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    G1 discontinued

    Hi there

    I wrote to my dealer about acquiring a G1 kit... this is the response I got back:

    "Thank you for sending us with your inquiry. We only carry the GF1 and the GH1 at present. Also, the unit will be discontinued shortly in the new year."

    So... is there a G2 on the horizon?

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    Re: G1 discontinued

    to quote "Riddick"

    "had to happen sometime"

    with people tripping over themselves to get a GF-1 which is an a more expensive but inferior camera in spec and cheaper to produce (I reckon the EVF screen alone just about doubles the production cost over the GF) its no wonder. If I was Panasonic I'd perhaps get rid of it now that the ice has been broken.

    Certainly the EVF on the G1 is superior to that of the E-P2

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    Certainly the EVF on the G1 is superior to that of the E-P2
    Hey,
    How did you come to that conclusion? Have you tried out the EP2 EVF? Or did I miss a review somewhere?

    Thanks,

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    Re: G1 discontinued

    Quote Originally Posted by Roel View Post
    Hi there

    I wrote to my dealer about acquiring a G1 kit... this is the response I got back:

    "Thank you for sending us with your inquiry. We only carry the GF1 and the GH1 at present. Also, the unit will be discontinued shortly in the new year."

    So... is there a G2 on the horizon?

    I think your dealer may have meant that THEY no longer stock the G1. You can still order one from Henry's or Vistek. Not sure about Vistek, but Henry's is showing this as being in stock.

    cheers
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    Quote Originally Posted by pellicle View Post
    Certainly the EVF on the G1 is superior to that of the E-P2
    I'm guessing you meant LCD? I have a feeling that the E-P2 EVF is at least as good as the G1 EVF - with the advantage of being articulated and removable.

    Cheers

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian Mosley View Post
    I'm guessing you meant LCD? I have a feeling that the E-P2 EVF is at least as good as the G1 EVF - with the advantage of being articulated and removable.

    Cheers

    Brian
    Yeah, that would make more sense. The swivel LCD with the higher resolution is a big plus as has been stated many times before

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    Re: G1 discontinued

    Guys

    firstly, from a quick review of specs

    secondly from a discussion with a friend in Japan

    I think a quick hunt up will reveal that the VF-2 has 1.15x magnification while the G1 has 1.4x magnification. Clearly this will place the G1 as being bigger to your impression. But there is a reason for the lower magnification. The screen that the Panasonic uses alternates each pixel , to quote from a well known reference "uses a field sequential system that mixes red, green and blue images shown sequentially at 60fps, giving an effective viewfinder resolution of 1.4 million dots at 180 fps." I have also read that the screen the Olympus uses does not do this and uses the more common pixel divided into 3 bars that other screens use. So Technically it has the same number of pixels (1.44Mp), but that's the total count of R, G, and B pixels.

    so this hasn't been stated before and I do know the difference between EVF and rear screen (thanks for the confidence there Doug)
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    The E-P2 EVF is on par quality-wise with the G1 EVF in my casual comparison. Although I prefer the G1's --- because it is on the camera I own.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pellicle View Post
    so this hasn't been stated before and I do know the difference between EVF and rear screen (thanks for the confidence there Doug)
    Umm, actually that would be Brian and Doug; what Brian said made sense to me, so I chimed back in. And no, I wasn't questioning you ability to distinguish between the two (that would obviously be beyond foolish ). I think Brian was just assuming a mistake in your typing...

    My original question was an honest one trying to understand where you were coming from making that statement, and you have answered it quite eloquently, providing some interesting food for thought.

    Of course, the proof will have to be in the pudding (trite, I know), and we'll have to see how it bears out in the real world.

    My specific interest is because I have begun to wonder if the EP-2 with viewfinder might not be the better legacy lens m4/3 system for me while the G1 remains my main body using new lenses...

    Purely speculative of course as it requires actually purchasing an EP-2...

    Again, no lack of confidence implied (quite the opposite actually),

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian Mosley View Post
    I'm guessing you meant LCD? I have a feeling that the E-P2 EVF is at least as good as the G1 EVF - with the advantage of being articulated and removable.

    Cheers

    Brian
    It adds bulk and is more susceptible to damage than the internal EVF in the G1. The G1 is still the best of the lot when it comes to micro-4/3rds when you consider capability and price.

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    While I believe that Santo may be correct, the G1 is not discontinued but that dealer is not now stocking it. If the G1 is discontinued, Panasonic may provide more lens combinations with the GH1 than 14-140. Having only one model rather than two similar cameras will streamline production. I suspect that the cost of production of the GH1 body is not significantly different than the cost of producing the G1, but the GH1 has more features. Panasonic would have then have the GH1 and the GF1. Panasonic can then concentrate on an upgraded, more professional model with a built-in EVF or more a more basic model. Ultimately the G1 will be discontinued and if it has been a marketing success which I think it has been, upgraded models will be introduced.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RichA View Post
    It adds bulk and is more susceptible to damage than the internal EVF in the G1. The G1 is still the best of the lot when it comes to micro-4/3rds when you consider capability and price.
    Personally, I've never cared much for these add-on view finders....partly for the reasons Rich stated. And it sure is hard to beat the G1 for price/performance ratio in a MFT camera....assuming you don't need/want the video.

    Quite happy with mine.....I just wish Panasonic would release a firmware update that allows a one button push to access the manual focusing with non-four/thirds lenses (as they did with the GF-1).

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    Hi

    Quote Originally Posted by greypilgrim View Post
    Umm, actually that would be Brian and Doug; what Brian said made sense to me, so I chimed back in.
    it was the Icon that lead me to feel that ... so sorry about my reaction. I should try to remain neutral at all times


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    Monza

    Quote Originally Posted by monza View Post
    The E-P2 EVF is on par quality-wise with the G1 EVF in my casual comparison. Although I prefer the G1's --- because it is on the camera I own.
    I've not seen one, but I'm guessing that precisely because of the lesser magnification it may be that it will be less obvious.

    I appreciate not everyone wants a larger viewfinder. I happen to love the ones on my older SLR cameras (like my EOS 630 and Pentax MX) and prefer to have it larger to reduce focusing errors (or see when the AF hasn't latched onto what I want).

    personal preference there ... but back to the point, I think that the EVF on the G1 and GH1 is as yet unequalled

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    Quote Originally Posted by pellicle View Post
    Monza

    I've not seen one, ....
    ... but back to the point, I think that the EVF on the G1 and GH1 is as yet unequalled
    This is a good point, and one which causes a lot of banter on the forums - not eased by respected reviewers who give more weighting to specifications - even when they're able to try both cameras on review.

    I like to read the opinions of those early adopters who are able to hold both cameras next to each other and give their honest impressions.

    The comment above, about prefering the camera you own is a very pertinent one... that also has a bearing on what we read.

    After all is said and done, this isn't dpreview - we mostly focus on the photography (thank God!)

    Cheers

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    Just got an E-P2. Couldn't resist...

    Surprisingly, based on fooling around with it for an afternoon, I think the EVF *is* at least as good as my G1. And in low light its better I think. Size wise, its hard to tell going straight from one to the other, but I think the G1 EVF is a tiny bit bigger.

    Ergonomics with this type of camera is certainly different, I think I like shooting it with the EVF pointed straight up... like I do with my medium format cameras... it makes the buttons easier to access.

    So far I really like it, and the diorama art filter is a hoot (esp in Video mode)!

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    Also, if the G1 is out of production - there's never been a better time to pick one up... lagging edge wisdom!

    I'll be happy to sell mine - the E-P2 should be available after Christmas here in the UK.

    Cheers

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    Hi

    Quote Originally Posted by phobus View Post
    Just got an E-P2. Couldn't resist...
    factual information is always welcome ... :-)

    Ergonomics with this type of camera is certainly different, I think I like shooting it with the EVF pointed straight up... like I do with my medium format cameras... it makes the buttons easier to access.
    that's actually the point that I like about the P2 system ... tilting that viewfinder. I happen to think it'd be nifty for me on the tripod too. Presently I'm using the tilt screen for akward shots, but as my close vision is getting further away I tend towards the viewfinder being a better option.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phobus View Post
    Just got an E-P2. Couldn't resist...

    Ergonomics with this type of camera is certainly different, I think I like shooting it with the EVF pointed straight up... like I do with my medium format cameras... it makes the buttons easier to access.
    Congratulations on your new camera.

    I use the viewfinder on the GF1 tilted up as well. Not fully in the vertical position but at least 45 degrees.

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    You can bet the G1 will be dropped. Whenever I get a camera, shortly after it's dropped.

    I acquired the G1 because of what it could do, easilly.
    Vivek's street work proved the camera to me. There are other users here that have great images from it but I am on the streets. The EP2 and it's cousin the GF1 with that finder completely change the dynamics of the camera. It's awkward for what I do.
    The Pen 1 is the champ here and those using it don't need the finder.
    Also, it seems that the camera has adapted to many different styles and delivered.

    The G1 for me is a good sister to the Pen. I hope I can adjust to depending on it.
    The size with the enclosed finder, tilting screen etc makes the camera the current
    benchmark in the format.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian Mosley View Post
    Also, if the G1 is out of production - there's never been a better time to pick one up... lagging edge wisdom!
    Exactly. I just did. $CAD 627.00 (about $US 600) new with the 14-45mm kits lens. Normally, they are selling for $CAD 699.99 to 799.00 up here...

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    Hi



    it was the Icon that lead me to feel that ... so sorry about my reaction. I should try to remain neutral at all times

    Oops, sorry, the dead horse was intended for the joys of using the swivel screen which I think we have all beaten to death many times...

    And you won't hear me arguing about the EVF on the G1. Not perfect, but extremely usable, better for manual focusing than anything I have used optically since film days (I have not tried a FF digital, so I am referring to APS-C optical VF's).

    **if** the EP-2 EVF is the equivalent of the EVF of the G1, then I would seriously consider using it for legacy MF lenses simply because of the in body stabilization.

    It would not replace the G1 for me. The swivel screen is too handy, and the AF performance is a big plus.

    What I continue to look for is my holy grail of a Nikon FM2 as a digital. A camera that gets out of the way, is excellent for MF, has the basic creative controls (ISO, Shutter, Aperture) right there, and doesn't break my neck :-).

    The G1 is the closest I have come to that so far. Still a bit too fiddly, but it's what I am shooting with (my D200 is getting no love these days).

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    Quote Originally Posted by greypilgrim View Post

    And you won't hear me arguing about the EVF on the G1. Not perfect, but extremely usable, better for manual focusing than anything I have used optically since film days (I have not tried a FF digital, so I am referring to APS-C optical VF's).


    Doug
    Since I do have a 5D and a G1 (and GF1 with EVF) then I can compare--for my shooting. I prefer the EVF on my G1 to the OVF on my 5D FF's for day to day shooting--and esp. for manual focusing (and I forgot to mention low light shooting, either AF or MF). I don't shoot sports or the like so the EVF suits me extremely well.

    I would not be upset with either the EP-2 or my GF1 for my alternate small body. I do feel a need for an EVF (and often shoot with the GF1's EVF at about 45 angle)--and the Pen 2 would seem to have the much better one, but its not enough for me to switch at this date--and I do like having the same menus, buttons on the 2 bodies. I'm happy with the GF1 and G1--and will stick with these until there's some outstanding reason to upgrade. What I will put my money into will be the lenses--and I'm still debating the 45, but assume I will probably buy it in the end LOL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by monza View Post
    The E-P2 EVF is on par quality-wise with the G1 EVF in my casual comparison.
    I agree, it's on par. It's different technology, though, and has a different look ... not better or worse, IMO, just different.

    I'd be happy with either EVF, or either camera if one or the other weren't available (although I'm not delighted with the E-P1/E-P2 menus and controls). No sign of that here yet: my local dealer has both in stock.

    I'm happy to keep using what I have until the next round of offerings from both Panasonic and Olympus. Nothing would please me more than to see an even higher spec body in the next year, and a 70mm f/2 lens. ;-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roel View Post
    Exactly. I just did. $CAD 627.00 (about $US 600) new with the 14-45mm kits lens. Normally, they are selling for $CAD 699.99 to 799.00 up here...
    Hi Roel, I can add to this thread for anyone in Canada buying a G1, as you know I have no problem telling customers my cost and working on selling with a mutual fair price, dealer cost of the G1 in Canada is 624.00 CAD. Retail 795.00 in most stores. It gets confusing with costs on each side of the border sometimes very different. This time last year 795.00 Cad was 600.00 usd and Canadian dealers shipped many G1's south. This year 795.00 CAD. is closer to 750.00 usd and now the G1's are coming North. I have been urging Panasonic to find a way to level the cost internationally so dealers like myself can compete on service and knowledge and everyone pays a fair price. I think people paying more or less for the same product damages the good will of a company and detracts from enjoying a great camera. regards and happy new year Bill

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    Quote Originally Posted by Howard View Post
    While I believe that Santo may be correct, the G1 is not discontinued but that dealer is not now stocking it. If the G1 is discontinued, Panasonic may provide more lens combinations with the GH1 than 14-140. Having only one model rather than two similar cameras will streamline production. I suspect that the cost of production of the GH1 body is not significantly different than the cost of producing the G1, but the GH1 has more features. Panasonic would have then have the GH1 and the GF1. Panasonic can then concentrate on an upgraded, more professional model with a built-in EVF or more a more basic model. Ultimately the G1 will be discontinued and if it has been a marketing success which I think it has been, upgraded models will be introduced.
    It would be about time if they replaced the G1 with the GH1. As you point out, from a cost standpoint, there really can't be too big of a difference between the G1 and the GH1, so it would make sense for a manufacturing challenged company like Panasonic to make production a simple as possible with only 2 G series models in concurrent production.

    I really hope the offer the GH1 in a body only option and in multiple colors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phobus View Post
    Just got an E-P2. Couldn't resist...

    Surprisingly, based on fooling around with it for an afternoon, I think the EVF *is* at least as good as my G1. And in low light its better I think. Size wise, its hard to tell going straight from one to the other, but I think the G1 EVF is a tiny bit bigger.

    Ergonomics with this type of camera is certainly different, I think I like shooting it with the EVF pointed straight up... like I do with my medium format cameras... it makes the buttons easier to access.

    So far I really like it, and the diorama art filter is a hoot (esp in Video mode)!
    The EVFs will only get better and better as more companies come online with non-mirrored interchangeable lens cameras. NMIL. Ad that to the huge list of suggest acronyms for such a camera.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mingjai View Post
    It would be about time if they replaced the G1 with the GH1. ...
    I really hope the offer the GH1 in a body only option and in multiple colors.
    I want a higher end body. Take this:


    Fit it with the mFT lens mount and sensor, fit the G1/GH1 EVF, skin it with magnesium, add video and weathersealing, add IR remote receivers (front and rear), and I'll stand in line at the counter for it.

    (Oh yeah, keep the battery the same as either the Panasonic L1 or G1 models ... I really don't want yet another battery form factor ... and deliver 14/2.8 and 70/2 lenses in addition to what they're doing now. ;-)

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    and a 7-22 lens like that for micro4/3 might be nice too ;-)


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    I'm hard pressed to think of much they can approve about the G1 besides adding video. Sure they can make the incremental sensor improvements. Maybe shorten EVF blackout time and work on the auto ISO implementation. What else??

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    I think they could change the button placement like they've done in the GF1 with the quick menu button now being near your thumb.

    I like the G1 without the speakers on the top of the flash, less on the mode dial and no red button for video. I would not be adverse to another stills only camera.

    External control for the aspect ratio could be interesting if they use the oversize sensor.

    Just like Godfrey, I lust after the return of the LC1/Digilux 2 styled camera. From my perspective even if they simply changed the electronics and still used the same fixed lens and 2/3 sensor I would buy the Digilux 2 all over again. I know it isn't m4/3 but I still lust over that camera.
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    I'd love to see in body image stabilisation - which would be a good move because it would remove one advantage Olympus m4/3ds cameras have over Panasonics.

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    Well, I really wanted to write this:

    I think they should morph the next one into a GF1 like rangefinder. They could call it the G2 (sorry Contax, but your just too slow). They don't really need the pop up flash, so they could put an EVF viewfinder there, keep it the same size as the GF1 and they would have a run away best seller, since that is really what everyone wants . Hell, even a optical viewfinder, with lines that lit up for different focal lengths would be a run away seller.

    The external/slide in finders totally ruin the whole small camera experience, in my opinion, as they make the camera cumbersome and not pocketable.

    It seems like Ricoh, Olympus and Panasonic are dancing around the answer. Leica has a partial answer, but they won't implement live view and they're too expensive and maybe to large. This whole thing makes me think that there are a lot of stupid people in charge at Leica, Panasonic and Olympus, Ricoh, and even Sigma, because they just can't see there nose in front of their face. The answer is a Canon G11 type body, with a larger sensor and interchangeable lenses. There I just spelled it out for them now who will be the first to be smart enough to make it?

    But I figured if I wrote that, than I would sound negative and like a know-it-all and you know how that goes over in these forums, so I'm not going to say anything, but it is an interesting topic, never the less.

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    Holding G1/GH1

    It turns out that I want EVF and swivel LCD. Here is a picture with the GH1 and7-14 which is not really rare for me anymore



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