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    Quote Originally Posted by monza View Post
    Very nice.

    Finally have some geared adapters on the way, I'm crossing fingers that they have all the tolerances and dimensions correct. Teflon coatings should make things smooth-fitting.
    Hi monza,
    Teflon coatings sound pretty nice. In the meantime, I post another image with an RJ adapter. Lumix G1 + Contax G Carl Zeiss Sonnar 90mm. Aperture @ f2.8.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Leica 77 View Post
    (...) In the meantime, I post another image with an RJ adapter. Lumix G1 + Contax G Carl Zeiss Sonnar 90mm. Aperture @ f2.8. [/IMG]
    The Sonnar 90/2.8 is a wonderful lens. I really like the way it draws. There is a certain real to life level seldom seen. That is true for the Planar 45/2 as well. And your image is OK.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonas View Post
    What's up with these coming adapters? Are there any descriptions or images available, or even brief comments on how they work and what they will offer over the existing ones?
    Lol, that was asking for too much I guess.


    Quote Originally Posted by slau View Post
    For me, my life is too short to wait for some unknown . I have been happily using my RJ adapter with my G lenses for a few months now, including a trip to Cuba. It is not like there are no choices as last year any more.
    You are right Stephen. There is no point in waiting. I enjoy my 45 and 90mm combo a lot, they are a wonderful complement to my other lenses with more or less odd personal views of the world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonas View Post
    The Sonnar 90/2.8 is a wonderful lens. I really like the way it draws. There is a certain real to life level seldom seen. That is true for the Planar 45/2 as well. And your image is OK.
    Cheers,
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    Hi Jonas,
    Many thanks!

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    Hi, this is my first post on this forum - so hello everyone - but I have read this topic for a few month now (since I have bought E-P1), because I wanted to get as much information about Contax G lenses as I could get. I know that Planar 45 and Sonnar 90 are superb lenses but I would like to know how do they perform in portrait frames? Thing is - I want mainly portrait lenses and I'm considering both SMC Takumar 50/1.4 or Planar 45/2. I know Planar is damn sharp but what about bokeh? There are more portrait examples on internet from Takumar but I'm not sure about it's coatings and age. Also size of the planar and how it looks on E-P1 makes me dreaming more about it. I haven't bought any lenses so any samples or suggestions would be highly appreciated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alpine View Post
    Hi, this is my first post on this forum - so hello everyone - but I have read this topic for a few month now (since I have bought E-P1), because I wanted to get as much information about Contax G lenses as I could get. I know that Planar 45 and Sonnar 90 are superb lenses but I would like to know how do they perform in portrait frames? Thing is - I want mainly portrait lenses and I'm considering both SMC Takumar 50/1.4 or Planar 45/2. I know Planar is damn sharp but what about bokeh? There are more portrait examples on internet from Takumar but I'm not sure about it's coatings and age. Also size of the planar and how it looks on E-P1 makes me dreaming more about it. I haven't bought any lenses so any samples or suggestions would be highly appreciated.
    In my experience the Planar 45/2 and the Takumar (or any of the later reincarnations) are very different lenses.

    The Planar is a modern high contrast lens with a resolution beating even the Zuiko 50/2 Macro or the Zuiko OM 50/2 Macro. The bokeh can be a bit rough wide open but from f/2.8 it does everything right.

    The Pentax series of 50/1.4 lenses are truly soft wide open, sports quite some veiling flare and the background bokeh is worse than the foreground bokeh. There is also more, quite some actually, of defocus CA than with the Planar.

    That said all these lenses can be used for portrait work (the 90 being a bit long to my taste but otherwise impeccable) if the user thinks about what he/she is doing.

    Some say a portrait lens can be too sharp. I don't know where that opinion comes from, perhaps somebody liking a lens they have that is soft until stopped down. It is very easy to make an image softer in PP, getting lost details back is otoh impossible.

    The Takumar you are thinking about is of course cheaper, just as it should be. The Planar 45/2 and the Sonnar 90/2.8 are both bargains in my opinion, also when including the more expensive adapter.

    well, there you have my 2 cents,

    /Jonas

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    Thank you Jonas for your "2 cents". Here in Poland where I live Takumars are quite popular and easy to find - opposite to Planars. From samples on internet I find the same conclusion as you Jonas. Maybe anyone else who have experience in both lenses would be so nice to write any comment or samples?

    Maybe I should open a new topic but here already are some great photos from contax piece of glass that I found it the right place to ask my question.

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    There are usually Zeiss Contax G system lenses available at eBay. If you want a luxury black 45mm Planar I have one I can part from. I also have an extra Sonnar 90/2.8. I just did a quick search at eBay. Not many there, but they are available. If you are in Poland and buy from somebody in the EU there will be no extra tax or other fees applicable.

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    Thank you Jonas for the proposal but I'm afraid I can't afford the rare black version. I'm sarching on ebay for rather cheaper occasion. We have also popular ebay'like site in Poland and there I think will find a good deal sooner or later. But feel free to send me PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alpine View Post
    We have also popular ebay'like site in Poland and there I think will find a good deal sooner or later. But feel free to send me PM.
    If you are looking for an as cheap as possible one you are right; the black ones are rare and cost more. Patience is a virtue... I really need to learn that myself.
    Good luck,

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    I've been following the thread and just got a 45/2. I ordered the adapter
    which circles the whole lens. I have to say that, so far, it is a little rough
    to focus.. stops and starts. I'm thinking of getting one of the wheel
    adapters next for the 90...... The "Kipon Adapter" seems to have a slightly
    larger wheel which seems to make sense. Anyone using this adapter?

    oh yea, a hand held shot in dim interior light....

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    Quote Originally Posted by hodad66 View Post
    I've been following the thread and just got a 45/2. I ordered the adapter
    which circles the whole lens. I have to say that, so far, it is a little rough
    to focus.. stops and starts. I'm thinking of getting one of the wheel
    adapters next for the 90...... The "Kipon Adapter" seems to have a slightly
    larger wheel which seems to make sense. Anyone using this adapter?

    oh yea, a hand held shot in dim interior light....
    I have ordered one a few days ago, but I'm still waiting for it. I'm impatient to try it now. I own both Contax G Zeiss lenses and M lenses from the film time. At first there were no adapter for the G lenses, so I got the Novoflex for the Leica lenses. When finally a Contax G adapter came out, I wasn't really interested : they were not supporting either of the WA lenses and I already had the M lenses covering 35mm, 50mm and 90mm. So I thought that getting the Contax adapter would be redundant.

    Seeing some pictures taken with the G lenses at Dpreview and even more here made me change my mind : the pictures you get from the Zeiss lenses are really different from the ones produced with the M lenses. With them, the bokeh is really soft and beautifull, but the Zeiss lenses should be sharper from what I see here, all the more so that I have older Summilux lenses.

    When I ordered the new Kipon adapter with the bigger wheel, I hadn't yet read all the messages of this thread and didn't know about the one with a full ring. Perhaps that I have missed a better one ? or perhaps not after all ? I'll report about my experiences when I get it.

    Now if only a camera taking all that nice Contax G glass was available ! My preferred lense was the 21mm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonas View Post
    In my experience the Planar 45/2 and the Takumar (or any of the later reincarnations) are very different lenses.

    The Planar is a modern high contrast lens with a resolution beating even the Zuiko 50/2 Macro or the Zuiko OM 50/2 Macro. The bokeh can be a bit rough wide open but from f/2.8 it does everything right.
    /Jonas
    I confirm, the bokey is quite harsh. After using the Zeiss lenses for several years, I was marvelled by the soft bokey of the M lenses. But these Zeiss lenses have other qualities.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jonas View Post

    That said all these lenses can be used for portrait work (the 90 being a bit long to my taste but otherwise impeccable) if the user thinks about what he/she is doing.

    Some say a portrait lens can be too sharp. I don't know where that opinion comes from, perhaps somebody liking a lens they have that is soft until stopped down. It is very easy to make an image softer in PP, getting lost details back is otoh impossible.

    /Jonas
    Zeiss lenses will show you all the skins imperfections and all the small wrinkles.. this is one style of portrait which not every body likes. Usually people prefer softer portraits.

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    Hard anodized, teflon infill, brass gearing.

    More to come soon.


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    Quote Originally Posted by monza View Post
    Hard anodized, teflon infill, brass gearing.

    More to come.
    Thanks for the news and picture of the long awaited adapter. Interesting that you are finally showing a focusing wheel, rather than a focusing ring.

    But wow.. do I see clealy ? is your adapter sitting on a 28mm lense? did you put it on an MFT camera ? what about the protruding plastic ears behind the lenses ? do you have to cut them ? or is your adapter able to take the WA lenses without altering them ?

    If so, is it possible to have infinity in focus when the lense is stopped down ? and how much stops do you have to stop down so that everything is in focus from say 4-5 meters to infinite ? Well, with diffraction entering in the equation, this will probably not make the 28mm very usefull anyway.. too bad.. and it's probably the same for the 21mm.

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    thanks for the pic Monza..... interesting looking
    adapter.... think that I will wait to see more of yours
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    Quote Originally Posted by Annna T View Post
    Zeiss lenses will show you all the skins imperfections and all the small wrinkles.. this is one style of portrait which not every body likes. Usually people prefer softer portraits.
    Yes, of course. But there is usually no problem making the sking softer and more pleasing, is there?

    Quote Originally Posted by monza View Post
    Hard anodized, teflon infill, brass gearing.
    Finally! And if looks like something one would like to fell, not only look at.

    /Jonas

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    Quote Originally Posted by Annna T View Post
    Thanks for the news and picture of the long awaited adapter. Interesting that you are finally showing a focusing wheel, rather than a focusing ring.

    But wow.. do I see clealy ? is your adapter sitting on a 28mm lense? did you put it on an MFT camera ? what about the protruding plastic ears behind the lenses ? do you have to cut them ? or is your adapter able to take the WA lenses without altering them ?

    If so, is it possible to have infinity in focus when the lense is stopped down ? and how much stops do you have to stop down so that everything is in focus from say 4-5 meters to infinite ? Well, with diffraction entering in the equation, this will probably not make the 28mm very usefull anyway.. too bad.. and it's probably the same for the 21mm.
    For this quick photo, I just grabbed the first lens I had laying around, which was the 28mm. The rear element protectors are still on the lens. They have to be cut in order for the lens to work on micro 4/3.

    The 21 and 28 are great lenses on the G1/G2 film cameras, nearly unbeatable, but are not ideal on micro 4/3. I can live with the corner smearing for the most part, but the main problem is there isn't much use for a 42mm and 56mm f/2.8 equivalent...not when there is the superb Panasonic 20mm f/1.7.

    If anyone has the 35-70 f/3.5-5.6 Contax zoom, that lens has removable 'ears.'

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    Quote Originally Posted by monza View Post

    The 21 and 28 are great lenses on the G1/G2 film cameras, nearly unbeatable, but are not ideal on micro 4/3. I can live with the corner smearing for the most part, but the main problem is there isn't much use for a 42mm and 56mm f/2.8 equivalent...not when there is the superb Panasonic 20mm f/1.7.
    Agree with monza 100%. While the G 21/28 are good, I cannot see they are so much better than the Panasonic 20f1.7 that we will give up the small size, weight and speed of the relatively inexpensive Panasonic lens. The quality of the Panasonic lens is amazingly good already for its price.
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    [QUOTE=monza;197942]Hard anodized, teflon infill, brass gearing.

    More to come soon.

    Hi Monza,
    Looking good and eagerly awaiting more pics. Question about distribution, how do you plan to get this to market, ebay, own website, here? Will you let us know? Any idea on pricing or plans for pre-ordering?

    Best regards,
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    AWESOME!! Monza- the wider gear looks great. I'm ready to pick one up!!

    How smooth is focusing with this new gear?

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    I'm pretty pleased with the focusing. Now just have to get the spring rate correct for the lens release button.

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    that looks very impressive..... good job.
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    Monza,
    Could you please tell what is the diameter of the focusing wheel and how many turns does it take to focus a 45/2 from infinity to MFD?

    Alex

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    same stucture with old KIPON geared version.

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    Alex, I don't have a 45mm handy (it's at the manufacturer being used for testing.) The 35mm f/2 rotates from near to far in exactly one revolution. If I'm not mistaken, the 45mm is about 1.3 revolutions.

    Diameter of the gear is 18mm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by monza View Post
    Ecitement building up. This looks great and can't wait to hear of news on how to get one of these.
    Cheers,

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    Quote Originally Posted by monza View Post
    Alex, I don't have a 45mm handy (it's at the manufacturer being used for testing.) The 35mm f/2 rotates from near to far in exactly one revolution. If I'm not mistaken, the 45mm is about 1.3 revolutions..
    Bear in mind, near to far in this case means MFD to beyond infinity. The Contax lenses even in their native environment on the G1 and G2 cameras are capable of focusing beyond infinity. (i.e, the lens helical will allow it.)

    In terms of revolutions, it's probably more like 0.9 to go from MFD to actual infinity (as opposed to 1.0 from MFD to the lens's physical stop.)

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    Monza,
    Thank you very much for the clarification.

    Question to all other Contax G adapter users:
    I have an original RJ adapter which I use with 45mm and 80mm. I love these lenses and I would like to get a second adapter.

    Because of the crop factor full frame lenses adapted to mFT need twice as precise focusing compared to the original body. Often times it means that critical focusing needs microscopic movements.

    My RJ adapter needs ~4 turns to go from MFD to infinity. It translates into ~12cm of the finger movement (if you understand what I mean). It looks like the focusing ring adapter and the geared adapters need ~5-6cm to go from infinity to MFD. This is about twice as shorter distance compared to an RJ adapter.

    I sometimes wish that I was able to make more precise focusing with the RJ adapter. Would these new adapters be even more difficult to focus? On the other hand the focusing wheel of the RJ adapter is very hard to reach and it has very small contact area with the finger. It is quite possible that the convenience of the newer adapters will overcome their shorter throw.

    Does somebody have experience with both RJ and geared adapters?

    Alex

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    Alex, I had extensive discussions during the design phase with the mechanical engineer who designed this adapter. Basically, the gearing provides faster focus, but does not reduce precision.

    It really comes down to how much thumb control you have. I find myself using thumb and forefinger; this way you have as much control turning it clockwise as turning it counter-clockwise. It's pretty fast to get accurate focus.
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    Even though the gears are very small they are designed with the proper shape to ensure smoothness. Click on the image to watch.


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    I'm pretty pleased with the focusing. Now just have to get the spring rate correct for the lens release button.
    Hi Monza,
    Your adapter shines and I'm longing to getting one! Two questions first:
    > I suppose the hole on the right side is intended to lodge the release button. Don't you fear its protrusion could reduce access to the camera release button?
    > On your picture, the finish seems a bit rough. Will the final appearence be softer?
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    If you look at the photo, the lens release is actually directly above the camera body lens release button...it doesn't conflict. I'm not sure what you mean by rough, it's a hard anodized machined aluminum with a teflon infill, that's what it is going to look like.

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    Quote Originally Posted by monza View Post
    Alex, I find myself using thumb and forefinger; this way you have as much control turning it clockwise as turning it counter-clockwise. It's pretty fast to get accurate focus.
    Two fingers sound like much better control Related to this question. When I change direction of focusing I feel some free play in the focusing wheel. Part of it is in the lens focusing mechanism and nothing could be done about it. But I think that a good deal of it is in the tolerance of the focusing screwdriver. What is your approach to this part?

    Any ETA on pricing?

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    There will be a bit of play, where the thumbwheel will turn a couple of degrees back and forth before actually engaging focus. This is because the focusing screwdriver cannot mesh too tightly into the receptacle on the lens, otherwise it would be very difficult to mount the lens. It already is a little tricky aligning the screwdriver with the receptacle, but a few minutes of practice makes it relatively easy.

    I'm still haggling with the manufacturer on pricing, should have that done shortly.

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    I really like the 35/2 Planar. These were shot at f/2.



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    I'm not sure what you mean by rough, it's a hard anodized machined aluminum with a teflon infill, that's what it is going to look like.
    I was referring to the 'lines' effect that can be seen on the picture below:
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    CNC machining lines, they are visible but not in any way are they 'rough.' They are smooth to the touch. Yes, it's possible to spend more money to minimize this but I don't want to raise the cost of the product needlessly.

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    I do like the 45/2 too, a very great lens. This one shot at 2:
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    I understand it would be probably more expensive to obtain a perfectly smooth surface and selling price would overstep the line (it's what Leica or Hasselblad do all the time!). Maybe can you disclose some indication on your introductory price or is it still too soon to get an idea about it?

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    I'm still negotiating with the manufacturer on pricing.

    Question: should it include a micro 4/3 rear lens cap?

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    IMO it's not necessary. More important is the rear bayonet design in order it ensures a tight fitting to any cap (often too loose on cheap stuff).
    Just compare, for instance, the Panasonic DMW-MA1 adapter with any RJ adapter. No risk to lose your rear cap with the first!

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    Yep, original Lumix cap fits snug.

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    Wow, monza, wow. I'm drooling. This is my primary reason for shopping for a GF1 or E-Px. I've got the old Contax G2 rangefinder with the 28mm, the 45mm and the 90mm and now they can come back to life. I'm getting sold on the GF1 for a variety of reasons but perhaps the E-PL1 will do (hating the plastic panels though.) Do you foresee any problems fitting on the front of an E-PL1? Rear lens cap is nice but most will likely have one already from existing m43 lenses, no?
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    Re: Contax G to MFT adapter - anyone?

    Quote Originally Posted by Halcyon View Post
    I do like the 45/2 too, a very great lens.
    Yes 45/2 and 80/2.8 are very good with mFT. Unfortunately I had to rule out 28/2.8 after the test.

    45/2
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    80/2.8
    http://alexsouvorov.smugmug.com/Plac...0_kijgG-XL.jpg

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    Second attempt at showing images

    45/2
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    Re: Contax G to MFT adapter - anyone?

    It will fit fine on the E-PL1 and E-P2. I recommend using the viewfinder for critical focusing. Rear cap is handy if you leave the adapter on the lens.

    Alex, nice shots. I think you mean 90/2.8, tho.

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    Quote Originally Posted by monza View Post
    I'm still negotiating with the manufacturer on pricing.

    Question: should it include a micro 4/3 rear lens cap?
    My vote for including a rear m43 lens cap. I like to leave the lens mounted to the adapter and I'm always looking for extra m43 lens caps. I concur on the 35 2. It is a sweet little lens.
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