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    m4/3 weakness: Fast midrange zooms

    I like the Olympus 4/3 14-54mm f/2.8-3.5 lens a lot.

    - very useful range
    - quite fast
    - good optics
    - not too big for m4/3 bodies

    But:

    - a m4/3 version could be smaller
    - IS only available with the E-P1/P2 sensor IS
    - means no IS on the G1/GH1

    I own a E-P1 but want an EVF. Just buying an E-P2 to use this lens seems a lot of money.
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    Re: m4/3 weakness: Fast midrange zooms

    This is one lens that I've been saying it would be a great addition to the m4/3 collection. Maybe sigma could get onboard at once with a 14-38mm constant f2.8 too (similar to their 18-50mm constant f2.8).

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    Re: m4/3 weakness: Fast midrange zooms

    m4/3 weakness: Fast midrange zooms
    Yup, that is what is sorely missing. One more zoom.

    Even if they make an f/2 constant aperture zoom, it will still be slow on an m4/3rds body. It will never match the focus speed of a similarly apertured zoom
    on a 4/3rds cam.

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    Re: m4/3 weakness: Fast midrange zooms

    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    Yup, that is what is sorely missing. One more zoom.
    +1

    While we're at it, why not list a few more m4/3 weaknesses:
    * lack of fast super-wide zooms
    * lack of fast wide zooms
    * lack of fast tele zooms
    * lack of fast super-tele zooms.

    Far better to address those deficiencies, than to worry about any more prime lenses. Since clearly no-one would be silly enough to waste money on lenses like this:
    * 12/14mm f/2
    * 17/18mm f/1.4
    * 40/42/45mm f/1.4
    * 58/60mm f/1.7.

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    Re: m4/3 weakness: Fast midrange zooms

    I would love to see a compact 16-40 f/2.8 constant aperture zoom in MFT with internal focusing. It isn't going to happen but I would like one thank you.

    Also a 25-100 f/2.8-4 would be a nice compromise between speed and size.

    Add to the kit a 14mm f/2, 25mm f/1.4 and 50mm f/1.7, then to finish off the kit with a 50-250 f/2.8-4 and a 10mm f/2.8.

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    Re: m4/3 weakness: Fast midrange zooms

    Vivek, Jonathon... behave!

    I agree, by the way - give me tiny fast primes instead of big slow zooms

    ...at least for the Pen form factor - the G1/GH1 form factor can take the bigger zooms fine... but there's the E-620 and ZD 12-60 for that.

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    Re: m4/3 weakness: Fast midrange zooms

    I don't understand why everything is 14mm. The kit zooms and now the new Panasonic 14/2.8. I want 12mm (or even wider). I know from my FF experiences that 24mm is wide enough for me, and I don't want to be forced to buy a lens like 7-14 just to get those two extra mm. Preferable a 10 or 12mm f/2 (or faster) prime.

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    Re: m4/3 weakness: Fast midrange zooms

    6mm f/1.2. With complete manual option. "Fly by wire" could be optional.

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    Re: m4/3 weakness: Fast midrange zooms

    Quote Originally Posted by Helena View Post
    I don't understand why everything is 14mm. ...
    and I don't want to be forced to buy a lens like 7-14 just to get those two extra mm.
    Preferable a 10 or 12mm f/2 (or faster) prime.
    I will second all of these points and double second the last one.

    As I have said many times, given that I have a C-mount 12.5mm f1.3mm lens I just can't see why there can't be a reasonable 10~12mm prime. Heck the amount of movement required by the lens assembly would make the focus mechanism found in the Oly 17mm lens workable.

    ohh ... and don't give me prices like 1000 euro for that either. CCTV lenses (new) are less than that, so why do we have to pay through the nose?

    If Panasonic / Olympus really want this to work (micro 4/3) give the APS DSLR's something to really worry about.

    I also wouldn't mind something in the 50mm size with AF too ... again primes not zooms thanks. I like my micro 4/3 to be micro, not obese



    so no porky lenses like the Canon above please ... if they're that fat then I'll just go grab my self a 5D

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    Re: m4/3 weakness: Fast midrange zooms

    Quote Originally Posted by pellicle View Post
    I will second all of these points and double second the last one.

    As I have said many times, given that I have a C-mount 12.5mm f1.3mm lens I just can't see why there can't be a reasonable 10~12mm prime. Heck the amount of movement required by the lens assembly would make the focus mechanism found in the Oly 17mm lens workable.

    ohh ... and don't give me prices like 1000 euro for that either. CCTV lenses (new) are less than that, so why do we have to pay through the nose?

    If Panasonic / Olympus really want this to work (micro 4/3) give the APS DSLR's something to really worry about.

    I also wouldn't mind something in the 50mm size with AF too ... again primes not zooms thanks. I like my micro 4/3 to be micro, not obese



    so no porky lenses like the Canon above please ... if they're that fat then I'll just go grab my self a 5D
    On a side note, slightly off topic, Its funny looking at that Canon lense, the Panasonic 14-140mm is not too much bigger than that 14-45 - coke can size-ish, shows how much size is saved on m4/3rds lens wise

    Remember its only early days for m4/3rds so although the format has some weaknesses it'll definately get better. I hope we'll get sigmas/tamrons and a few more panasonic leicas in the future ;-) more makers would mean lower prices because of competition

    Cant wait for the end of Jan/feb - fingers crossed we'll get some interesting announcements

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    Re: m4/3 weakness: Fast midrange zooms

    On the topic of fast mid range zooms I saw this article at 43rumours (look at the "GH2 rumoured kit lenses":

    All this informations are from a new source. Keep it in mind! We can’t guarantee the infos are true ok?

    UPDATE: we made a first check and we are not convinced the rumor could become true. We are still waiting for some info from known sources.

    That’s what I received right now:

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    “Panasonic will announce following MicroFourThirds products at PMA

    —————————————————————————————————————————————-

    LENSES

    14mm/F2.8(more compact than 20mm/F1.7),

    8mm/F3.5 FishEye

    —————————————————————————————————————————————-

    CAMERAS

    G1/GH1 replacement model. G2 and GH2 are differentiated by image sensor and kit lenses. G2 have similar image sensor of GH1. GH2 will have new desingned image sensor. Other specs will be almost same.

    ———————————-

    GH2
    ~14MP LiveMOS supports 1080/60p(up to 24Mbps) AVCHD movie, global shutter, multiple-aspect.
    ~EVF:360Hz;RGBx120Hz SXGA(target), which can tilt forward&backward
    ~LCD(vari-angle):960xRGBx540 guarterFullHD(HITACHI Displays, a affiliate company of Panasonic)
    ~AF will get a little bit more faster, SDXC, HDMI real-time output, Bluetooth3.0(target)
    ~colors:GRAPHITE BLACK, TITANIUM, MIDNIGHT BLUE VIOLET
    ~kit:14-140mm/F4.0-5.6 HD OIS, 12-75mm/F2.5-3.3 HD OIS(target)

    G2
    ~14MP LiveMOS supports 1080/60p(up to 24Mbps) AVCHD movie, global shutter, multiple-aspect.
    ~EVF:360Hz;RGBx120Hz SXGA(target), fixed
    ~LCD(vari-angle):960xRGBx540 quarterFullHD(HITACHI Displays, a affiliate company of Panasonic)
    ~AF will get a little bit more faster, SDXC, Bluetooth3.0(target)
    ~built-in stereo microphone
    ~colors:URBAN RED, EXTRA BLACK, CORAL GOLD
    ~kit:14-45mm/F3.5-5.6 OIS, 45-200mm/F4.0-5.6 OIS, 14mm/F2.8”

    —-

    Once again. We don’t know the source. But we had to post such a nice rumor even if there is a good chance that it isn’t true

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    Re: m4/3 weakness: Fast midrange zooms

    >12-75mm/F2.5-3.3 HD OIS(target)

    Then we would be talking.
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    12-75mm/F2.5-3.3 HD OIS(target)

    Very nice!

    Of course it will only be bundled with the GH2 body for $1500.

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    Re: m4/3 weakness: Fast midrange zooms

    GH2, OK. Should make video shooting a joy, I would gather.

    If any such zoom gets bundled with a G2, that would be a problem.

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    Re: m4/3 weakness: Fast midrange zooms

    Quote Originally Posted by monza View Post

    Of course it will only be bundled with the GH2 body for $1500.
    I hope Panasonic sells now body only.
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    Re: m4/3 weakness: Fast midrange zooms

    Quote Originally Posted by monza View Post
    12-75mm/F2.5-3.3 HD OIS(target)

    Very nice!

    Of course it will only be bundled with the GH2 body for $1500.
    That maybe okay i would still go for it. I have the 14-140 now and it's nice but having a 12mm in the mix is much better not to mention faster
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    Re: m4/3 weakness: Fast midrange zooms

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    That maybe okay i would still go for it. I have the 14-140 now and it's nice but having a 12mm in the mix is much better not to mention faster
    Faster would be key to me and alsothere could be better contrast with the 14-140mm lens. Always like the results from the 4/3 14-54mm.
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    Re: m4/3 weakness: Fast midrange zooms

    Okay---all of the above has convinced me to sit tight with what I have (which covers 9mm -200mm with some reasonably faster options in there) and wait this time before realigning my lens lineup LOL.

    Diane

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    Re: m4/3 weakness: Fast midrange zooms

    Quote Originally Posted by Diane B View Post
    Okay---all of the above has convinced me to sit tight with what I have (which covers 9mm -200mm with some reasonably faster options in there) and wait this time before realigning my lens lineup LOL.

    Diane
    i agree Diane, I was thinking of getting myself an E-P2 and the 20mm, but with all the rumours of new cameras and lenses which may be announced or released soon, I'm going to hang on to my money just in case I end up regretting it in about a months time

    also the singapore Panasonic site counter reaches zero on the 31st Jan, hopefully they'll be some announcements then

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    Re: m4/3 weakness: Fast midrange zooms

    In the interests of keeping size & weight under control.

    12-35 f/2.8
    17-50 f/2.8
    35-105 f/2.8-3.5
    50-150 f/4
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    Re: m4/3 weakness: Fast midrange zooms

    Quote Originally Posted by JBurnett View Post
    In the interests of keeping size & weight under control.

    12-35 f/2.8
    17-50 f/2.8
    35-105 f/2.8-3.5
    50-150 f/4
    That is a wish list, right?
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    Re: m4/3 weakness: Fast midrange zooms

    Quote Originally Posted by JBurnett View Post
    In the interests of keeping size & weight under control.

    12-35 f/2.8
    17-50 f/2.8
    35-105 f/2.8-3.5
    50-150 f/4
    Your first option would be my walkaround and I'd add the 20 f/1.7 and be happy almost all the time LOL. When I travel with the 5D I often carry the Tamron 28-75 f/2.8 (I have owned the really nice 24-70L for years and have carried it many times, but just got tired of the size/weight and have loved the Tammy as an alternative), add the 50 f/1.4--and maybe a wide option (I have too many, but usually the 12-24) so I can see a fastish zoom (if they can keep it reasonably small/light--otherwise I'll carry primes) with the 20 and be happy for travel.

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    Re: m4/3 weakness: Fast midrange zooms

    Well, I was thinking that the primary weakness of m4/3 was that it was missing a decent fast telephoto prime. I really wish Olympus or Panasonic would make a 100 f/2.8 or a 200 f/2.8. The real promise of m4/3 was the reduction in lens size. The Panasonic 45-200 and the to be released 100-300 are both f/4-5.6 which is not that fast.

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    Re: m4/3 weakness: Fast midrange zooms

    Quote Originally Posted by ustein View Post
    That is a wish list, right?
    I started out by thinking about compromises. Fast is important, but if the size and weight get too high, it would defeat the purpose of m4/3 IMO. After all, one can adapt the superb Olympus 12-60 f/2.8-4 to m4/3 right now, but it's a large, heavy solution (more than 650g with adapter). For me, the 45-200 size/weight would be about the upper limit that I'd be looking for. So I thought "what if you limited the zoom to 3X"? Sure, it's a compromise. However, some of the most revered full-frame zooms have been in similar ranges:

    12-35: 24-70mm
    17-50: 35-105mm (an older, but much-used standard)
    35-105: 70-200mm

    Along the same lines as your Oly 14-54 thoughts -- if there was a 14-45mm f/2.8 constant aperture lens that was, say, just a little smaller than the 45-200, would anyone bite?
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    Re: m4/3 weakness: Fast midrange zooms

    >superb Olympus 12-60 f/2.8-4 to m4/3

    Is a very good zoom but slightly to heavy for m4/3. That is why I like the 14-54mm. Too bad that there is no IS on hte G1/GH1.
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