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    shoot now and create later

    Uwe suggested this thread, so here is the idea.
    You're out shooting and you come across an interesting subject or landscpe, but maybe the lighting isn't quite right. The composition is great, but it's missing something. You may never get back to this spot, so when I shoot, I am looking for a beautiful subject or landscape with the right composition. I still need a great shot, but I'm not too worried about the light or that perfect moment. Usually, what I do with the layering effects will add that special magic to the image. I love to travel and shoot different things and I believe what I shoot and how I shoot it is the most important part of my work, but I always know that this is just the beginning.
    So the idea is to show the stages of an image. Here is the base of my sunflower image. There were many textures and of course retouching too numerous to post.
    Hope this is clear. And any suggestions are welcome.

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    Re: shoot now and create later

    Have to say that the final image above is really stunning! I love how their are sunflowers but with darkness hanging over - kind of 2 things u dont normally expect together, which is why i guess this image has so much impact one me. I really love it!

    I'll try and post my attempts later
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    Re: shoot now and create later

    That's a good one to start with, Mike, because its so dramatic from original image to final one.

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    Re: shoot now and create later

    Mike,

    thanks for starting this thread. We are not the type of photographers that wait for the light to be perfect (whatever this is). As you said it may not even be possible in many cases.

    The main issue we also often have is the boring sky as in your example. Not even sure dramatic clouds would be what we like.

    I always say Blending is like: 1 + 1 = 3.

    I even created a script that makes some operations more simple (like resizing):

    http://www.outbackphoto.com/CONTENT_...ing/index.html

    Sample (blend from two images using our script):







    I nearly always find the blended result more interesting than the original images.

    Mike, your are very good at it. We are at a good start I would say. Lots to explore:

    - Finding Textures
    - New Blending options
    - and more (maybe we learn this in this thead.
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    Re: shoot now and create later

    Thanks everyone for joining in. This should be an interesting thread. So many possibilities. If nothing else, it should help develop everyone's photoshop skills!
    When I started working this way some 15 yrs ago, I learned to start carrying a camera with me everywhere I went to capture possible elements for an image.Skies,foregrounds,textures etc. etc. I wish I was a bit more organized so that I could find all these elements easily, but I find that if I just start working on an image, ideas will start coming forward. I'm not trying for a conceptual image, but for an improvement of a real scene, but with the freedom that a painter has.

    I'll post another image soon.

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    Re: shoot now and create later

    Using the same texture:



    Same base image and different blending:

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    Re: shoot now and create later

    this image is a good example. I was traveling with someone and we came across these trees along the road. It caught my eye, but we were in a hurry, so I had just enough time to jump out of the car and shoot a quick shot.
    I stretched the image and the texture that I added gave a sense of light.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mregnier View Post
    this image is a good example. I was traveling with someone and we came across these trees along the road. It caught my eye, but we were in a hurry, so I had just enough time to jump out of the car and shoot a quick shot.
    I stretched the image and the texture that I added gave a sense of light.

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    Works very well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ustein View Post
    Works very well.
    Thanks Uwe. I think the texture that I used had both light and dark in the random scratches which helps give it a sense of light.

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    Re: shoot now and create later

    Quote Originally Posted by mregnier View Post
    Personally, I find these much more appealing as a diptych than blended together.

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    IR shot



    Result

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    Re: shoot now and create later

    I really like this kind of image "play". I saw this thread last night, decided to try it and went to some early files picked out of lightroom almost at random. I hope you don't mind, this is not 4/3.

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    Re: shoot now and create later

    Quote Originally Posted by ustein View Post


    IR shot



    Result

    Hello Uwe,
    I like the final version. Is the first shot also layered. Quite like that one too as it is a little more abstract since you can't make out what it is that is causing the shadowing effect.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TRSmith View Post
    I really like this kind of image "play". I saw this thread last night, decided to try it and went to some early files picked out of lightroom almost at random. I hope you don't mind, this is not 4/3.
    Very nice, how many images did you use to create this? If you could show the base image that you start with, it would be interesting to see where you went with it.
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    Re: shoot now and create later

    Thanks! I used 3 images and played with the layer blend mode and inverted a couple of them. A long way from where they started! Here are the original three:

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    Quote Originally Posted by mregnier View Post
    Hello Uwe,
    I like the final version. Is the first shot also layered.
    Mike

    Yes it is atexture that is blended from paper, pebbles and ocean sunset.

    I like hte trees and the interesting thing is that it is hard to make an interesting image from the IR shot itself but it is a good pattern IMHO.
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    Both shot in St Augustine, Fl..... the lighthouse was first
    and on the way home, down A1A came the longest line
    of pelicans that I had ever seen. Not a blend but an
    example of a shot made more interesting through addition.



    Again, same morning but the low sun wasn't in the shot
    until I inserted an earlier shot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hodad66 View Post
    Both shot in St Augustin, Fl..... the lighthouse was first
    and on the way home, down A1A came the longest line
    of pelicans that I had ever seen. Not a blend but an
    example of a shot made more interesting through addition.



    Again, same morning but the low sun wasn't in the shot
    until I inserted an earlier shot.
    I loved this you posted it the first time.

    Did you mask the Pelicans. By the way try to blend the lighthouse.
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    Re: shoot now and create later

    The sky was blown out so a simple select / erase
    did the trick. I would say that the line of pelicans
    was, at least, twice the number used in the shot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hodad66 View Post
    The sky was blown out so a simple select / erase
    did the trick. I would say that the line of pelicans
    was, at least, twice the number used in the shot.
    You also needded to mask over the lighthouse, right?
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    [QUOTE=hodad66;171139]Both shot in St Augustine, Fl..... the lighthouse was first
    and on the way home, down A1A came the longest line
    of pelicans that I had ever seen. Not a blend but an
    example of a shot made more interesting through addition.



    Great job of blending. The addition of the Pelicans really makes the composition.

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    Re: shoot now and create later

    actually, as I think back, it might be three images...
    sky, lighthouse, pelicans..... none with a mask...
    simply deleting and layers.....
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    >simply deleting and layers.....

    This would not work for a pelican over the lighthouse :-)
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    Saturn Night River

    Here's a 1+1+1=5 version





    and with a little help from my tablet:


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    Saturn Night River

    Here's a 1+1+1=5 version





    and with a little help from my tablet :


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    Quote Originally Posted by ustein View Post
    >simply deleting and layers.....

    This would not work for a pelican over the lighthouse :-)
    pelicans.... top layer, lighthouse .... middle layer, sky bottom layer

    no blending just normal layers......
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    Re: Saturn Night River

    Quote Originally Posted by m3photo View Post
    Here's a 1+1+1=5 version





    and with a little help from my tablet :

    Very nice shot. I see lots of possible tight crops as well in the reflections in the water. Also, was curious if you looked at it in B&W as well.
    Big leap and improvement from the original 2 stitched shots.

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    Re: shoot now and create later

    My texture blending technique:



    Here is a brief description of the layers and their use (bottom to top):

    * Levels_Master_01: Controls the brightness, black and white point of the background layer
    * HueSat_Master_01: Controls the saturation of the background layer
    * Blending Layer: This layer gets the name of the image used for blending (to help find this image later). The blending mode of this layer is by default to "Multiply". You can change the blending mode but we most often get the best results using Multiply.
    * Blurred Layer: This is a blurred version of the blending layer. The opacity is 50% by default. You can control the blur of the blending by changing the opacity form 0-100%
    * Levels_Master_02: Controls the brightness, black and white point of the blending layer
    * HueSat_Master_02: Controls the saturation of the blending layer
    * GlobalLevels: Allows to tune the brightness, black and white point of the blended result
    * DOP_TextureBlending Group: Tuning the opacity of this group allows to adjust the overall blending strength.

    Of course there are many more options:

    - Add effects
    - Use masks
    - use the script multiple times with different textures

    Our script creates this structure and resizes the texture to match the background layer.
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    Re: shoot now and create later

    Cloud Landing

    main shot


    sky shot from car window about an hour later.


    texture layer


    final composite, with lots of other adjustments.


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    Quote Originally Posted by mregnier View Post
    Cloud Landing


    texture layer


    final composite, with lots of other adjustments.


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    Did you create the texture?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ustein View Post
    Did you create the texture?
    It was made from an 8x10 piece of film in the darkroom which had been scratched on the floor and developed. A friend of mine actually made this. We both were working in the same style with film and we would share textures and then combine textures as well.
    It's much easier to make texture these days with a scanner and computer to layer different textures together.

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    Huh... I was never interested in blends and what not, but I am quite taken by some of the examples here. Now that I live far away from my favorite subjects and don't get to visit them regularly I might have to give this a try to keep the creative juices flowing as it were. Thanks for posting!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mregnier View Post
    Very nice shot. I see lots of possible tight crops as well in the reflections in the water. Also, was curious if you looked at it in B&W as well.
    Big leap and improvement from the original 2 stitched shots.

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    Thanks Boss

    I sometimes see the need to convert some of my individual texture files to B&W but this image works better with colour.

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    Re: shoot now and create later

    Uwe, I very much like your blends! Do you shoot the texture as well or do you get it from a database?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rawfa View Post
    Uwe, I very much like your blends! Do you shoot the texture as well or do you get it from a database?
    All textures are custom. There is only one texture where I used a stock texture (paper) and then made my own (again through blending of course ).

    Have now to wade through 60K of images to find more textures. My process is described in this thead. Good for us that we always liked to photograph textures. Also my textures are all between 6-21MP.
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    Re: shoot now and create later

    shot this photo out of the car window driving thru France. I wasn't the one driving!



    and here is a texture that I used



    and here is the final with lots of retouching.



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    wow this is cool love the tutorial screen shots!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by viablex1 View Post
    wow this is cool love the tutorial screen shots!!
    thanks. I find it interesting to see how everyone is working with their images.
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    Re: shoot now and create later

    Mike - I love the poppy shot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mregnier View Post
    shot this photo out of the car window driving thru France. I wasn't the one driving!



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    Poppy shot is great. What blending mode are you using?
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    Re: shoot now and create later

    Thanks Keith and Uwe.
    As for blending modes, I usually use overlay or soft. This one was overlay. I like the punch that overlay gives.

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    The poppy image was one of my favorites on your site. I'm glad you shared your technique with us. Thanks.

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    Thanks Keith and Uwe.
    As for blending modes, I usually use overlay or soft. This one was overlay. I like the punch that overlay gives.

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    Mike,

    interesting because I used so far only "Multiply". But liking your images so much I tried Overlay with my script. It turns out that I can get the same effect in both cases, just have to use different sliders. Overall "Overlay" seems to give me more latitude.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ustein View Post
    Mike,

    interesting because I used so far only "Multiply". But liking your images so much I tried Overlay with my script. It turns out that I can get the same effect in both cases, just have to use different sliders. Overall "Overlay" seems to give me more latitude.
    I agree. Overlay adds punch to the image which can be toned down by the opacity slider and I use soft if I want the texture to be subtle. Sometimes, I even duplicate the texture layer and use one layer as soft and the other as overlay with different opacity. Not sure why I do this. I just go with the flow of the image.

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    Mike - I love the poppy shot.

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    Thank you Keith. This has always been one of my favorites. It is on my websites home page along side a version my wife Andrea did of her interpretation of my image.
    Here is the link. http://www.regnierstudio.com
    We are thinking of doing a show with our images hanging side by side. Her version of my image. Could be interesting.

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    Pano from Retz / Austria - sunny winter day last week

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    Quote Originally Posted by mregnier View Post
    Thank you Keith. This has always been one of my favorites. It is on my websites home page along side a version my wife Andrea did of her interpretation of my image.
    Here is the link. http://www.regnierstudio.com
    We are thinking of doing a show with our images hanging side by side. Her version of my image. Could be interesting.

    Mke
    I didn't say anything about this when I saw it, but I wondered about the back and forth interaction and influence between the two of you. It would be difficult for this not to occur to some degree since you are both visual artists living and working in close proximity. I think the show would be very interesting.

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    Mike, thank you for starting this thread.
    I have visited it a couple of times. These images aren't my style at all, but they have inspired me and some day I'll have to try something similar.
    Thanks also all contributors, you have made me look and think and admire!

    /Jonas

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    Re: shoot now and create later

    Quote Originally Posted by Jonas View Post
    Mike, thank you for starting this thread.
    I have visited it a couple of times. These images aren't my style at all, but they have inspired me and some day I'll have to try something similar.
    Thanks also all contributors, you have made me look and think and admire!

    /Jonas
    Thanks Jonas and to Uwe again. He suggested this idea. I realize that it's not a normal way of working for most, but I know we have all had shooting moments when we wish we could change something about the scene etc. etc.
    For me, it frees me of the anxiety or pressure of getting everything right in one shot. I had enough of that in the beginning of my career working with film.

    Mike

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    Re: shoot now and create later

    Quote Originally Posted by mregnier View Post
    Cloud Landing

    final composite, with lots of other adjustments.


    Mike
    Hi Mike,

    Great image as always! All the best, Leica 77.

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