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    G1 with (older) German lenses

    I could not find a thread with German lenses, so here it is. Sice I have quite a few, I might as well show some examples. It is an absolute mix of subjects.

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    Isco-Göttingen Berolina-Westromat 35/2.8


    Zeiss Biotar 58/2


    Leica Elmarit 90/2.8


    Leica Elmarit 135/2.8


    Leica APO Telyt 180/3.4

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    Wait a minute....you canta fool me....there is no santity clause --> the APO Telyt 180 is a Canadian lens.

    I love mine, very sharp wide open, but I don't have any m43rds picture from it yet.

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    Michiel,

    I love the brave soul biking on the pond Are the top two photos wide-open?

    Do you have any experience with Steinheil Munchen lenses? I've recently acquired an Auto-D-Tele-Quinar 135/2.8 and an Auto-Quinon 55/1.9 (both Exakta mounts). Just waiting for an adapter

    Cheers!
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    Robot Schneider-Kreuznach 40MM F1.9

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    Quote Originally Posted by Winkel View Post
    Michiel,

    I love the brave soul biking on the pond Are the top two photos wide-open?

    Do you have any experience with Steinheil Munchen lenses? I've recently acquired an Auto-D-Tele-Quinar 135/2.8 and an Auto-Quinon 55/1.9 (both Exakta mounts). Just waiting for an adapter

    Cheers!
    Jim
    Hi Jim,

    Good to hear from you. Hope all is well.

    Just came across the Auto-D-Tele-Quinar 135/2.8 the other day on the forum MFlenses. It was some peoples favoroute 135 mm lens. You can find nice examples on flickr etc. If you did not pay to much you want regret it. They are so solid and often have great bokeh. In general Steinheil lenses are better then Enna and Isco-Göttingen.
    Post some examples if you have them.
    All the best, Michiel

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    Quote Originally Posted by Winkel View Post
    Michiel,

    I love the brave soul biking on the pond Are the top two photos wide-open?

    Do you have any experience with Steinheil Munchen lenses? I've recently acquired an Auto-D-Tele-Quinar 135/2.8 and an Auto-Quinon 55/1.9 (both Exakta mounts). Just waiting for an adapter

    Cheers!
    Jim
    Forgot your other question. I think the top 2 are wide open. That Isco lens has a very strange bokeh. I like it a lot.
    Michiel

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doug Morgan View Post
    Wait a minute....you canta fool me....there is no santity clause --> the APO Telyt 180 is a Canadian lens.

    I love mine, very sharp wide open, but I don't have any m43rds picture from it yet.

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    You are right they are manufactured in Canada, but they didn't design them though. This is a dubious case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hakkalo View Post
    Robot Schneider-Kreuznach 40MM F1.9
    Hello hakkalo,

    Thanks for posting.
    What mount have the robotlenses? If I remember well, you can find them at cameraquest.com.
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    Here are some more.

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    Tele-Ennalyt 135/3.5


    Meyer Orestor 100/2.8


    Meyer Orestor 135/2.8


    Meyer Orestor 200/4


    Meyer Lydith 35/3.5


    Meyer Orestor 300/4

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    Quote Originally Posted by Michiel Schierbeek View Post
    Hi Jim,

    Good to hear from you. Hope all is well.

    Just came across the Auto-D-Tele-Quinar 135/2.8 the other day on the forum MFlenses. It was some peoples favoroute 135 mm lens. You can find nice examples on flickr etc. If you did not pay to much you want regret it. They are so solid and often have great bokeh. In general Steinheil lenses are better then Enna and Isco-Göttingen.
    Post some examples if you have them.
    All the best, Michiel
    Hi Michiel,

    All is well - Just waiting the baby to arrive as it's a few days overdue

    The Steinheil lenses were pulled from your brother-in-law's closet and I was allowed to "borrow" them I had to perform an extensive cleaning of the front/rear elements and add a bit of grease to the focus rings so they feel and look better (though still not perfect). I'll do a little research at MFlenses - they sound very promising.

    And, of course, I'll post some examples once the adapter arrives.

    I hope all is well with you and your family

    Regards,
    Jim

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    Kilfitt Macro Kilar 90mm/2.8



    Carl Zeiss Jena Pancolar 50mm/2.0



    Leitz Macro Elmarit 60mm/2.8



    Carl Zeiss Jena Flektogon 35mm/2.4



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    Hello Peter,
    These are great. I especially like the Pancolour one. Very nice composition, colours and detail.
    Did you use it reversed?
    Always wanted to have one, but never got t it.

    Kind regards, Michiel

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    Quote Originally Posted by Michiel Schierbeek View Post
    Hello Peter,
    These are great. I especially like the Pancolour one. Very nice composition, colours and detail.
    Thank you Michiel.

    Did you use it reversed?
    It was useed in normal position.

    Always wanted to have one, but never got t it.
    I found it on German ebay, with an old Exa body. I was the only bidder and got it quite cheap. Probably nobody looked at the details of the offer. BTW, I saw again various today. Search for Pancolar on ebay.de . They seem to be very good values, but go for the older 2.0, they are better than the newer 1.8

    Kind regards,
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    Pentacon 50/1.8


    Schneider Xenon 50/2.8


    Carl Zeiss Planar 50/1.7


    Carl Zeiss Sonnar 135.3.5


    Carl Zeiss Sonnar 180/2.8

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    Re: G1 with (older) German lenses

    Michiel inspired me to take my Leitz Summarex 85 f/1.5 and G1 with me on my morning walk today. My Summarex is 52 years old.


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    The APO Telyt-R 180/3.4 is a great lens. It works better than most FF lenses together with our high pixel density sensors. (But I think I read somewhere it was developed in Canada, not only manufactured there...)

    I love your busy harbour images Michiel.

    regards,

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    Cindy, always like your Summarex images. The OOF areas are so special. Must be great for portraits too.
    Michiel

    Thank you Jonas, I hope you don't mind I will not start a Canadian lens thread, because I don't own any other.
    Greetings, Michiel

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    A few shots from my Zeiss Planar 85/1.4 T* (likely stopped down to F2) and Zeiss S-Planar 60/2.8 Makro T* (wide open). The 85mm is a bit soft wide open but sharpens nicely at F2. The 60mm Makro is beautiful throughout.

    Enjoy,
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cindy Flood View Post
    My Summarex is 52 years old.
    And still going strong, Cindy. I like the subdued colors and OOF rendition.
    Cheers
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    Quote Originally Posted by Winkel View Post
    A few shots from my Zeiss Planar 85/1.4 T* (likely stopped down to F2) and Zeiss S-Planar 60/2.8 Makro T* (wide open). The 85mm is a bit soft wide open but sharpens nicely at F2. The 60mm Makro is beautiful throughout.

    Enjoy,
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    Nice ones Jim.
    Who is that beautifull lady?
    Send me a mail, you know when.

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    Leica M 50mm F2

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    Hello hakkalo,

    Thanks for posting.
    What mount have the robotlenses? If I remember well, you can find them at cameraquest.com.
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    It is screwed, but I've modified in order to fix M25 mount.

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    These parakeets survive the winters and are slowly taking over the bird population in the parks.

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    G1 + Enna Tele-Ennalyt 135/3.5

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    Two from today, made in the Amsterdam harbour, with Pentacon 200/4. It was a hazy day. This made the images quiet soft.

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    I recently got an older chrome Sonnar 150/4 in M42 mount and happend to have it with me when I was driving by Waikiki this afternoon. First time with the lens, and I learned that 150mm handheld is a challenge and that this lens can be sharper than these pictures show. ... Also learned not to buy any A-data SD cards anymore, mine died after a few dozen pictures and only formatting helped Just some minimal changes in Lightroom, still trying to understand the program better.











    (sorry, no girls in bikinis today, they all came out unsharp )

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    Quote Originally Posted by apicius9 View Post
    I recently got an older chrome Sonnar 150/4 in M42 mount and happend to have it with me when I was driving by Waikiki this afternoon. First time with the lens, and I learned that 150mm handheld is a challenge and that this lens can be sharper than these pictures show. ... Also learned not to buy any A-data SD cards anymore, mine died after a few dozen pictures and only formatting helped Just some minimal changes in Lightroom, still trying to understand the program better.

    (sorry, no girls in bikinis today, they all came out unsharp )

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    Looks nice! Thought this was a Hasselblad lens. M42 ?

    Cheers, Michiel

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    Quote Originally Posted by Michiel Schierbeek View Post
    Looks nice! Thought this was a Hasselblad lens. M42 ?

    Cheers, Michiel
    Oops, not sure what I was thinking. Of course, it's a 135/4. I had taken it out yesterday to compare it to my 1938 Leitz Hektor but the dying card prevented that.

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    A vintage German lens

    Hugo Meyer & Co. Goerlitiz 120mm F6 Euryplan


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    Re: G1 with (older) German lenses

    I'm unable to mount my two Steinheil Munchen lenses on the E-520 - Contact is made between the front overhang and the stopdown switch. I recently picked up the E-PL1 and can finally enjoy these two lenses.

    A shot of the smaller observatory in Ottawa's Experimental Farm using the E-PL1 and Steinheil Munchen Auto-D-Tele-Quinar 135/2.8:



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    I reckon I'm the first one to use this lens on digital

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    Quote Originally Posted by Winkel View Post
    I'm unable to mount my two Steinheil Munchen lenses on the E-520 - Contact is made between the front overhang and the stopdown switch. I recently picked up the E-PL1 and can finally enjoy these two lenses.

    A shot of the smaller observatory in Ottawa's Experimental Farm using the E-PL1 and Steinheil Munchen Auto-D-Tele-Quinar 135/2.8:



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    HI Jim,

    Did not see this shot. Very nice! Looks very sharp too. How is the bokeh wide open? Just curious.

    Michiel

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    Here are some more blossem shots with the Isco-Göttingen 35/2.8 Did show 2 with this lens in the bokehthread.

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    Re: G1 with (older) German lenses

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    Here are some more blossem shots with the Isco-Göttingen 35/2.8 Did show 2 with this lens in the bokehthread.
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    Hi Michiel,
    Your Isco-Göttingen 35/2.8 lens really produces distinctly fine bokeh! I will look into getting one of these older German lenses. All the best, Leica 77.

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    HI Jim,

    Did not see this shot. Very nice! Looks very sharp too. How is the bokeh wide open? Just curious.

    Michiel
    Hi Michiel!

    Your blossom shots look great - lots of personality with that lens.

    The observatory image was stopped down to f4 or so... and it's quite nice wide open too (slightly better than my Komine built Vivitar 2.8/135).

    Well, you gave me an excuse to get out and snap some wide-open images for you. Here are some more from the Central Experimental Farm's Arboretum shot with the Steinheil Munchen Auto-D-Tele-Quinar 2.8/135 at f2.8... not particularly great compositions but taken to demonstrate the bokeh of complex and simple backgrounds. :









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    Sure looks nice, Jim, very smooth and it looks like it focusses quiet close.

    All the best, Michiel

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    Three more blossoms with three different lenses.
    Cheers,
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    G1+ Isco-Göttingen 135/3.5


    G1+Meyer Lydith 30/3.5


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    I do like that Isco-Göttingen 35/2.8. Great shots with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by abry View Post
    I do like that Isco-Göttingen 35/2.8. Great shots with it.
    Thanks Abry,

    This one was with the longer 135 which is a little long for fine bokeh and it is less sharp as the 35 Isco, but I liked this one too.

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    Schneider Cinegon 16mm F1.4

    Astro Macro Gauss Tachar 40mm F2

    Hugo Meyer Kino Plasmat 25mm F1.5

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    Astro Macro Gauss Tachar 40mm F2

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    Very nice photographs Arri !
    Quiet a set of exotic lenses you are showing lately.
    Would like to see more of the Astro Macro Gauss Tachar 40mm F2.

    Best, Michiel

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    [QUOTE=Michiel Schierbeek;237145]

    Very nice photographs Arri !
    Quiet a set of exotic lenses you are showing lately.
    Would like to see more of the Astro Macro Gauss Tachar 40mm F2.

    Best, Michiel
    Hi Michiel,
    the astro lens is not mine anymore, I feel it were too heavy and too large for the G1, I made only a handful of pictures with it and I don´t find them really good, the lens has a lot of internal reflexions, it is only single coated, and so it makes big problems with the M4/3 sensor, maybe it is a better choice for the APSc sensor size of the Sony NEX or Samsung NX10.

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    I was just curious because of the outrageous prices on E-bay for these Astro Tachar lenses and I thought the contrast in sharpness and the OOF area was interesting.
    They all look rather heavy indeed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Winkel View Post
    Michiel,

    I love the brave soul biking on the pond Are the top two photos wide-open?

    Do you have any experience with Steinheil Munchen lenses? I've recently acquired an Auto-D-Tele-Quinar 135/2.8 and an Auto-Quinon 55/1.9 (both Exakta mounts). Just waiting for an adapter

    Cheers!
    Jim
    Hi, Don here from eastwestphoto.net,
    I used a Steinheil Tele-Quinar 135mm F:2.8 m42 mount in 1965~66 as yearbook Photo editor for my high school. I took thousands of photos processed in Microdol, rodinal and diafine all in B&W. What I rememeber the most was the amazing sharpness of the negatives and the fine printing I did on a Leitz focomat enlarger with those negatives. I could crop 25x with no problems. Somewhere in 1982 I sold the lens for peanuts when I switched back to Nikon gear. m42 thread gear was dead in the water in those days and my old Pentax H1a was not working.
    Today I recieved in the mail from a eBay seller that exact same lens back again, in mint condition. Better than the one I sold back in 1982. I tightened some tiny loose collar screws and the helicoil was as smooth as silk! The optics were prestine, stunning, the A & M switch working and the bladed aperature oil free and working well. Well, where's my adapter and away I go! I mounted it on my test camera Lumix G-1 m4/3 rd's. The lens shade installed, the photos were unbelieveable! Just like I remembered as a kid, sharp as hell, great contrast. Look I have tested close too 250 lenses from the quality days of 1936~1978 on my G-1 and this lens is the equal of the best of the best!
    I couldnt be happier, my G-1 loved the lens in weight and size and the chip performed well such that at 16x the image was still sharp! I still contend that the smallest best lens I tested was the Kodak Cine Ektar 40mm F:1.6 S type on a Cmt. adapter to m4/3 rd's and the Leica summicron-C 40mm F:2 was a stunning small lens also. Overall I rate the 16mm movie cameras lenses, best in the photo world, especially angenieux 25mm F:0.95, but the word is out on those lenses and they command small fortunes these days on ebay. Kino & plasmats are wonderful also.
    As a shooter @ 270mm F:2.8 this lens will join my stable of fine concert lenses, when I am stuck in the cheap seats! The G-1 is a solid performer with stage lighting and even a cheap 500mm mirror lens @ 1000mm F:8 performs miracles from the very back of a giant arena! I love the G-1, love the adapting craze, I helped create on ebay and love experimenting. Now my loved Steinheil is home too stay for the rest of my life anyway. Regards, Don

    ps. check out exakta jacks steinheil page, he has photos of all the exakta steinheil lenses and data!

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    Don,
    Glad to see you reunited with an old friend!

    Welcome to the Forum too!

    The 500mm mirror on m4/3 is a winner combo, even at F8! I prefer the IBIS of an ep-1 tho'.

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    Hi, Don here from eastwestphoto.net,
    I used a Steinheil Tele-Quinar 135mm F:2.8 m42 mount in 1965~66 as yearbook Photo editor for my high school. I took thousands of photos processed in Microdol, rodinal and diafine all in B&W. What I rememeber the most was the amazing sharpness of the negatives and the fine printing I did on a Leitz focomat enlarger with those negatives. I could crop 25x with no problems. Somewhere in 1982 I sold the lens for peanuts when I switched back to Nikon gear. m42 thread gear was dead in the water in those days and my old Pentax H1a was not working.
    Today I recieved in the mail from a eBay seller that exact same lens back again, in mint condition. Better than the one I sold back in 1982. I tightened some tiny loose collar screws and the helicoil was as smooth as silk! The optics were prestine, stunning, the A & M switch working and the bladed aperature oil free and working well. Well, where's my adapter and away I go! I mounted it on my test camera Lumix G-1 m4/3 rd's. The lens shade installed, the photos were unbelieveable! Just like I remembered as a kid, sharp as hell, great contrast. Look I have tested close too 250 lenses from the quality days of 1936~1978 on my G-1 and this lens is the equal of the best of the best!
    I couldnt be happier, my G-1 loved the lens in weight and size and the chip performed well such that at 16x the image was still sharp! I still contend that the smallest best lens I tested was the Kodak Cine Ektar 40mm F:1.6 S type on a Cmt. adapter to m4/3 rd's and the Leica summicron-C 40mm F:2 was a stunning small lens also. Overall I rate the 16mm movie cameras lenses, best in the photo world, especially angenieux 25mm F:0.95, but the word is out on those lenses and they command small fortunes these days on ebay. Kino & plasmats are wonderful also.
    As a shooter @ 270mm F:2.8 this lens will join my stable of fine concert lenses, when I am stuck in the cheap seats! The G-1 is a solid performer with stage lighting and even a cheap 500mm mirror lens @ 1000mm F:8 performs miracles from the very back of a giant arena! I love the G-1, love the adapting craze, I helped create on ebay and love experimenting. Now my loved Steinheil is home too stay for the rest of my life anyway. Regards, Don

    ps. check out exakta jacks steinheil page, he has photos of all the exakta steinheil lenses and data!
    Hello Don,

    This is a nice story with a lot of history to it.
    Sorry it is a little late answer but I sort of forgot about this thread.
    It sure is a lot of fun giving those old lenses a new life, although to many people know about it by now
    Do you know if there is a any difference in quality between the silver Steinheil München Auto-Tele-QUINAR 2.8/135 in Exakta mount or the Zebra version in M42 mount?
    Those are a bit more reasonable priced these days.
    According to Captain Jack it exist as Steinheil Muenchen Auto-D-Tele-QUINAR 2.8/135 in Exakta mount and seems to be rare and of a later make.

    I sure would like to see some photos with your lens!

    Michiel


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    Winkel, those are some stunning results with the Zeiss Planar lenses. Bitingly sharp. Pity they're so pricey!

    I'm very impressed with the Pentacon and Meyer Orestor 135mm also. I'm not familiar with the Meyer. Out of curiosity, what sort of vintage is it, and what type of lens mount does it have?

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    Re: G1 with (older) German lenses

    Thanks Tribal-Warrior. I managed to pickup three Zeiss lenses with a Contax RTS III for an incredible deal... still pricey but I sold the 25mm to recover about 60% of the cost. The right place at the right time scenario.

    The 85mm and 60mm are among my most used as they're quite sharp and exude quality when handling them. If you search a bit here you'll find that other members seem to be very happy with Nikkor equivalents and they're cheaper too

    Cheers,
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