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    Bummer.

    I ordered mine (with 20 mm lens) last week and the ship date was originally 10/1. Now the item is on backorder and the customer support people say "I am sure we will have some more ....".

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    clearly this format is a runaway success ... seems like the camera makers are again failed by their follow the formula methods of bigger and bulkier DSLRs when people really want more compact and better image quality.

    I'm just playing with an OM-10 I bought recently ... surprisingly its nearly the same size as my G1

    interesting

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    Just curious. How many other people are awaiting a GF1?

    Also, is everyone waiting to get them from Panasonic or from other sources?

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    Me too.

    I'm on Robert's list.
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    Re: GF1 now on backorder at Panasonic

    They are getting cameras everyday. They thought the 14-45 camera was going to be delayed and I got an email stating 4-6 weeks on Monday. Well it shipped yesterday and will arrive today.
    I'm pretty confident you will see more 20mm kits come in stock soon.

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    Darn! I'm running against the clock and it seems like the clock is going to win. I leave for a 15 day trip to Rio de Janeiro (Brazil) on October 30th and I've already sold the E-P1. Alternatively I was hoping that maybe the Canon S90 or the Pentax K-X would be available before the GF1 but it doesn't look good at all.

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    I'm thinking about the Canon S90 for my wife. It looks like a great purse size camera. She thinks the E-P1 was too big! She hated when I took the M8 and lenses anywhere even though it was insured she worried that someone would steal it and we couldn't get up an dance without worrying.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TEBnewyork View Post
    They are getting cameras everyday. They thought the 14-45 camera was going to be delayed and I got an email stating 4-6 weeks on Monday. Well it shipped yesterday and will arrive today.
    I'm pretty confident you will see more 20mm kits come in stock soon.
    When did you order? And who did you order from?

    I ordered 10/1 and have received no email saying the order was delayed. In fact the original order confirmation had a shipping date of 10/2, which did not happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jerryk View Post
    Just curious. How many other people are awaiting a GF1?
    Also, is everyone waiting to get them from Panasonic or from other sources?
    Jerry
    All of them come from Panasonic one way or another, don't they?

    Anyway, I'm passing on the GF1 for now to save money (although I suspect I'll want one eventually) but asked my local dealer about getting a 20/1.7 lens separately.

    The dealer guy emailed me yesterday that they were told these won't be in the warehouse until Oct. 30, with delivery to dealers about a week after that. I don't know if that gives any clue as to Panasonic's ship cycle on the camera bodies, but it makes it sound as if they're coming in fairly widely-separated batches...

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    This was direct from Panasonic not Shopatron. If your order was routed to Shopatron, you really are better off setting yourself up with a username and password at Panasonic and your order will stay with them

    Do you have a reference number for your order?
    You can go to UPS and then click the tracking tab and track by reference number. The reference number is the Panasonic order number.

    I am on the west coast and everything comes from California for my orders. It seems like when new stock is coming from Japan, the CA warehouse gets it a day or two ahead of the warehouses further east.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TEBnewyork View Post
    This was direct from Panasonic not Shopatron. If your order was routed to Shopatron, you really are better off setting yourself up with a username and password at Panasonic and your order will stay with them

    Do you have a reference number for your order?
    You can go to UPS and then click the tracking tab and track by reference number. The reference number is the Panasonic order number.

    I am on the west coast and everything comes from California for my orders. It seems like when new stock is coming from Japan, the CA warehouse gets it a day or two ahead of the warehouses further east.
    I am also on the West Coast, near San Francisco.

    My order is with Panasonic, at least is says "Club Panasonic". What is Shopatron?

    I did get a reference # with the order and have been checking daily. So far nothing shows up on the UPS site.

    BTW, when did you place your order?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rawfa View Post
    Darn! I'm running against the clock and it seems like the clock is going to win. I leave for a 15 day trip to Rio de Janeiro (Brazil) on October 30th and I've already sold the E-P1. Alternatively I was hoping that maybe the Canon S90 or the Pentax K-X would be available before the GF1 but it doesn't look good at all.
    You could probably get a Leica M9

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    For me getting a M9 is a lot faster.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jerryk View Post
    I am also on the West Coast, near San Francisco.

    My order is with Panasonic, at least is says "Club Panasonic". What is Shopatron?

    I did get a reference # with the order and have been checking daily. So far nothing shows up on the UPS site.

    BTW, when did you place your order?

    Jerry
    Ordered 10/1. Shipped last night (part of a bigger order with overnight delivery) arriving today. You can try calling them but my guess yours is in this batch and if you are in CA it will come this week.

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    I bought mine from Amazon with the kit lens. The 20mm lens and viewfinder are in short supply.
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    Mine was pre-ordered from Amazon the day it was announced and it arrived yesterday. They charged my credit-card five days earlier but the email confirming it had shipped actually arrived about 20 minutes after the camera itself did...

    My first disappointment is that the only charged battery I had handy was an aftermarket one for my G1 and thanks to Panasonic's firmware safeguards, the camera refused to turn on with it...

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    Quote Originally Posted by barjohn View Post
    I'm thinking about the Canon S90 for my wife.
    Hmm, please keep me posted. Methinks this might be a better compact than most. I'm toying with the idea of having one for myself but I'm holding off until I see real-life results.

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    Quote Originally Posted by barjohn View Post
    I'm thinking about the Canon S90 for my wife. It looks like a great purse size camera. She thinks the E-P1 was too big! She hated when I took the M8 and lenses anywhere even though it was insured she worried that someone would steal it and we couldn't get up an dance without worrying.
    Sure, your wife

    I have to say I'm VERY impressed with the samples at DPReview. They has this little camera shooting iso 3200! The best compact around for high iso (the LX3) shooting iso 800 is a hit and miss, so I think that having usable iso 1600 from the S90 is a great achievement (the G11 samples are equally good, but with that size it's hard to consider it a compact...specially now with the E-P1 and the GF1).

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    Quote Originally Posted by TEBnewyork View Post
    Ordered 10/1. Shipped last night (part of a bigger order with overnight delivery) arriving today. You can try calling them but my guess yours is in this batch and if you are in CA it will come this week.
    Thanks. I hope your guess is correct. I have my fingers crossed!

    Jerry

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    Re: GF1 now on backorder at Panasonic

    Quote Originally Posted by Audii-Dudii View Post
    My first disappointment is that the only charged battery I had handy was an aftermarket one for my G1 and thanks to Panasonic's firmware safeguards, the camera refused to turn on with it...
    Thanks for that information. That rules it out for me.

    As long as Pana and any others try this, I will not be buying their cams unless their batteries are not as ridiculously priced as Panasonic's.

    Euro 89.50 is the list price here, for that stinking battery.

    Aftermarket battery (that works better and lasts longer on a G1), in comparison, is ~4 Euros/shipped.

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    Thanks for that information. That rules it out for me.

    As long as Pana and any others try this, I will not be buying their cams unless their batteries are not as ridiculously priced as Panasonic's.

    Euro 89.50 is the list price here, for that stinking battery.

    Aftermarket battery (that works better and lasts longer on a G1), in comparison, is ~4 Euros/shipped.
    Canon is doing that with it's newer DSLRs. The battery for a 5DMK2 was about $120 USD but has drop into the $60-70 range. The batteries have a chip with serial number and provided information about how many times they have been charged and the remaining lifespan which is nice. But they sure are expensive.

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    If you think about it (other than price) you can understand a manufacturers reluctance to allow the use of third party batteries given the poor quality of some of the made in China batteries and their propensity to occasionally explode or catch on fire. They don't want claims made against them for either warranty work or liability. Frankly, I don't think they sell enough batteries for that to be the motivating factor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by barjohn View Post
    If you think about it (other than price) you can understand a manufacturers reluctance to allow the use of third party batteries given the poor quality of some of the made in China batteries and their propensity to occasionally explode or catch on fire. They don't want claims made against them for either warranty work or liability. Frankly, I don't think they sell enough batteries for that to be the motivating factor.

    Can you back that claim with any real proof?

    Can the manufacturers guarantee that their batteries will not lead to such "explosions" or "fire"?

    I would like to know where such tales are manufactured.

    (Oh, canon can do whatever they want. )

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    What I find interesting about this whole battery issue is how not one of the sellers of aftermarket batteries on eBay make any mention whatsoever of the fact that their battery won't work in the cameras as claimed. Surely they are aware of this by now? The fact they're pretending otherwise certainly does cast some doubt as to their integrity...

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    I don't have the time or inclination to search the web for stories on exploding Li batteries nor damaged electronics due to faulty batteries but there have been many. If you use the manufacturers battery and it damages your camera you have a valid warranty claim so yes they can and do guarantee their batteries and they face product liability claims should a person be injured as a result. Such tales are manufactured in court rooms across the country. Do a Google search and you will undoubtedly find such cases.
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    That is because Panasonic introduced that in one of their firmware updates after the introduction of G1 and GH-1. Prior to that it wasn't a problem.

    If someone is selling batteries for the GF-1 and not mentioning it then the buyer gets hit not Panasonic (if they do not say it explicitly to the buyer of the GF-1) and not the seller.

    FWIW, none of the 3rd party batteries I use on my G1s malfunctioned even once. For that matter the 3rds party batteries I use on various other digital cams have not malfunctioned either.

    Quote Originally Posted by Audii-Dudii View Post
    What I find interesting about this whole battery issue is how not one of the sellers of aftermarket batteries on eBay make any mention whatsoever of the fact that their battery won't work in the cameras as claimed. Surely they are aware of this by now? The fact they're pretending otherwise certainly does cast some doubt as to their integrity...
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    Vivek,

    It only takes one to ruin your day.
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    Re: GF1 now on backorder at Panasonic

    Quote Originally Posted by barjohn View Post
    I don't have the time or inclination to search the web for stories on exploding Li batteries nor damaged electronics due to faulty batteries but there have been many.

    We are discussing digital cameras and in particular the one made for m4/3rds by Panasonic.

    If Panasonic did find that any 3rd party battery damaged their camera(s) and/ or the user and as a result they did this, they should publish this as a safety measure.

    Not a single story that I can find that substantiate your claims and you are manufacturing stories related to Panasonic cameras and 3rd party batteries.

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    Re: GF1 now on backorder at Panasonic

    Not a single link to Panasonic cameras!

    If this battery issue related to m4/3rds cameras are true, I do not see any warning from Panasonic. That alone ought to constitute some liability.

    What makes this absurd is we are discussing about a camera that would take dozens of adapters and would use many many lenses from various systems.

    Can you dig up reports of adapters damaging devices. Going by your analogy, you need not restrict adapters to cameras and lenses. It can be a drain pipe or something...



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    The issue relates to poorly made (let's call it shoddy manufacturing) batteries. It relates to cameras because cameras use them. A manufacturer can control the quality they get in two ways. 1) the manufacturer they select to make their batteries and 2) the specifications they require their batteries to be manufactured to. Batteries that internally short, have high current surges or any of a number of potential problems that are poorly made are risks they do not wish to take. You are of course free to use whatever you like as a battery in another context. I remember when Leica came out with a warning on the use of third party batteries and the fact that it voided their warranty. I think I recall their later firmware requires a Leica battery with a chip also. Lithium Ion batteries are known to be dangerous and need to be made to higher standards.

    In any case it only takes one law suit to make a manufacturer battery shy.
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    The issue is false information and greed (Panasonic).

    What makes their battery worth Euro 89.50?

    What makes you think that all 3rd party batteries do not have a electronic chip to regulate the current/voltage?

    Say Pentax and other cams which use AA batteries- where is the chip? NiMH batteries and Li ion batteries are used in flashes. Should they not explode?

    If Panasonic would put a control chip in the camera to regulate the current instead trying to make loads of money off their own batteries, this problem would not arise.


    What about the E-P1? Is it waiting to explode when used with a non Olympus battery?

    Re: Leica- IIRC, battery was the least of their problems.
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    Vivek, I'm not saying their batteries are worth Euro 89.50. Are you suggesting that all battery manufacturers build to the same quality standards and specifications? I hope you don't believe that. The Chinese government is known for its lax quality standards see the recalled cough syrup and many other products many of which were toxic. The problem when you buy from a small vendor on eBay selling a no name third party battery is you don't know what you are getting. Maybe you will be lucky and the seller is buying from a legitimate battery manufacturer possibly the same one that supplies Panasonic with their batteries but maybe not. So who do you go to if the battery destroys the electronics in your camera or catches fire or injures you? If it's a Panasonic battery I know who you go to. If it is some little ebay seller I think its called being sh*t out of luck.
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    Re: GF1 now on backorder at Panasonic

    This topic has been beaten to death!

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    Re: GF1 now on backorder at Panasonic

    Quote Originally Posted by TEBnewyork View Post
    This topic has been beaten to death!
    Terry, wait! Don't close the thread! I have valuable information to contribute!

    The price Vivek quotes, EURO89.50, is about USD132.20 (at current exchange rates).

    In Australia, the DMW-BLB13 Panasonic battery for the G1 costs AUD189.00 (about USD170.90). So the same battery is nearly 30% more expensive in Australia than it is in Europe.

    The solution? Buy the Panasonic batteries from the US, where B&H (for example) lists them at USD54.95. I just ordered three from Robert (monza) for a unit price slightly lower than the B&H price (though that might have been because either he is or I am an all-around nice guy or because I'd ordered a 20/1.7 at the same time).
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    Re: GF1 now on backorder at Panasonic

    Jonathon, Wow! (Thanks for the tip, btw )

    So, we are blessed to get it at 30% bargain!

    John, If you want to bat for monopolies, they could get hit with larger fines, eventually.

    The mighty MS took a big hit here with their browser. Unlike the US, the lobbies are a bit more complex (not saying they don't exist) and the chances of the monopoly practices getting punished in the EU are greater than in the US.
    There are lot more MEPs than the handful of senators that can be influenced, for starters.

    Cough syrups and tooth pastes may harm a few. That is nothing compared to the magic white powder demonstrated as being the truth on the UN floors.

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    Getting back to order status.

    Today's call to Panasonic yielded the comment that they should have some kits next month (Nov) or the month after. I hope the person was just being pessimistic, but that is what she stated.

    So until then I will have to enjoy the GF1 vicariously through everyone's post and samples.

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    Re: GF1 now on backorder at Panasonic

    Quote Originally Posted by jerryk View Post
    Getting back to order status.

    Today's call to Panasonic yielded the comment that they should have some kits next month (Nov) or the month after. I hope the person was just being pessimistic, but that is what she stated.

    So until then I will have to enjoy the GF1 vicariously through everyone's post and samples.
    That is just so strange. Sorry, if I gave false hope.

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    Re: The Solution

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    The solution? Buy the Panasonic batteries from the US, where B&H (for example) lists them at USD54.95.
    Darn, that's done it. The next Panasonic software update will have country codes on it like the DVD zone system so you'll have to get your batteries from Oz again

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    I'm getting nervous here about getting one for the workshop. I wanted the 20mm but may have to change directions for now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jerryk View Post
    Getting back to order status.

    Today's call to Panasonic yielded the comment that they should have some kits next month (Nov) or the month after. I hope the person was just being pessimistic, but that is what she stated.

    So until then I will have to enjoy the GF1 vicariously through everyone's post and samples.
    Jerry, why don't you pursue other avenues to get the GF1? Other people are getting theirs so there must be some around. I saw a post elsewhere where the poster walked into a store and they were sitting on a shelf (Canada) I noticed that Amazon has the 14-45 kit in stock and it lists J & R and Crutchfields have them in stock. I can't remember what kit you had ordered. I also wonder if B & H and Adorama will show them in stock after Succos on Monday? Nothing is happening on their web sites (or stores) until then--

    Other than that---I can only commiserate with you

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    I'm getting nervous here about getting one for the workshop. I wanted the 20mm but may have to change directions for now.
    Since you're local to me (I'm in Scottsdale) and you're apparently trustworthy and reliable, I might be persuaded to let you borrow mine for a bit ... when is the workshop?

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    Re: The Solution

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    Darn, that's done it. The next Panasonic software update will have country codes on it like the DVD zone system so you'll have to get your batteries from Oz again
    Shh..don't feed them any such wicked ideas.

    OTOH, they could even make it owner specific. Buy a camera, register it and, of course, the battery () to get the key to unlock it.

    This way, they can be certain that only one owner is responsible for any possible mishaps and nothing is tampered with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    Shh..don't feed them any such wicked ideas.

    OTOH, they could even make it owner specific. Buy a camera, register it and, of course, the battery () to get the key to unlock it.

    This way, they can be certain that only one owner is responsible for any possible mishaps and nothing is tampered with.
    If they really wanted to ensure you only used their batteries all they have to do is make not accessible to the owner. Apple does this all the time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by m3photo View Post
    Darn, that's done it. The next Panasonic software update will have country codes on it like the DVD zone system so you'll have to get your batteries from Oz again
    That would be pretty funny if it weren't for the fact that most DVD players sold in Australia now are region-free after the Australian Competition and Consumer Commission argued (against Sony) in the High Court that region coding infringed the consumer's right to buy products at the best price. The ACC won the case then lost on appeal but region-free DVD players became freely available anyway.

    Perhaps we need the ACCC to start an investigation into the price of digital camera batteries in Australia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jerryk View Post
    all they have to do is make not accessible to the owner. Apple does this all the time.
    I don't understand what you're saying here?
    Can you explain?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JayCee View Post
    I don't understand what you're saying here?
    Can you explain?
    Apple iPods and iPhone have a built-in battery that cannot be changed by the user (at least not by any normal user). That's true, but irrelevant: my original, generation 2001 iPod (5G hard drive model with mechanical wheel) is still running on the original battery and will still play for 7 hours on a charge.

    That's 30% down from what it did when it was new, but heck: for the amount of use it has given me, I'm not complaining.

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    I don't understand what you're saying here?
    Can you explain?
    Ipods, iPhones, Touch, the Mac Air notebook (and supposedly the new Mac tablet) have fixed batteries. Lithium batteries have a 2-3 year lifespan from date of manufactures. In the case of these Apple devices you have to send them back to Apple get the batteries replaced.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jerryk View Post
    Ipods, iPhones, Touch, the Mac Air notebook (and supposedly the new Mac tablet) have fixed batteries. Lithium batteries have a 2-3 year lifespan from date of manufactures. In the case of these Apple devices you have too send them back to Apple get the batteries replaced.
    Way off topic, but this guy fixed my son's Nano. Seems to have lots of options to fix ipods including new batteries.

    http://store.ifixipodsfast.com/

    I've seen some GF1 bodies for sale recently. And I've seen at least one 20/1.7 lens, so there are options to waiting for Panasonic until November. Maybe check with Monza and see were you would be in line if you gave him a deposit.

    I'm anxious for my GF1. Never been this excited about a camera since I bought my first M.

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