgement

    thanks

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    Luck favours the prepared

    Cheers

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    Re: Is GF1 is E-P1 killer?

    Indeed. Getting out of the chair would have allowed for a better framing or atleast better cropping possibilities after the capture.

    Not bad for a shot while enjoying a beverage.

    Reminds of one my shots when my rear was glued to the steps I was sitting on and not capturing the scene from a better angle.


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    Re: Is GF1 is E-P1 killer?

    Some people think that the Olympus E-P1 isn't very good when the light falls as the AF is a bit troublesome and there is no focus assist lamp.

    Here are a couple of photos I took tonight in poor lighting.

    The E-P1 set to ISO3200, f/5.6 (well I was at the 200mm end of a Panasonic G Vario 45-200mm zoom) and shutter speeds of 1/100s and 1/50s respectively. Camera set to aperture priority, S-AF, auto white balance and these are unedited jpg files out of the camera - they have just been downsized a bit...

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    Re: Is GF1 is E-P1 killer?

    thanks vivek

    ... i may go back an recrop to get rid of motorbike on the right. I was just happy that I had finally got the E-p1 to work with me rather than against me :-)

    Cheers

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    Re: Is GF1 is E-P1 killer?

    Peter,
    that's where the Pen shines. High ISO is always discussed but not used as much as discussed.
    Nice images, just imagine how much better with raw.

    Kevin,
    Nice to see your clickin' with the street.
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    Re: Is GF1 is E-P1 killer?

    Quote Originally Posted by Streetshooter View Post
    Peter,
    that's where the Pen shines. High ISO is always discussed but not used as much as discussed.
    Nice images, just imagine how much better with raw.

    Kevin,
    Nice to see your clickin' with the street.
    Don
    I started out shooting in RAW + JPG but chose the smaller JPG as I only had a 2GB card, I switched to Large Fine the the shots I posted.

    Quite frankly, most of the RAW images require too much work to make look good. The E-P1 does a better job making JPGs than I can 99% of the time playing with RAW images. It really does a stunning job.

    When I get a 8GB card and have enough room for RAW I might play more but I am a lazy photographer. I just want to have fun.

    I would have killed for a 35-100mm f/2, 50-200 f/2.8-3.5 or 150mm f/2 lenses.

    I had my Olympus OM 28mm f/2.8 and 50mm f/1.4 lenses with me but found it too slow to manually focus these and also they are both more prone to flare from spotlights they had on a stage nearby.

    I started manually focusing the 45-200 but found it a pain without a mechanical focus ring and scale so switched to S-AF and was surprised to get AF lock 99% of the time and it seemed quick enough too. Very impressed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kevinparis View Post
    think it was a Brouilly.. which may or may not contai Merlot... the French name the wine after the place its grown... not the grape.... sheesh what do they know about wine :-)

    anyway some paris street shots

    cheers

    K
    It is true that French name are based on the grown place. With the "Appellation d'origine controlée" ruling, each region are also having only certain types of grapes allowed. So indirectly you can know which grapes there is in the bottle, or should I say you know which ones can't be in it! Brouilly, as far as I remember doesn't have Merlot in their list of grapes. Starting only few years ago, you can see some grape names on French bottles, at least on some bottles exported to Quebec.

    I like your pictures and it just pulled a certain nostalgia in me,... I just would like to get back there after my three years and a half stay at the beginning of the century. One funny note, on pictures 2 and 3, on the ads pillar, there's an ad for Gregory Charles, a performer from the province of Quebec. We are exporting an increasing number of great talents over there since around 15 years ago, mainly singers and stand up comic performers.
    Francois B.

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    Re: Is GF1 is E-P1 killer?

    Quote Originally Posted by Streetshooter View Post
    Peter,
    that's where the Pen shines. High ISO is always discussed but not used as much as discussed.
    Nice images, just imagine how much better with raw.

    Perhaps not. These images aren't terribly illustrative of the high ISO potential of the E-P1. Yes, I mean this as a nudge to the E-P1 fans to come up with images that would compellingly illustrate what can not be done with the Pana cams.

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    Re: Is GF1 is E-P1 killer?

    Vivek, I'm sure you're aware that the Panasonic G1 is underrated for ISO sensitivity - the sensors are the same, jpeg quality is arguably better for the E-P1 though, so you may find better noise reduction / colour throughout the range if it's important to you.

    I find that I will often develop from raw in Olympus Studio to get the signature Olympus colour, before finishing PP in Lightzone... the only problem being poor distortion/CA correction, but PhotoAcute has just been updated to give support for the E-P1 + 17mm and 14-42mm kit lenses

    Before PhotoAcute distortion/CA correction :
    E-P1 + 17mm f2.8
    1/1250s f/5.0 at 17.0mm iso200


    PhotoAcute corrected version, taken from 6 images taken in burst mode.


    A single raw file can be distortion/CA corrected in PhotoAcute - just drag two copies of the file into the application.

    Cheers

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    Re: Is GF1 is E-P1 killer?

    Brian, Under the lighting conditions you show the example, ISO1200 and such do not matter much.

    Low light (well, sensor stabilization from E-P1 would help depending on the lens used and how the set up is used) conditions and mixed light conditions is where the problem might crop up. I am sure the E-P1 has an edge over the Pana in this regard. I just would like to see that illustrated better. My interest here is that Olympus are on record, on their own, that they are more interested in improving DR and S/N than worry about pixel count and such. This is an useful aspect (essential, in fact) in a camera than any other features.

    Yes, "correct" exposure helps.

    Although Peter made an attempt, IMHO, it is better to use a shorter FL lens (not a 200mm lens on the m4/3rds) to really drive home this.

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    Re: Is GF1 is E-P1 killer?

    I'm sorry Vivek, I drifted completely off topic - the illustration above is of PhotoAcute distortion/CA correction.

    Here's an example of E-P1 high ISO.

    ISO 4000


    Cheers

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    Brian:

    Just PhotoAcute's site - no listing for Panasonic G1, or Olympus E-P1.

    Which version are you using??

    Thanks.

    Martin

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    Hi Martin,

    Version 2.88, just released yesterday... I did the calibration files for the E-P1 + 17mm and 14-42mm kit lenses.

    Cheers

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    Re: Is GF1 is E-P1 killer?

    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    Indeed. Getting out of the chair would have allowed for a better framing or atleast better cropping possibilities after the capture.

    Not bad for a shot while enjoying a beverage.

    Reminds of one my shots when my rear was glued to the steps I was sitting on and not capturing the scene from a better angle.

    Vivek,

    That's a very good image....
    Yer eyes are wide awake...........
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    Quote Originally Posted by Streetshooter View Post
    Vivek,

    That's a very good image....
    Yer eyes are wide awake...........
    shooter
    Not to be argumentative, but can you help me understand why you think it is a good image? I know all of this is subjective, but when I look at this my eyes are immediately drawn to the blown out upper portion of the image, and in order to see the "action" (boy with gun), I really have to force myself to look around the image and readjust. My first inclination is to glance and then dismiss.

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    Funny thing...I originally posted...
    "That's a very good sleeper".....
    I changed it on second thought....

    Well....I'll try....the white area you see and are drawn to is in contrast to the lower right dark are and that creates some eye travel...The innocent people walking as if unaware of a gun behind them....let alone a child holding it...POINTING IT!

    I see a detachment in the relationship of the 3 people.....Maybe the child wants a real gun...it just wakes up thoughts in my mind...

    the eye travel works well and moves thru the entire image with minimal interruptions.....

    I love the shape of the bag the man is carrying that goes nicely with his feet...and the lines of the woman's top that forces the eye travel left to right and back again BUT...

    her position in the door frame supports the vertical lines of the other door/window frames...
    That is a dangerous device because it could easily pull the eye travel out of the frame....

    it's a nice slice of daily life that could be anywhere/anytime in this modern day world....

    There is no sign of Vivek in the image except for the image....

    Hope that helps...
    Yeah, I know.....I'm crazy as they get....
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    Re: Is GF1 is E-P1 killer?

    Don, Thanks for the kind words.

    The reason I was not satisfied was the clutter of bikes in the background influencing the shot quite a bit (why I posted this for Kevin).

    I shot this a little over an year ago in Barcelona. It took me several months after that to what I should have done better. The gear I used was OK. A slightly wider angle and getting a bit closer would have helped but I was sitting down which to me was the crucial (-ve) factor in bagging this.

    The blown top that attracted nostatic is of no concern to me.

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    Re: Is GF1 is E-P1 killer?

    Ok

    I shoot then crop later...have no fear of cropping.... rely on whatever artistic eye i have to decide the right composition

    1) is original shot
    2) is the one i should have posted... but was so excited i had finally tamed the e-p1
    3) is a radical crop.. that i dont like but shows how a picture can have a multitude of interpretations

    thoughts and comments welcome

    cheers
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    just for interest here is my crop on viveks post... sorry for cropping most of the watermark

    cheers

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    Last edited by kevinparis; 19th October 2009 at 07:31.

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    Re: Is GF1 is E-P1 killer?

    Now I ain't one to stir things up Kevin so I won't.....
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    Re: Is GF1 is E-P1 killer?

    street?

    you have me worried.... what have i done now ?

    K

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    Re: Is GF1 is E-P1 killer?

    No worries K. That shot was forgotten for what it is but I like it for the lessons I learned after reviewing it.

    This one is no crop, the whole frame with resize. Could have done a better job on the focus bit.


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    Re: Is GF1 is E-P1 killer?

    Kevin,

    Well, ya asked soooo.

    In your image, the 1st one...it works as is....I know...but bear with me....
    The eye travel goes from the woman on the left....kinda "U" movement to the man in the rear then to the subject and the girl....

    THEN............

    travels down the girls arm to the BIKE....to the MUFFLER...that sends ya over to the woman on the left again cause the muffler is in direct connection with the back of the chair.....
    but...it moves to her arm that's out of the frame....(TENSION)...to the little man in back and all over again....

    the subject of the ball and heads works in kinda oval direction all by it self...thus your need to just have that in the image....(#3)....
    without the bike (#2)...the right side is weak and does not let the eye explore......plus is supports the black of the woman on the left....

    sumptin like dat!

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    Re: Is GF1 is E-P1 killer?

    so what .. there is an unwritten rule about cropping someone elses photos for purely illustrative /educational purposes?

    sorry if i transgressed that rule

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    Re: Is GF1 is E-P1 killer?

    Whoa.....relax....just having fun right?

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    Re: Is GF1 is E-P1 killer?

    street

    ok... out of sync here.. but hear what you are saying... so my first choice was right :-)

    heheheheh

    photography is so much fun

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    Re: Is GF1 is E-P1 killer?

    Quote Originally Posted by Streetshooter View Post
    Funny thing...I originally posted...
    "That's a very good sleeper".....
    I changed it on second thought....

    Well....I'll try....the white area you see and are drawn to is in contrast to the lower right dark are and that creates some eye travel...The innocent people walking as if unaware of a gun behind them....let alone a child holding it...POINTING IT!

    I see a detachment in the relationship of the 3 people.....Maybe the child wants a real gun...it just wakes up thoughts in my mind...

    the eye travel works well and moves thru the entire image with minimal interruptions.....

    I love the shape of the bag the man is carrying that goes nicely with his feet...and the lines of the woman's top that forces the eye travel left to right and back again BUT...

    her position in the door frame supports the vertical lines of the other door/window frames...
    That is a dangerous device because it could easily pull the eye travel out of the frame....

    it's a nice slice of daily life that could be anywhere/anytime in this modern day world....

    There is no sign of Vivek in the image except for the image....

    Hope that helps...
    Yeah, I know.....I'm crazy as they get....
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    Thanks for the explanation. I think it is just down to personal bias as well as the way people see/scan. Even with Kevin's crop the blown out top overwhelms my eye and I have to force myself to see the point of the shot. The gun barrel is rather lost in the shadow so I am forced to extrapolate - but again, my eye keeps getting distracted by the top of the screen.

    But that is the beauty of art. It is different things to different people. I have plenty of my own shots that I love and some people also love but others don't really see much of anything or don't like them. That doesn't make them less relevant. I like the intent of this shot, but the way that my eye and brain work makes it difficult for me to engage it.

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    I am loving how this thread ... which started as a 'gear war' thread has mutated through discussions on wine to an analysis of composition....

    gotta love get DPI...

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    Quote Originally Posted by kevinparis View Post
    I am loving how this thread ... which started as a 'gear war' thread has mutated through discussions on wine to an analysis of composition....

    gotta love get DPI...

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    it's no DPR

    (and that's a good thing).

    Actually there are some aspects to the image that I quite like. As street pointed out, the bag the guy is carrying has great geometry, and I love how the boy is caught in a shaft of light.

    I'm wondering if this was either shot at a wider aperture or with a bigger sensor (to give less DOF) if the background would have washed a bit more and my eye wouldn't get caught up in it so much. Or perhaps I just just up my dosage

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    it's no DPR

    (and that's a good thing).

    Never will be. But Terry gets the credit for watching this one and a good reason she is a moderator.

    I think a lesson here is these are 1000 dollar units built and made mostly for the consumer . They will never be made of gold, silver or platinum and as much as a OEM tries to make them very good they will always run into the investment per unit going in. They do a very very good job of it but we have to remember our expectations as well and mostly everyone on this forum is NOT the typical consumer shopper. Most people here are much more advanced in there photography education and artistic abilities. Getting features and functions that make sense to the advanced shooter is not always what they put into these machines either and you folks are making a basic machine into something even more special for your uses and that is a great thing to do but with that limitations of unit creep in as well. So some features for some folks may seem great and for others seem like a basic washboard trying to wash cloths in a creek 5 miles down the road. Some things that may help is trying to keep a balance on what works and what does not and finding ways to work around them, I have said many times as a Pro our job is problem solving. Nothing different here as well and when I look at this forum I am amazed of what you folks are doing with basically a advanced P&S camera. First give yourself a pat on the back for that you deserve it but you also have to remember you can only squeeze so much out of them and your opinions on any one of them will vary just as much as diverse you are as people. That my friends is what makes us special is our diversity and I see that in this forum everyday and don't lose sight of that. At 5pm we all are at the bar having a drink and a laugh with each other. Oh and BTW I want a GF-1 too. LOL
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